Trenbolone Notes.

jomi822 said:
there are studies that show it significantly affects seratonin levels. i forgot if it blocks seratonin, prevents it formation or both. i believe it was a combination of both.
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Not fully understanding dbols effect on brain chemistry, would a low dose dbol be a good pair with tren ace and say test prop 6 weeker? Around 30mgs daily of dbol?
 
motiv8er said:
Not fully understanding dbols effect on brain chemistry, would a low dose dbol be a good pair with tren ace and say test prop 6 weeker? Around 30mgs daily of dbol?
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I believe dbol is a dopamine antagonist. Its a good idea for mood elevation, but I would think gyno could be a problem since one of dbols metabolites is a very potent form of estrogen coupled with normal tren risk, you may have moobs in no time.
 
what the hell im over here about to mess myself up terribly because no one has told me anything on that subject and yes i might be to young but i just started it and wouldnt it be a smart thing to let younger ones know what they are getting themselves into by som one who knows what they are talking about. i mean i dont see how its in the best intrest to ban a kid from a stupid forum just because of age i mean if their on it then so be it at least teach right from wrong. but thanks to those who have helped me out you stopp:twisted me only on my 3rd shot so thank god for yall to the one banning me **** off these guys just saved my ass
 
jomi822 said:
there are studies that show it significantly affects seratonin levels. i forgot if it blocks seratonin, prevents it formation or both. i believe it was a combination of both.
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Interesting. Interference with serotonin could certain result in the psychological side effects of insomnia, irritability and "not feeling right".

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"The second would be the mesolimbic area. The mesolimbic area controls our wellbeing and state of salience. It is the region where dopaminergic starts from the ventral tegmental area (VTA) and ends in the amygdala. The mesolimbic area gets most of its afferent signals from the serotonergic fibers originating in the raphe nucleus mostly modulated through serotonin 5ht2 receptors (2). Blocking these fibers either with 5ht2 antagonists or 5ht1 agonist would reduce overall mesolimbic activity. Nandrolone according to the data, increases this regional activity, possibly leaning 5ht2/5ht1 activational ratio positively through genomic or/and nongenomic effects. Interestingly, all progestins activate this region according to the study (7), trenbolone included.

General data suggest that psychotic behavior is a result of increased mesolimbic activity. This would explain the intolerable anxiety accompanied with high dose of progestagenic drugs like nandrolone or trenbolone. Presumably, trenbolone affects this site more acutely because it doesn’t have any estrogen effect on VMH which would lessen or gas out the psychotic behavior elicited from the amygdala."
 
motiv8er said:
Not fully understanding dbols effect on brain chemistry, would a low dose dbol be a good pair with tren ace and say test prop 6 weeker? Around 30mgs daily of dbol?
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it kicks ass big time. However I would def run a strong AI with it. If your gyno prone avoid it. I can tell you that the pumps are something else. I couldn't climb stairs. If I ever did it again (I avoid orals now) I would run the 50mg ed of dbol and the same of tren for 6 weeks. better buy some new shirts. but it is hard on you.
 
cass8661 said:
what the hell im over here about to mess myself up terribly because no one has told me anything on that subject and yes i might be to young but i just started it and wouldnt it be a smart thing to let younger ones know what they are getting themselves into by som one who knows what they are talking about. i mean i dont see how its in the best intrest to ban a kid from a stupid forum just because of age i mean if their on it then so be it at least teach right from wrong. but thanks to those who have helped me out you stopp:twisted me only on my 3rd shot so thank god for yall to the one banning me **** off these guys just saved my ass
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1. if your only 3 shots in then just quit. it should be ok (if your doing ED shots that is) if its been more then a week then you want to get your blood work checked by a doc.

2. If you had read as much as you have said then you would have known this to start with. thier are countless threads that people have made regarding this subject. doing any steroid when your too young is bad. tren is just worse and then some. Its all over the place and hard to miss.

3. not a smart move to tell the board mods to **** off. first off several of us informed you and warned you that you were breaking the rules. To keep the board out of hot water (liablity) they HAVE to enforce it. And given that you had several warnings from the members I think he was very nice in just giving you another warning. telling him to **** off is not only out of line but your just wrong here.

