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I don’t have time for a full log so just an update on my Trest Ace run. To sum it up, I haven’t really been impressed.

150mg test cyp week (trt)
75mgtrest eod
60mg tbol
100mg proviron
Arimidex
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On 6th week of Trest. Just stopped
The tbol started a week before Trest.Started at 205. Made it up to 214 lbs before dropping tbol. Now down to 211. So I’ve gained some weight but really haven’t had the great feeling of being on, strength hasn’t really increased, sex drive May be slightly elevated but hard to tell because I already have a high sex drive and sex everyday with the wifey. Pumps are decent though. Checked estrogen 2 weeks ago and was 24.1 so that’s great no issues there.

Any thoughts on upping test a little? I just switched to 50mg everyday of Trest to increase my total weekly mg to 350 from 225.

Side note is I plan on being On cycle for a long time. After 12 weeks of Trest I’m switching over to 850 test cyp and 300 primo.
 
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which trest? ace, or? and if i may?? what brand?
 
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i personally like trest ace early and a slower trest to run at length. the thing i find about trest is its hard to eat enough because of the bloat... and its only second to tren for fatloss so... you may have burnt of some extra fat and thus are not too shocked by a huge increase in weight. those two reasons combined could be your issue too. or not.. but yea i also see the best from trest in the 350 + range too.
 
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Trest Ace. Sorry I left that out.
Brand is “I know a guy” Other people on here run it so I’m not concerned much with quality.
And yeah the bloat struggle is real. It is hard to eat a lot because of the bloat. Sometimes I feel like I have a keg in my belly. I do find that taking a gas x pill right before I eat helps with bloat some but still a struggle
 
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Trest Ace. Sorry I left that out.
Brand is “I know a guy” Other people on here run it so I’m not concerned much with quality.
And yeah the bloat struggle is real. It is hard to eat a lot because of the bloat. Sometimes I feel like I have a keg in my belly. I do find that taking a gas x pill right before I eat helps with bloat some but still a struggle
I have no idea what brand your talking about - so I'm not trying to slander anyones name here. But ANY brand can have a bad batch...sometimes they even get bad raws and it just takes a minute for them to figure it out. If it's not behaving like trest I wouldnt be in such a hurry to rule that out. Maybe grab a different brands vial and just see what happens???
 
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Raws seem to be tricky with them the last few years too. I haven’t really got the same results with anything since the OG Pure Oils. Pure research Oils was legit but just wasn’t quite as good. The one he’s using I have a 50ml of and to be fair I haven’t ran it high enough to see if it’s 100% legit but I have to assume since I NEEDED ralox and nothing else makes me need ralox like that. The best way to know is go to 350 and your damn face and fingers, everything will bloat with any decent amount of carbs. There’s really something to be said about the first time you run something so if Cody didn’t see literal pounds a week gains, best to switch it probably bc I was gaining so fast first time I ran it, it was ridiculous. So here’s this if anyone wants to try one that’s for certain best quality you can find out there:
 
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You’re right about having bad batches. It’s possible that it’s underdosed. Also possible that I’m just not a great responder to Trest. I can say that I’m popping 3-4 mg of arimidex a week and my estrogen isn’t crashed so it’s definitely converting to estrogen. I’m going to ride it out and see what happens. I might just need a higher dose. I’ll let everyone know how 350 a week treats me.

Any of y’all have thoughts on what dose test I should be running with it? I know most people run low test with it because of estrogen conversion. Just curious on thoughts on this.

Also forgot to add earlier I am running gamma bomb by John meadows for this Trest run.
 
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You’re right about having bad batches. It’s possible that it’s underdosed. Also possible that I’m just not a great responder to Trest. I can say that I’m popping 3-4 mg of arimidex a week and my estrogen isn’t crashed so it’s definitely converting to estrogen. I’m going to ride it out and see what happens. I might just need a higher dose. I’ll let everyone know how 350 a week treats me.

Any of y’all have thoughts on what dose test I should be running with it? I know most people run low test with it because of estrogen conversion. Just curious on thoughts on this.

Also forgot to add earlier I am running gamma bomb by John meadows for this Trest run.
350 or under. It’s quite troublesome on high test.
 

