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Hi, i know that trendione converts to real tren, but what is better trendione Vs dienolone

brawn makes a tren and trenaV....but the trenav is only 15mg caps...the dienolone is 30mg ... if i take like 4 caps a day, what is strongest ? 60mg trendione or 120mg dienolone ???
 
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Hi, i know that trendione converts to real tren, but what is better trendione Vs dienolone

brawn makes a tren and trenaV....but the trenav is only 15mg caps...the dienolone is 30mg ... if i take like 4 caps a day, what is strongest ? 60mg trendione or 120mg dienolone ???
I'd say that Dienolone is more like Trestolone, maybe I'm wrong, but thats my understanding. You should try Respawn from Brawn nutrition, nice recomp in bottle, if you want good Trendione product
 

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I prefer diendione 90mg because of the crazy strength gains I get from it. Trenavar at 60mg is a Better cutter ime but sides are far worse. Dienolone should be Used IM or transdermal. I don’t believe oral would do much.
 
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i think the topical version of dien dosed between 100-150 per day feels stronger than a similar dose of oral trendione. but I think the og stuff they sold as x-tren should be on par orally with that of td.
 
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You dont think oral will work ? Any one that has been on the oral dien??
 
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Hamdysayed took the brawn trendione on here and he said it blew him up
 
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You dont think oral will work ? Any one that has been on the oral dien??
Oral Dienolone is practically useless.
This.

The Brawn Tren product you speak of is not Dienelone, it is Prodienelone, commonly known as X-Tren. Very potent orally. 90-120mg oral was common. Guys got bigger, stronger, and leaner - similar results to injectable/transdermal Dienelone.

Tren-v/Trenavar/Trendione is Protrenbolone, and I got basically all of the Tren sides using it between 120-210mg/day over 8 weeks for a comp. 120mg is a fairly solid dose while keeping the sides more manageable. Great stuff if you wanted to use Tren but didn’t want to inject and didn’t mind dosing it 3-4 times a day. Treat it like Tren.

Dienelone and Trenbolone themselves are not significantly bioavailable orally. Both must be injected or applied transdermally, or you need to use the prohormones X-Tren (Brawn Tren) or Trenavar (Brawn Tren-v) in sufficient doses if going the oral route.

I just ran inj Dienelone Enanthate at 4 & 500mg last blast and it was definitely wetter than Trenavar/trendione. Like if you mixed Nandrolone and Tren. Solid strength, enhanced metabolism, got bigger and leaner and full muscles with less sides than Tren for sure. Probably my favorite run so far.
 

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I’ve got the Brawn Tren. Bottle and 3/4 to run that I’ve had for a while!

Does anyone have any advice on a dosage to start? It’s 30mg per cap, I was thinking just 3 x caps per day.

Only thing is - last time I ran it (forget what else) I had really bad reflux on it. Tempted for another run though.
 
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I’ve got the Brawn Tren. Bottle and 3/4 to run that I’ve had for a while!

Does anyone have any advice on a dosage to start? It’s 30mg per cap, I was thinking just 3 x caps per day.

Only thing is - last time I ran it (forget what else) I had really bad reflux on it. Tempted for another run though.
If you had reflux before you probably will again.

If going 6 weeks or less, I have found good results from one Pepcid Complete per day once it starts kicking in and once a single Tum per day can’t handle it, and 2 separate servings of ~10g L-Glutamine spaced apart.
 
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Dienelone and Trenbolone themselves are not significantly bioavailable orally.
I don't know a thing about Dienelone, but trendione should be pretty orally bioavailable (just based on the other *andros) out there, they're all pretty orally bioavailable and have a conversion rate of around 30% if my memory serves me right. But, I refer to your judgement since you've ran it and I haven't.

Only thing is - last time I ran it (forget what else) I had really bad reflux on it. Tempted for another run though.
Try running a PPI along side of your Tren/Diene/whatever you end up choosing. Something like Zegrid OTC with omeprazole (Pepcid) and sodium bicarbonate (baking soda) taken once a day should get rid of that acid reflux no problem. You can run it during your whole cycle or just try it for 14 days like the mfg recommends and see if that helps. If not, you can try a type 2 antihistamine like famotidine. Here's some more helpful info.