4. if you had planly stated what you needed help for I am sure some one would have had you email or something. you didn't state what the problem was I first thought that you were asking for more cycle info. think before you type
 
Dbol doesnt aromatize to normal estradial. I believe it forms a 2-ene form of estrogen thats is significantly more potent. Everything ive seen points to this estrogen being the primary mood elevator...as opposed to the dbol itself.
 
jmh80 said:
Estrogen elevating mood????? :wtf:
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Sure, anytime I've got big titties around me I am ready to feed the homeless.
 
It probably effects dopamine similar to D-bol dose then, i wouldn't say that estrogen boosts your mood but too little estrogen can negatively effect your mood. Increased testosterone WILL increase your mood greatly as it is a natural anti-depressant. This is why i urge doctors to prescribe depressive men with 1000mg of testosterone instead of Paxil and the like, lol.
 
Ok. So I was reading this thread and saw a few people were taking about the detection time fot tren. I have heard many different lengths but none that are for surly right. I'm asking because I get tested for steroids and I was thinking about using tren in my next cycle. Thanks BD
 
jomi822 said:
there are studies that show it significantly affects seratonin levels. i forgot if it blocks seratonin, prevents it formation or both. i believe it was a combination of both.
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if this is the case, would somthing like 5-htp be of any benefit?


*edit- i just thought about it, 5-htp probably wont help if it is straight up blocking seratonin
 
if your tested tren is a bad idea.... it stays in your system 5 months.

stick with test and other quicker clearing drugs. unless you have a off season (if you play sports) then you "could" use it, but i dont see why you would want to.
 
concretetofists said:
if this is the case, would somthing like 5-htp be of any benefit?


*edit- i just thought about it, 5-htp probably wont help if it is straight up blocking seratonin
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Well if it was completely blocking all serotonin activity then you would cease to function at all mentally. Serotonin is critical to brain function, and you can't just block it completely and still keep walking around like you can do with something like estrogen. So if it does lower serotonin levels then it's just decreasing activity in some way. So 5-HTP might be helpful.
 
Just wanted to know what is recommended to take with the Tren? Not in a stack but for support to protect yourself (BT's, liver etc.). I've been told by some not to worry about anything and just have a good PCT in place. Which brings me to this, what are some good recommedations for a goog PCT?
Just for the record I'm 35.
 
Look at the write up and ingredients on cycle support. A lot of what you need may be found in there.

What I use/have onhand or want to have onhand

Hairloss products (Spironolactone, Minoxidil)
Blood pressure control (I use Rx meds)
Liver (Milk thistle, NAC, see cycle support)
Prostate (Saw Palmetto/Beta Sisterol)
Joint Support (if needed Glucosamine/Chondroitin, good to stack something like EQ with Tren to add some joint protection imo).
Something to block prolactin sides (cabergoline/B6)
HCG

That is just my list. The sides I tend to get are:

Hairloss, Night Sweats, Joint Pain (probably from lifting too much), High blood pressure....

And an overall feeling that I am indeed a complete badass.
 
cg4743 said:
Just wanted to know what is recommended to take with the Tren? Not in a stack but for support to protect yourself (BT's, liver etc.). I've been told by some not to worry about anything and just have a good post cycle therapy in place. Which brings me to this, what are some good recommedations for a goog PCT?
Just for the record I'm 35.
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If you’re not experienced with steroids I would avoid tren. As motioned some of the sides are occasionally serous.

As for what you need for sups here it is, a good tight diet and lots of water. That is about it.

If you’re looking for things to help with the sides cycle support is not as good for tren as for other things. The culprit here is the celery seed extract, you don't really want a diuretic of any kind while on tren (for all else it would be my first recommendation). Most everything else in it is good.

Cranberry extract may be good, and with tren I would take ALA in some form.

Running a small amount of HCG during the cycle would not be a bad idea, 250 iu two or three times a week.

A normal PCT with Nolvadex is fine,
 
Skye said:
If you’re not experienced with steroids I would avoid tren. As motioned some of the sides are occasionally serous.