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Yeah, some guys prefer high test when running trenbolone. I cant imagine many feeling the same way when stacking with trest, though. Hell, Ive blasted trestolone successfully with no test; I think its preferrable.

Id even be inclined to go as far as saying up the trestolone to 400mg and drop test completely.
 
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Right but I’m only at 150 trt dose. Any benefit of upping it with the Trest?
Where does that 150 get you? I figure as long as my test is sitting around 1000, give or take a few points, it's going to be good enough to cycle with. More isnt always necessary but helpful. But you should be able to sit back and let the trest do the heavy lifting from that point. IMO
 
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You’re right about having bad batches. It’s possible that it’s underdosed. Also possible that I’m just not a great responder to Trest. I can say that I’m popping 3-4 mg of arimidex a week and my estrogen isn’t crashed so it’s definitely converting to estrogen. I’m going to ride it out and see what happens. I might just need a higher dose. I’ll let everyone know how 350 a week treats me.

Any of y’all have thoughts on what dose test I should be running with it? I know most people run low test with it because of estrogen conversion. Just curious on thoughts on this.

Also forgot to add earlier I am running gamma bomb by John meadows for this Trest run.
350 or under. It’s quite troublesome on high test.
 
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Yeah, some guys prefer high test when running trenbolone. I cant imagine many feeling the same way when stacking with trest, though. Hell, Ive blasted trestolone successfully with no test; I think its preferrable.

Id even be inclined to go as far as saying up the trestolone to 400mg and drop test completely.
Have you ran that? 400 trest / 0 test?
 
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Where does that 150 get you? I figure as long as my test is sitting around 1000, give or take a few points, it's going to be good enough to cycle with. More isnt always necessary but helpful. But you should be able to sit back and let the trest do the heavy lifting from that point. IMO
850-950 ng/dl
 
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Trest enanth, yep. Trest ace TD a million times with no test. It just eliminates alot of potential bullsh1t probs in my opinion. And test simply isnt "needed" with trestolone. Its not gonna add a whole lot apart from sides. At least in a blast situation.
Same. The only thing Test does for Trest is on paper and makes estro worse. I still run it, but many times I have without test as well.
 
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Sounds like I’ll just stick with same test dose and see how 350 Trest treats me. Thanks for all the input guys.
 

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I don’t have time for a full log so just an update on my Trest Ace run. To sum it up, I haven’t really been impressed.

150mg test cyp week (trt)
75mgtrest eod
60mg tbol
100mg proviron
Arimidex
Caber
On 6th week of Trest. Just stopped
The tbol started a week before Trest.Started at 205. Made it up to 214 lbs before dropping tbol. Now down to 211. So I’ve gained some weight but really haven’t had the great feeling of being on, strength hasn’t really increased, sex drive May be slightly elevated but hard to tell because I already have a high sex drive and sex everyday with the wifey. Pumps are decent though. Checked estrogen 2 weeks ago and was 24.1 so that’s great no issues there.

Any thoughts on upping test a little? I just switched to 50mg everyday of Trest to increase my total weekly mg to 350 from 225.

Side note is I plan on being On cycle for a long time. After 12 weeks of Trest I’m switching over to 850 test cyp and 300 primo.
Sounds like you got some fake ****. Trest gets universally awesome reviews pretty much everywhere...when it's legit. I've never seen anyone say they weren't impressed. In fact, I just saw another post go up today with a longtime competitor saying how impressed he was with it...and he was using a much smaller dose than you.

Trestolone is THE MOST POWRFUL non-methylated AAS currently in existence...period. There is no debating that. Nothing...and I mean NOTHING (nothing that us non-methylated, that is) will build more muscle more quickly, per mg, than trestolone. This is a fact. So, if you got little to nothing out of it, my conclusion is that you got ripped off. With the stack you were running, you should you have made much faster gains as a result of its inclusion. You also should have been much fuller, as no other non-methylated steroid causes as much muscle fullness as trestolone.
 