 
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I don't know a thing about Dienelone, but trendione should be pretty orally bioavailable (just based on the other *andros) out there, they're all pretty orally bioavailable and have a conversion rate of around 30% if my memory serves me right. But, I refer to your judgement since you've ran it and I haven't.



Try running a PPI along side of your Tren/Diene/whatever you end up choosing. Something like Zegrid OTC with omeprazole (Pepcid) and sodium bicarbonate (baking soda) taken once a day should get rid of that acid reflux no problem. You can run it during your whole cycle or just try it for 14 days like the mfg recommends and see if that helps. If not, you can try a type 2 antihistamine like famotidine. Here's some more helpful info.

I said trenbolone is not significantly orally bioavailable.

I said that Trendione IS, which is why I said that is what you should take if looking for a Tren effect from an oral. It worked very well for me.
 
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I said trenbolone is not significantly orally bioavailable.

I said that Trendione IS, which is why I said that is what you should take if looking for a Tren effect from an oral. It worked very well for me.
Sorry, misunderstood what you were saying.
 
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I said trenbolone is not significantly orally bioavailable.

I said that Trendione IS, which is why I said that is what you should take if looking for a Tren effect from an oral. It worked very well for me.
i remember the old cel xtren, 90mg was pretty nice, i think i might have bumped up to 120mg last week--was a long long time ago...i think that was the cycle that put me on trt, tbh.
 
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i remember the old cel xtren, 90mg was pretty nice, i think i might have bumped up to 120mg last week--was a long long time ago...i think that was the cycle that put me on trt, tbh.
The very first time “gym” I ever went to, the junior college gym to get a health credit, the jacked desk guy was telling me about how he had used X-Tren a few times and it was crazy. I literally heard the mythological rumors of it before I could even benchpress the empty bar all the way from my chest

It’s amazing it even took me 3 years to start using PH/DS! I tried to use it for my very first run, but thankfully I woke up day 2 with inflamed nipples and the supplement shop owner swapped me for Epistane - I had no idea how tough on the HPTA 19-Nors could be. Or how to control prolactin lol
 
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The very first time “gym” I ever went to, the junior college gym to get a health credit, the jacked desk guy was telling me about how he had used X-Tren a few times and it was crazy. I literally heard the mythological rumors of it before I could even benchpress the empty bar all the way from my chest

It’s amazing it even took me 3 years to start using PH/DS! I tried to use it for my very first run, but thankfully I woke up day 2 with inflamed nipples and the supplement shop owner swapped me for Epistane - I had no idea how tough on the HPTA 19-Nors could be. Or how to control prolactin lol
definately not something i would recommend as a 1st cycle :eek:...!!!
 

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I've been dying to ask this since I have yet to figure it out on my own through research and this seems as good as any opportunity:
Does TD Dienolone (like the current apex alchemy product or former Iron Legion Dienazone) have the same long lasting metabolites that can cause suppression well after a cycle and PCT like real tren or other 19-Nors? I am well read on the progestogenic sides of 19-Nors and management of them, however, I cannot find anything about post cycle metabolites or if it will affect a successful PCT like other 19-Nors do.

I don't plan on BnC anytime in my near future and successfully cycling off using TD dienolone is a must.

Thanks.
 
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I've been dying to ask this since I have yet to figure it out on my own through research and this seems as good as any opportunity:
Does TD Dienolone (like the current apex alchemy product or former Iron Legion Dienazone) have the same long lasting metabolites that can cause suppression well after a cycle and PCT like real tren or other 19-Nors? I am well read on the progestogenic sides of 19-Nors and management of them, however, I cannot find anything about post cycle metabolites or if it will affect a successful PCT like other 19-Nors do.

I don't plan on BnC anytime in my near future and successfully cycling off using TD dienolone is a must.

Thanks.
This is a misconception due to the popularity of "Deca."

"Parenteral administration of the long‐chain esters of 19‐nortestosterone may be detected for months, with anecdotal evidence pointing to more than 18 months past the last injection. Metabolites formed after oral administration of norsteroids remain detectable for only a few days."