As for what you need for sups here it is, a good tight diet and lots of water. That is about it.

If you’re looking for things to help with the sides cycle support is not as good for tren as for other things. The culprit here is the celery seed extract, you don't really want a diuretic of any kind while on tren (for all else it would be my first recommendation). Most everything else in it is good.

Cranberry extract may be good, and with tren I would take ALA in some form.

Running a small amount of HCG during the cycle would not be a bad idea, 250 iu two or three times a week.

A normal post cycle therapy with Nolvadex is fine,
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whats cranberry help ?
 
Possibly, I feel it also helps my prostate and urinary system. I drink cran ed.
 
Skye said:
Trenbolone Notes.

There has been a lot of threads of late regarding trenbolone (AKA fina, finaplix, tren, finaject, and by the name brand Parabolan) that would indicate that a lot of people are not doing their homework. Trenbolone is NOT a good drug for a beginner or some one that is not a dedicated weight lifter or body builder. It has a lot of side affects and can severely aggregate other side affects from other drugs. It should be used with caution even when used by the experienced. This post is not a comprehensive reference rather it’s meant to be more of a cheat sheet for people that haven’t been doing their homework. As always this post is not meant to do anything but take up bandwidth as I am nobody you should be taking advice from.

What it is.
17β-Hydroxyestra-4, 9, 11-trien-3-one. If the chemical name doesn’t mean anything to you here is the simple version: Trenbolone is a derivative of nandrolone or nandrolone like hormones (Nandrolone Decanoate would but the common version, AKA Deca, its in that same class) that has been sort of squashed in the middle so to speak to modify the properties (actually it has two additional double bonds between certain carbon atoms) that make it act a great deal differently then its parent molecule. For one nandrolone can be aromatize to estrogen or estrogen like compounds where trenbolone can not. It commonly comes in 3 esters, acetate, enanthate, and hexahydrobenzyl carbonate. The weight of trenbolone itself is 270, the esters add on to this with 60 for the acetate, 130 for the enanthate and the hexahydrobenzyl carbonate. This should in theory make for roughly the same half life for the last two and around 36 hours for the acetate. I don’t have any really good information on the half life of the enanthate or the hexahydrobenzyl carbonate but 12 days is probably a good guess (trenbolone is a little more lipophilic the testosterone so I am assuming that it doesn’t go into water as easily, but that is just a rough guess)

Effects.
It’s not called gear of the gods for nothing; it is one of the most potent steroids that is reasonable safe to use. Nice lean gains that are easy to maintain and a strong anti carbolic effect make it a ideal steroid for cutting or bulking and one of the very few drugs that can help you do both at the same time. You can stack it with almost anything but not much is really needed.

Stacking
For cutting purposes stacking “dry” steroids (ones that don’t aromatize to estrogen or the derivatives of.) is advantageous in that trenbolone has certain fat burning effects that are more prominent without estrogen but it’s not necessary. Methenolone will work well (provided you’re rich) and so will proviron as both will help maintain your libido (see side affects). Both are “dry” as they ether inhibit estrogen production or at least don’t promote it. Testosterone will work quit well as well of course. Other items include drostanolone (masteron) and boldenolone (EQ). These tend to be tertiary items however and are used mainly to modify the basic stack (usually testosterone and trenbolone).

For bulking testosterone is hard to beat with trenbolone. There really just isn’t much of a need for any additional items. If your really feel the need the just up your dosage of testosterone, as it is one of the few steroids that you can safely do that with and you will gain more bang for your buck with this basic stack then the complex ones.

You should avoid the following when running trenbolone: any nandrolone product or the derivatives of due to excessive suppression of your system as well as your libido. In addition this may greatly increase in the progestin effects (see side affects). In addition to this I would include almost all orals as they tend to stress your liver and while trenbolone is NOT liver toxic it is harsh and this should be accounted for as a whole. Your body is going to have to work harder and that includes the liver. Stanozolol (winny) should be especially avoided as it tends to be very hard on the joints and trenbolone tends to make you very strong. There is an obvious problem here that a great number of people don’t ether see or care about. The stanozolol/trenbolone stack will make you look like a god but feel like an 80 year old man as well as potentially hurt you. If you absolutely must use an oral I would stick to things like dianabol or the like for bulking. You will get big quick but there is a price.