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Trest Ace. Sorry I left that out.
Brand is “I know a guy” Other people on here run it so I’m not concerned much with quality.
And yeah the bloat struggle is real. It is hard to eat a lot because of the bloat. Sometimes I feel like I have a keg in my belly. I do find that taking a gas x pill right before I eat helps with bloat some but still a struggle
Trestolone shouldn't be causing "bloat". Bloat means that your gastrointestinal tract has become swollen with gas and/or water. Trestolone does NOT cause this and therefore does not interfere with eating as a result of bloat. However, trestolone DOES cause significant water retention--both subcutaneous and intramuscular, with the majority being intramuscular.

Are you taking it orally, or injecting it? If orally, then I can see the possibility, but generally speaking, injectable AAS don't cause gastrointestinal gas/water build-up. I've never seen anyone say that injectable trestolone caused this side effect effect until this thread...and I' spoken to/read posts from literally 100's of people who have used it. Certainly, the possibility remains that you could have experienced an atypical reaction, thereby resulting in gastrointestinal upset, but it is not a common side effect of injectable, non-methylated AAS.

I am having a hard time believing the stuff you got was what it should be. Nothing you are saying sounds normal for trestlone. Of course, I believe what you are saying--as far as what you experienced, but it would certainly be outside of what is considered typical for a trestolone run, especially at 75 mg/ EOD, which is NOT a small dose...and 350 mg/week is a LARGE dose.
 
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I am having a hard time believing the stuff you got was what it should be. Nothing you are saying sounds normal for trestlone. Of course, I believe what you are saying--as far as what you experienced, but it would certainly be outside of what is considered typical for a trestolone run, especially at 75 mg/ EOD, which is NOT a small dose...and 350 mg/week is a LARGE dose.
Always awesome to hear MA chime in on these things..that's kinda what I was getting at in my first post. Granted, I've only ran it once but I remember feeling it at 30mg eod and not going above 50mg eod bc it just seemed unnecessary- plus the estro sides were very present already at 50 eod too.
 
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Trestolone shouldn't be causing "bloat". Bloat means that your gastrointestinal tract has become swollen with gas and/or water. Trestolone does NOT cause this and therefore does not interfere with eating as a result of bloat. However, trestolone DOES cause significant water retention--both subcutaneous and intramuscular, with the majority being intramuscular.

Are you taking it orally, or injecting it? If orally, then I can see the possibility, but generally speaking, injectable AAS don't cause gastrointestinal gas/water build-up. I've never seen anyone say that injectable trestolone caused this side effect effect until this thread...and I' spoken to/read posts from literally 100's of people who have used it. Certainly, the possibility remains that you could have experienced an atypical reaction, thereby results in gastrointestinal upset, but it is not a common side effect of injectable, non-methylated AAS.

I am having a hard time believing the stuff you got was what it should be. Nothing you are saying sounds normal for trestlone. Of course, I believe what you are saying--as far as what you experienced, but it would certainly be outside of what is considered typical for a trestolone run, especially at 75 mg/ EOD, which is NOT a small dose...and 350 mg/week is a LARGE dose.
Thanks for the input. I am injecting. It’s possible what I got is not Trest, not sure what else it would be based on the estrogen conversion I’m having with it though.

Also I will have to disagree with your comment about the bloat. I know of several people who have ran IM trestelone and experienced stomach bloat the same as me.

I need to order 2 more vials to finish this run anyway. ( I broke some vials unpacking them) I’ll get my hand on a different brand and see how I respond with those 2 vials.
 
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Thanks for the input. I am injecting. It’s possible what I got is not Trest, not sure what else it would be based on the estrogen conversion I’m having with it though.

Also I will have to disagree with your comment about the bloat. I know of several people who have ran IM trestelone and experienced stomach bloat the same as me.

I need to order 2 more vials to finish this run anyway. ( I broke some vials unpacking them) I’ll get my hand on a different brand and see how I respond with those 2 vials.
Generally people who think trest causes bloat just increased calories and don’t know how to control their diet. I wouldn’t say trest is the cause of bloating but since people generally use trest when they are BULKING they end up bloated and blame it on trest but i don’t see how this is possible.
 
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I have not yet used IM trest but my best cycle to date (in terms of rapid weight/strength gains) was 60 mg TD trest daily, hdrol, rad140. No “test base”. Talk about mutating. 232 was final weight at end and PR’s all across the board. Quite excited for IM.
 

