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Trenavar vs Tren E Sides

jphilbeck

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I just want to take a minute to introduce myself as this is my first post on the forums. My name is Jason, I am 32 (6', 178lbs) and have been lifting on and off for around 8 years now. The only anabolic compound I have experience with is oral Trenavar (Estra-4,9,11-triene-3,17-dione) with good results. The two cycles I have done have yielded 10lbs and 8lbs after PCT with some fat loss. I am happy with these results; however, as many of you know Trenavar is expensive to run, especially at 120mg ed, and is becoming increasingly harder to find. I also find the shutdown to be difficult towards the end of week 6 without some sort of test base.

Which brings me to my post.

I am planning a Test E/Tren E cycle and trying to determine the correct dosage for myself. I am wondering since Trenavar is the prohormone to Trenbolone how closely related the sides would be. The main sides I have experienced with oral trenavar have been increased blood pressure, headaches, and low libido (test should help with this). I haven't had any prolactin issues on either cycle just running Trenavar, cycle support, and clomid. I do plan to add Aromasin to this cycle though. I realize Tren Ace is recommended for first timers as it clears the system quicker than Tren E in the case sides are experienced but I don't hate myself enough to want to jab ed or eod just yet. So can I draw some assumptions of what sides to expect from my previous Trenavar use, or not?
 
If this is your first cycle....Do NOT DO TREN!
Run test solo at 500 mg....see how your body responds to the supra physiological hormone levels...
I cant say this enough... pro hormones and pro steroid cycles are fine and all but really this is your first cycle having constant stable blood levels at this level... I have done trenavar, a friend gave me some a while back and I tried it solo for 6 weeks... it's like 100 mg of tren e if that. You will gain plenty off of test solo for 10-12 weeks. Then if you want to continue the lifestyle... run a PCT of HCG starting 2 weeks after your last shot. 2000 iu EOD for 2 weeks. After that, take 50 mg Clomid ED and 25 mg Aromasin EOD for 2 weeks. Then continue the Aromasin at 25 mg EOD for 2 more weeks. Then stay off for another 6 weeks. After that if you want to run another cycle, it's best to do a Test e or cyp base at 500-750 mg stacked with as n anabolic compound like Eq or Deca at 400 mg. That is your next cycle.... tren is then best for a 3rd cycle after the same PCT and off cycle...3rd cycle being test 750 and tren e 200 mg.
I just laid out what would save you a whole lot of wasted time otherwise...
This may not make sense to you but after years of experience I've summarized the best way to get started running gear. I'm sure most vets would agree with this plan...
 
BIG EVIL42 said:
If this is your first cycle....Do NOT DO TREN!
Run test solo at 500 mg....see how your body responds to the supra physiological hormone levels...
I cant say this enough... pro hormones and pro steroid cycles are fine and all but really this is your first cycle having constant stable blood levels at this level... I have done trenavar, a friend gave me some a while back and I tried it solo for 6 weeks... it's like 100 mg of tren e if that. You will gain plenty off of test solo for 10-12 weeks. Then if you want to continue the lifestyle... run a PCT of HCG starting 2 weeks after your last shot. 2000 iu EOD for 2 weeks. After that, take 50 mg Clomid ED and 25 mg Aromasin EOD for 2 weeks. Then continue the Aromasin at 25 mg EOD for 2 more weeks. Then stay off for another 6 weeks. After that if you want to run another cycle, it's best to do a Test e or cyp base at 500-750 mg stacked with as n anabolic compound like Eq or Deca at 400 mg. That is your next cycle.... tren is then best for a 3rd cycle after the same PCT and off cycle...3rd cycle being test 750 and tren e 200 mg.
I just laid out what would save you a whole lot of wasted time otherwise...
This may not make sense to you but after years of experience I've summarized the best way to get started running gear. I'm sure most vets would agree with this plan...
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^^^Agreed. For 1st injectable cycle test only is the best bet. An oral kicker would be okay though since you have some prior ph/ds experience.
 
Jebrook said:
^^^Agreed. For 1st injectable cycle test only is the best bet. An oral kicker would be okay though doing as you have some prior ph/ds experience.
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I agree, you could do an oral on you first test only cycle bc of your past experience but like Jeb rook said use it as a "front loading" design you first 4-6 weeks only.... but honestly, if you are patient it won't make too much of a difference long term as far as net muscle gain goes once you are "off" and done with your PCT
 
Also if you're gonna try tren start with ace because of the shirt water if you have bad sides you can get it out of your system quicker tren E however you'd have to ride that out buddy lol . Just do test E or C with a kicker . It won't disappoint .
 
Thanks for the feedback gentlemen. I will consider the test only cycle, the more I think about it this does seem like the logical thing to do. So when I do get around to tren, is it safe to assume I will react the same as I would running a Trenavar cycle, provided the dosage is the same?
 
jphilbeck said:
Thanks for the feedback gentlemen. I will consider the test only cycle, the more I think about it this does seem like the logical thing to do. So when I do get around to tren, is it safe to assume I will react the same as I would running a Trenavar cycle, provided the dosage is the same?
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Many of the common sides like lethargy, blood pressure, Tren sweats, and aggression/anxiety, decreased cardio health are the same although often more intense with injectable Tren. Usually. Everyone is different. Tren cough seems to be common and unique to injectable Tren.
 
The sides will be much more intense on inj. tren bro.... you are going to have constant stable blood levels of tren in your system and it's much harder to handle than trenavar when I tried it... Definitely try ace before enanthate when you take the plunge just in case the sides are too much for you... with ace you stop and the sides subside in days, with enanthate you are screwed for a few weeks... when you dose too high on tren e the first time and have to ride out the constant anxiety it gives me when too high it's a bitch for sure...weeks feel like months, I went through way too much xanax when it happened to me...lol
 
Thanks for the replies. I will get a cycle of Test E under my belt and go from there. I was hoping to avoid Tren Ace and frequent injections which is why I was questioning the relation in sides but as Evil mentioned I could just go with some Deca on my second run, I'm sure I would be pleased with the results.
 
The only sides I get from tren up to 600mg/wk is,

1. Insomnia
2. Tren cough out the ass each inject which leaves me on the floor gagging for 5 minutes
 
IM Tren killed my dick, Trenavar didn't

didn't really get sides with either
 
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