Not sure I understand some of these posts.
To be clear "methylation" of hormones has nothing to do with estrogenic conversion.
It definitely does make you hold water though via aromatase (estrogen) though as stated![]()
Also it is not methylated in the hepatotoxic-concerns sense (17-aa) so hepatotoxic/liver concerns are mild at best.
When used in the capacity of a pre-workout only, this becomes a non-issue.
It's methylated at C7 instead of C17, isnt it, which makes it produce the methyl metabolites also mentioned here without being as liver toxic?
Anyway, OP, I'm using the Olympus UK Trest PWO on my current test cycle and it is the bomb diggity at just 25mg. Haven't tried it before this but it's my favorite oral so far. In fact, just wrapping up a workout on it now lol. Two PRs.
Damn it I wish I hadn't read that, I'll have some coming in soon lol and i just started my test cycle which I didn't wanna throw Trest into
It's quite well tolerated on the surface, but I'm running hcg in this cycle and into PCT so that's why I didn't feel it would be much of an issue as far as suppression.
I'm gunna be on HCG too so maybe I will throw it in! Lol
I like the injectable alpha isomer version. 50mg's of that preworkout and I can't help but push myself harder than ever. Lol. It's like you actually thoroughly enjoy making you're workout borderline deadly
Totally recommend it. Make sure you have bulk taurine for the pumps, though. Even the stairmaster is unbearable after 10 min if I forget it for a day. I run 5g morning and 5g PWO.
You take it every day at 25mg ?
That's it. The oral one is theWhat is the alpha isomer called? I've only seen injectable Trest Ace, which I've heavily considered for my winter bulk. And yes, that push is what makes me love it so much. I typically don't even want other pre-workouts when I take it.
If it's illegal, that's probably it. Lol. I've never seen how much of a difference the alpha isomer really makes in the effects of it. I would imagine the additional effects probably stem from how your body absorbs probably 3x as much from a similar dose. I can't remember the exact number. It's a pretty significant amount more that your body is able to use though.What is the alpha isomer called? I've only seen injectable Trest Ace, which I've heavily considered for my winter bulk. And yes, that push is what makes me love it so much. I typically don't even want other pre-workouts when I take it.
I'm gunna be on HCG too so maybe I will throw it in! Lol

Shut up you have DMZ and Winny preworkout all cycle basically so just chill out and trust the drugs you have dawg![]()
Lmfao fucc I was found, I just want all the gains lmao
Lol working my way up to it!Then eat a bigger surplus!
Damn, yo. That's already a pretty stout pair of orals.
I like the injectable alpha isomer version. 50mg's of that preworkout and I can't help but push myself harder than ever. Lol. It's like you actually thoroughly enjoy making you're workout borderline deadly
It's still legal so I assume I am allowed to ask.
Who is selling this still?
Only interested in oral for a non-methylated oral for pre-w/o.
If you have not tried this yet you are missing out.
Thanks
Try Ment 7a-Methyl-estra-4-en-3,17-dione PWO.
Part of it converts to Trestalone.
I was able to get old PHF ment. 10mgs PWO and I felt euphoric in the gym for about 60 mins. Short half life, but it was amazing.
The best PWO period.
Wouldn't you just want the active trestolone instead of ment which has to convert?
Wouldn't you just want the active trestolone instead of ment which has to convert?
Haha true!! I thought someone was saying it was better. It appears that I was just confused, no surprise there.
Have you tried both, Yates? Which is preferable for the application?
Do you want the better preWO or the better steroid? Trest is the stronger steroid is what I was saying.
If ment is a better PWO than trest, I need to start a new hunt. Has it been banned?
It's long gone bro. Last ment I saw was made by phf and you don't see those little bags of pills too often anymore
I've seen that guys channel and not gonna lie, I watch it while I am at work because it's entertaining, but I am not quite sure that I would buy anything off his site. That's the skeptic in me. That's the same reason I am not buying loads of "pharma grade" SERMS and TEST from India too though.