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I agree with trest a couple years ago was much different then what I have used recently. Now I say it isn't for me, when before I couldn't get enough. But maybe bad batch, got it from a well know company here.
 
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I agree with trest a couple years ago was much different then what I have used recently. Now I say it isn't for me, when before I couldn't get enough. But maybe bad batch, got it from a well know company here.
This is exactly what I’ve felt for years. I made sure to stock up an insane amount of Trest Ace from Pure Oils before they stopped making it. So I had years worth. Everything I’ve used from 2017 to today has been about the same, a little bloat, definitely heavy estro, but nothing like what I remember in 2015. I end up cruising it since it’s not worth the estro to run it at effective doses when before I would have happily just smashed a ton of AI and Serm because the gains were just so nuts. I mean, it works and it’s probablyTrest, it’s just weaker. I have yet to run one that was indeed that OG super strong Trest, and I’ve tried many different companies including the one Cody is using now. I feel like it’s a raw issue. That’s why I think Optim may be a good one to try. They sell quick and are known for potent yet pricey chems. Maybe they test their raws more aggressively, but a lot of this is just me guessing.
 
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Has anyone done research with IASuperpharma?
No, they have Trest?
I found a Dienolone source but I’d love to see some more companies, not Ugls necessarily, that have all the Diens , Desoxy, and Trest A and D.
 

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No, they have Trest?
I found a Dienolone source but I’d love to see some more companies, not Ugls necessarily, that have all the Diens , Desoxy, and Trest A and D.
They do, but its a bit more pricey than Optim.

Lol they have just about everything, exotics, inj orals...Remember, that thread, where it was discussed the crazy fukin combos they have (tren + trest...every ester of trest in an oil, etc)
 

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This is exactly what I’ve felt for years. I made sure to stock up an insane amount of Trest Ace from Pure Oils before they stopped making it. So I had years worth. Everything I’ve used from 2017 to today has been about the same, a little bloat, definitely heavy estro, but nothing like what I remember in 2015. I end up cruising it since it’s not worth the estro to run it at effective doses when before I would have happily just smashed a ton of AI and Serm because the gains were just so nuts. I mean, it works and it’s probablyTrest, it’s just weaker. I have yet to run one that was indeed that OG super strong Trest, and I’ve tried many different companies including the one Cody is using now. I feel like it’s a raw issue. That’s why I think Optim may be a good one to try. They sell quick and are known for potent yet pricey chems. Maybe they test their raws more aggressively, but a lot of this is just me guessing.
To bad I decided not to sell (at MA Research) the raws I had tested. They are EVERY BIT AS GOOD as Pure oils from back in the day. :)
 
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To bad I decided not to sell (at MA Research) the raws I had tested. They are EVERY BIT AS GOOD as Pure oils from back in the day. :)
I’m curious why? Can the steroid-like products be more troublesome for you?
 

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I’m curious why? Can the steroid-like products be more troublesome for you?
Yes. It is technically a controlled substance. Some people --mistakenly--think that they can sell trest as a research chem because it isn't listed by name on the controlled substance list, but this is untrue. According to the most recent Anabolic Steroid Control Act reform, ANY molecule with a steroidal backbone is a controlled substance...and this includes trestolone.

Selling trestolone is no different than selling trenbolone or cocaine on a research site and thinking it's legal. It's not. The penalties are potentially as large as someone who sold heroin on their research site. They both have the same CS rating, so the penalties are technically, potentially the same.
 
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Yes. It is technically a controlled substance. Som people --mistakenly--thik that they can sell rest as a research chem because it isn't liste by name on the controlled substance list, but this is untrue. According to the most recent Anabolic Steroid Control Act reform, ANY molecule with a steroidal backbone is a controlled substance...and this includes trestolone.

Selling trestolone is no different than selling trenbolone or cocaine on a research site and thinking it's legal. It's not. The penalties are potentially as large as someone who sold heroin on their research site. They both have the same CS rating, so the penalties are technically, potentially the same.
That’s exactly what I thought. Smart move too.
And now it’s damn near impossible to find it outside of ugl sources. Plus most the RCs that carry them are closing and disappearing quickly.
 