 
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I've been dying to ask this since I have yet to figure it out on my own through research and this seems as good as any opportunity:
Does TD Dienolone (like the current apex alchemy product or former Iron Legion Dienazone) have the same long lasting metabolites that can cause suppression well after a cycle and PCT like real tren or other 19-Nors? I am well read on the progestogenic sides of 19-Nors and management of them, however, I cannot find anything about post cycle metabolites or if it will affect a successful PCT like other 19-Nors do.

I don't plan on BnC anytime in my near future and successfully cycling off using TD dienolone is a must.

Thanks.
I had a tough but very successful PCT after trendione, FWIW. By tough I mean it took decidedly longer than usual to really feel right emotionally and libido-wise. Just kinda remember dragging on all aspects. But the bloodwork did all bounce back fine in the end.
 
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I had a tough but very successful PCT after trendione, FWIW. By tough I mean it took decidedly longer than usual to really feel right emotionally and libido-wise. Just kinda remember dragging on all aspects. But the bloodwork did all bounce back fine in the end.
I've talked to several guys who feel like they Never totally recovered after a cycle of Trendione.
It seems like most of those cases were guys using it as a first cycle (or close to it).

But for the guys reading this (who may not fully understand), I just want to stress that Trendione is a different compound from Dienolone.
 

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So Dienolone is less harsh tran trendione? Will 90mg oral dienolone be good? Brawn ”tren”
 

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I've talked to several guys who feel like they Never totally recovered after a cycle of Trendione.
It seems like most of those cases were guys using it as a first cycle (or close to it).

But for the guys reading this (who may not fully understand), I just want to stress that Trendione is a different compound from Dienolone.
i have a bottle of brawn trena-v...is it trendione or dienolone?
 
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This is a misconception due to the popularity of "Deca."

"Parenteral administration of the long‐chain esters of 19‐nortestosterone may be detected for months, with anecdotal evidence pointing to more than 18 months past the last injection. Metabolites formed after oral administration of norsteroids remain detectable for only a few days."

I may be wrong on this but my understanding was that non active metabolites of deca remain in the body (stored in fat cells) being released into the blood stream very slowly (hence the 18 month detection time) but the active compound (causing suppression) clears in line with the normal half life (still long). Basically it’s not suppressive for 18 months

the recovery from 19nors is certainly harder (well it was for me the one time I tried to pct off trest) but I thought that was more due to the extremely suppressive nature of the compound rather than the per se (although of course longer esters will always make for a rough ride just through the sheer amount of time to clear)
 
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I may be wrong on this but my understanding was that non active metabolites of deca remain in the body (stored in fat cells) being released into the blood stream very slowly (hence the 18 month detection time) but the active compound (causing suppression) clears in line with the normal half life (still long). Basically it’s not suppressive for 18 months

the recovery from 19nors is certainly harder (well it was for me the one time I tried to pct off trest) but I thought that was more due to the extremely suppressive nature of the compound rather than the per se (although of course longer esters will always make for a rough ride just through the sheer amount of time to clear)
i had a MUCH easier time coming off trest than the old xtren, but of course i was on trt when i ran trest, lol....
 

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Dienolone transdermal and more so injectable definitely increases prolactin. If you don't control prolactin you're going to have puffy/itchy nipples possible gyno. Over 75 mg transdermal or 350mg weekly oil injection definitely needs prolactin control SNS inhibit-p OTC or low dose prami works just fine for me personally when Ive vused TD dienolone
 

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A guy ran 150mg dienolone transdermal 7 weeks and logged it last year around spring. Don't remember name. He had 17 lbs of gains and had multiple previous cycles under his belt. I think dienolone is better than trendione
 
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A guy ran 150mg dienolone transdermal 7 weeks and logged it last year around spring. Don't remember name. He had 17 lbs of gains and had multiple previous cycles under his belt. I think dienolone is better than trendione
It’s the better mass builder/volumizer for sure.
 
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I’m going to run this is June, dienogen. Currently have 5 bottles. I’ll be running with 75mg halodrol. Just gotta decide on a dose for the dienogen. I was thinking 100mg but maybe I’ll go higher.
 