Side effects.
This is a long list here. All the common side effects except bloating apply here and some unique ones. They include insomnia, dehydration and physiological issues. This last one is not the normal media induced scare tactics. This is a real effect of trenbolone. The effect is described somewhat vaguely, descriptions range form just being irritable to paranoid to just not feel “right” when one it. This is a real effect for many and should be taken into careful consideration when thinking about using trenbolone. As for the insomnia it varies with people and dosage but is more often then not present in some form. The dehydration is a real concern as well. This is not a joke; you can get some serous complications from being dehydrated. The remedy for this is fairly simple if not always easy to do, drink all the water you can.

The term fina **** is not a misnomer; in about 90% of people it WILL cause impotence if ran alone. This is easily avoided provided that you run a reasonable dosage of trenbolone to start with, don’t stack it with other libido killing drugs, and that you add something to the stack to help counter the effects like testosterone or proviron. Note that this is not always 100% effective, sometimes it will just cause the problem and the only solution is to abort the cycle. Note also that some case trenbolone will actually increase the libido, while not common it does happen. When this happens it is not mild ether. This just demonstrates the degree that people can react differently to certain compounds.

Trenbolone has long been suspected of causing some kidney damage. There is not at this time any evidence of trenbolone directly being hard on your kidneys. However being dehydrated IS very hard on your kidneys so I strongly suspect that the two issues are strongly related. It’s not hard to see, most people on cycle are taking excessive amounts of protein, vitamins, and other supplements all of which your kidneys have to get rid of. Combine that with being dehydrated and it’s not hard to see why people could have problems in this area. Again the remedy is simple, just drink lots of water and keep your protein and supplements within reason, most of them are unnecessary anyways.

Gynecomastia is NOT caused by trenbolone but trenbolone WILL aggravate the problem. The mechanisms that cause this are still debated but it is generally agreed that trenbolone is a progestin in its own right and tends to “set up” the conditions for developing gynecomastia. As prevention is covered exstensivley elsewhere I will just state that an ounce of prevention is worth a lot more then a pound of cure when you include cost of the surgery to remove your B****T****.

Dosages
Anywhere from 175mg to 500mg a week with 200 to 400 being the average most any reasonable person would want. Beyond 500mg a week you can expect the sides to increase drastically. Really 25mg a day for a moderate size man beginning on trenbolone is more then enough with 50mg a day for an experienced user. Most of the horror stories one hears is usually the result of misuse rather then use of trenbolone. Running at the dosages above the side will be minimal and gains quite nice. Again if you really need more for some reason then just increase the amount of testosterone in your cycle. That is far safer then running more trenbolone.
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im fairly new on the board, but not new to anabolic s .such as fina i found this very informitive i would like to ask. you said dbol would be one of the best to mix as far as oral steroids what about any new designers to mix in?
 
As far as new designers, I am not Skye, but I would roll with an epi/havoc and tren. I think that would be a killer lean strength gain combo. I would just be careful as the strength increases would be severe, joints and tendons could be causilities. But the mood enhanchment and the leaness of epi-havoc is key.
 
motiv8er said:
As far as new designers, I am not Skye, but I would roll with an epi/havoc and tren. I think that would be a killer lean strength gain combo. I would just be careful as the strength increases would be severe, joints and tendons could be causilities. But the mood enhanchment and the leaness of epi-havoc is key.
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thanks for the input much appreciated
 
motiv8er said:
As far as new designers, I am not Skye, but I would roll with an epi/havoc and tren. I think that would be a killer lean strength gain combo. I would just be careful as the strength increases would be severe, joints and tendons could be causilities. But the mood enhanchment and the leaness of epi-havoc is key.
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thanks for the input much appreciated . i just ordered a bottle of epi but would like to stack h-drol+propadrol+fina just wandering if this sounds decent? the propadrol is non-methyl
 
I used oral tren and it was great no libido loss hell it went through the roof and no acne lost fat put muscle on all in two weeks. best **** ever for me.
 
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