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Yes. It is technically a controlled substance. Some people --mistakenly--think that they can sell trest as a research chem because it isn't listed by name on the controlled substance list, but this is untrue. According to the most recent Anabolic Steroid Control Act reform, ANY molecule with a steroidal backbone is a controlled substance...and this includes trestolone.

Selling trestolone is no different than selling trenbolone or cocaine on a research site and thinking it's legal. It's not. The penalties are potentially as large as someone who sold heroin on their research site. They both have the same CS rating, so the penalties are technically, potentially the same.
I'm glad that someone well respected finally stated this on the board. Usually the guys that say that on here get shouted down, and treated like idiots.
 
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I'm glad that someone well respected finally stated this on the board. Usually the guys that say that on here get shouted down, and treated like idiots.
Agree. From a distribution standpoint, I’d be scared to death to sell it and the consequences that may bring. From a possession standpoint, I’d inject it in front of a cop. That’s just me and I think we worry more than we need to about LE and steroids. A typical beat cop doesn’t know what’s legal and what’s not other than maybe test or Deca without a script. I would point out that it’s still not a named controlled substance and it’s for research purposes, and bought legally from a website that only sells uncontrolled research chems and I’d argue it to death with them. When I fly, I leave my test since my last legit script was 2016, and bring any RC (Dien Trest Msten)with me and no ones ever questioned it.
But I read that law regarding it being based on testosterone backbone and they could really twist that on us if they wanted to, assuming they had a lab to test it ready to go, and wanted to waste the time on the paperwork after you politely explained it to them and weren’t committing other crimes at the time.
 
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Also got to remember guys that trest ace half life for oil is about two hrs. EOD is no where enough for blood stability. Once a day is often a better choice, twice even better. Yup... lots of pins but it is what it is. So taking eod, the compound is pretty much out of the system by the end of the pin day then you skip a day and start over the following
 

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Also got to remember guys that trest ace half life for oil is about two hrs. EOD is no where enough for blood stability. Once a day is often a better choice, twice even better. Yup... lots of pins but it is what it is. So taking eod, the compound is pretty much out of the system by the end of the pin day then you skip a day and start over the following
So ED dosing will keep consistent blood levels? If so, would ED dosing then reduce some of the estro sides?
 
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Also got to remember guys that trest ace half life for oil is about two hrs. EOD is no where enough for blood stability. Once a day is often a better choice, twice even better. Yup... lots of pins but it is what it is. So taking eod, the compound is pretty much out of the system by the end of the pin day then you skip a day and start over the following
Huh? How do you figure acetate ester is only only 2 hours. Your confused homie. The ester is what determines the half life. It doesn’t matter what drug is attached to the ACETATE ESTER it’s half life is 2 Days? Test, Primo, Tren, Trest it’s all 2 Days. I not sure where your getting your information from?
 
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So ED dosing will keep consistent blood levels? If so, would ED dosing then reduce some of the estro sides?
I can tell you that since I switched to ED dosing, my bloat issue is pretty much non existent now. I still think you are still going to have high estrogen conversion though, albeit probably easier to control with ED dosing.
 
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I can tell you that since I switched to ED dosing, my bloat issue is pretty much non existent now. I still think you are still going to have high estrogen conversion though, albeit probably easier to control with ED dosing.
Your going to see more stable blood levels and possibly lesser side effects with anything you pin more often. Acetate esther is ace no matter what hormone its attached to. I use test cyp or enan for my trt. Several months ago I switched to eod or ed pins and my need for a.i. is nearly gone - at 2 pins per week I was eating 2 doses of 25mg exem per week before...I'm a fan of at least eod dosing for anything....shorter esthers I believe will always shine brighter with ed pokes.
 
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Your going to see more stable blood levels and possibly lesser side effects with anything you pin more often. Acetate esther is ace no matter what hormone its attached to. I use test cyp or enan for my trt. Several months ago I switched to eod or ed pins and my need for a.i. is nearly gone - at 2 pins per week I was eating 2 doses of 25mg exem per week before...I'm a fan of at least eod dosing for anything....shorter esthers I believe will always shine brighter with ed pokes.
I agree that stable bloods are important especially with Testosterone because it’s literally the foundation. Playing yo yo with your estrogen can cause all sorts of problems.