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I may be wrong on this but my understanding was that non active metabolites of deca remain in the body (stored in fat cells) being released into the blood stream very slowly (hence the 18 month detection time) but the active compound (causing suppression) clears in line with the normal half life (still long). Basically it’s not suppressive for 18 months

the recovery from 19nors is certainly harder (well it was for me the one time I tried to pct off trest) but I thought that was more due to the extremely suppressive nature of the compound rather than the per se (although of course longer esters will always make for a rough ride just through the sheer amount of time to clear)
No, the steroid and ester stay together and the metabolites from these long chain conjugates are suppressive.

After a while you'll get to a point where it's high enough to still be detectable but low enough so as not to cause any appreciable hpta suppression but the metabolites they're testing for are and/or are evidence of some level of active steroids still in the bloodstream.
 
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so the oral version is also good ? The tren or respawn from brawn ?? At like 90-120mg
No. Dienolone is worthless oral. It must be transdermal or injection to be even worth taking. 15 years ago they made a methyl pro hormone to dienolone that was oral. It was methyl diene-dione that converted to methyldienolone. It was fuarking potent bulking compound but bad prolactin sides and liver toxic. It's banned to sell in USA. Straight up dienolone is legal to sell in USA still. Trust me buy apex alchemy transdermal dienolone. It's best on the market
 

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I’m going to run this is June, dienogen. Currently have 5 bottles. I’ll be running with 75mg halodrol. Just gotta decide on a dose for the dienogen. I was thinking 100mg but maybe I’ll go higher.
I'd stay at 100 mg whole run. 150 mg just adds more fluid weight gain and potential increased chance of sides. I strongly recommend SNS inhibit p while on.
 
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so the oral version is also good ? The tren or respawn from brawn ?? At like 90-120mg
No. Dienolone is worthless oral. It must be transdermal or injection to be even worth taking. 15 years ago they made a methyl pro hormone to dienolone that was oral. It was methyl diene-dione that converted to methyldienolone. It was fuarking potent bulking compound but bad prolactin sides and liver toxic. It's banned to sell in USA. Straight up dienolone is legal to sell in USA still. Trust me buy apex alchemy transdermal dienolone. It's best on the market
These products being discussed are one in the same. The methylated prohormone to Dienelone. X-Tren. Currently sold as Brawn Tren, and the other compound in Respawn (besides Epistane).

Nobody makes oral Dienelone because we know it sucks, so you don’t have to worry about accidentally buying any.

90-120mg was common dosing of it.
 

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Well x tren was methyl diene-dione. I dont believe the brawn "version" is methylated. It's just diene-dione. I tried zoo's diene-dione transdermal from vicious labs and it was good, but oral is probably bunk.
 
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Well x tren was methyl diene-dione. I dont believe the brawn "version" is methylated. It's just diene-dione. I tried zoo's diene-dione transdermal from vicious labs and it was good, but oral is probably bunk.
Thank you - just checked out the Brawn nomenclature and that does seem to be the case.

So for anyone buying Brawn Tren or Respawn, probably don’t expect too too much. Probably just a stacker.

If you are in America I don’t know why someone would bother to buy that from overseas anyway. The American RC, supplement, cosmetic market is lit . You can get trest, dienelone, desoxy test, Msten, DMZ, M1A, LGD4033/3033, Osta, RAD/TLB, S4, S23, Yk11, Max LMG, EpiAndro, Androsterone, 1/4/19andros in all manner of oils, creams, capsules, and tabs - plus Mk677, peptides, Carnitine, GW, and basically every ancillary you could need.
 

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What so now brawn tren and respawn is **** ? I just read that it was gtg...
 
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Hamdysay talks about a oral version?
He said, "Mine was the oral PH, I think".
... Meaning he believes it was the oral PH to Dienolone.
They are different compounds, and require different means of successful administration.

Brother, you're trying EXTREMELY hard to make comments by board members say something that they don't say.

Even if you could change the comments, that wouldn't change the reality of the compound.

If you want that badly to run an oral Dienolone ... Run it.
Nobody will stop you.

But I have to be honest with you man, from your comments, you don't sound ready to use a 19-Nor At All.

Don't become one of those guys who messages me to tell me he thinks he's screwed his hormonal system, because he didn't really understand what he was doing after all.

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