What I have found is stable bloods with all other steroids is most important to get the most out of the drug. Now that doesn’t mean not always having stable bloods won’t still be effective. For me pinning Tren or Trest Ed only causes MORE side effects. The same goes for heavy orals like SD, Anadrol, DBol, Halo, all the heavy hitters. I know countless BB that only take there orals pre workout in mega doses using Two weeks on Two off protocol.They still make great gains with less sides.

I personally like the valleys and down time from tren and notice much less anger, heartburn and insomnia pinning eod. But everyone’s different I suppose.
 
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I can tell you that since I switched to ED dosing, my bloat issue is pretty much non existent now. I still think you are still going to have high estrogen conversion though, albeit probably easier to control with ED dosing.
How do you figure that having constant peak plasma concentrations of Trestolone will help control estrogen? After concentrations peak the drugs potency and its conversion to estrogen begins to drop. The longer you go between shots “the drug” any drug for that matter looses its strength obviously lessening conversion, not increasing it! You dig?🤓
 
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Huh? How do you figure acetate ester is only only 2 hours. Your confused homie. The ester is what determines the half life. It doesn’t matter what drug is attached to the ACETATE ESTER it’s half life is 2 Days? Test, Primo, Tren, Trest it’s all 2 Days. I not sure where your getting your information from?
A simple google search will give you the answer and I made a mistake... oral up to 2 hrs.. 8-12 hrs ace in oil. Show me where you see test attached with the ace ester is the same as others mentioned....
 
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A simple google search will give you the answer and I made a mistake... oral up to 2 hrs.. 8-12 hrs ace in oil. Show me where you see test attached with the ace ester is the same as others mentioned....
Almost every ugl in the world sells test ace!
Lol, you are the one pinning Trest ace twice a day not me! 🤓
 
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@ItalOne how harsh would you say trest is? I see people saying they’re running it during cruise... I’m cruising for the next 4 months but I wanna add something to keep adding a lil few gains... but I can’t believe adding like a low dose trest would be okay.. it’s going to trash my lipids and everything no? Trest is one of the next compounds I wanna try.. just don’t know much about it yet.
 
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For how ridiculously strong it is, it barely messes with my lipids. Nothing even close to DHTs. I’ve cruised it on and off since 2015, less estro issues, steady strength gains, and surprisingly leaning out over time once diet and AI are dialed.
You can blast too if you are one of the lucky ones that can get by with heavy ralox doses, it’ll tackle the methylestro gyno right at the source better than any AI has for me.
300/week will put more weight on you than anything you’ve ever used, cept SD and Insulin.
 
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For how ridiculously strong it is, it barely messes with my lipids. Nothing even close to DHTs. I’ve cruised it on and off since 2015, less estro issues, steady strength gains, and surprisingly leaning out over time once diet and AI are dialed.
You can blast too if you are one of the lucky ones that can get by with heavy ralox doses, it’ll tackle the methylestro gyno right at the source better than any AI has for me.
300/week will put more weight on you than anything you’ve ever used, cept SD and Insulin.
What about hematocrit and rbc?
 
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@ItalOne how harsh would you say trest is? I see people saying they’re running it during cruise... I’m cruising for the next 4 months but I wanna add something to keep adding a lil few gains... but I can’t believe adding like a low dose trest would be okay.. it’s going to trash my lipids and everything no? Trest is one of the next compounds I wanna try.. just don’t know much about it yet.
I don’t mean sound like a downer but I know you came off cycle, then cruised on a high dose of test, I believe said 600mg could be wrong. That’s a cycle in itself! Then you did a low dose 10-15 mg SD run and now want to cruise again but add something else, perhaps trest? Brother much love but give yourself a break. It’s not worth constantly staying ON if your not collecting a pay check for doing so much gear.

I would drop down to 200mg of Test only. Enjoy your life a little bit. It will also give you a REAL idea how strong you are and what you look like when your not consistently jacked on gear.

sorry 😐 don’t be mad.
 

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