Tren vs SD/DMZ/Msten (strong designer orals) toxicity (and which would you rather pick from a side effect point of view)?

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Say one wants a dry addition to test. Here are listed some of the strongest options available.

I thought it would be interesting to compare the ultimate harsh injectable to harsh orals, so lets start.


Blood pressure - I guess all can lead to an increase

Cholesterol - all will devastate it however i think orals will do it to a greter degree

Liver stress - tren may or may not stress the liver, but definitely much less than orals

Cardio ability - this will go to trash on tren due to inflammation within respiratory tract, i believe the others wont have nearly the negative effect

kidneys - i believe all will put stress on the kidneys

Mental - i feel like tren being a 19 nor would be tougher, the orals may cause lethargy



Yes i know tren is mostly used as a cutting drug while these orals are used for bulking, but still all of these are strong anabolics with great potential when stacked with test and after all cals dictate bulking/cutting.


Feel free to add other significant side effects you think i missed.

Which one would you rather use, from a side effect point of view? Tren or a strong oral designer?

4-6 weeks duration of use.


Not saying i am planning to use either, as a matrer of fact thinking about never using anything outside test/mast and perhaps test base for a boost, just interested in what would you rather choose, if we were talking from a pure side effect point of view?

Thought it would be interesting to compile some opinions as they seem to differ. To some tren is the devil, others say run from orals and run fast.
 
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The closest youll get to tren or sdrol without using them is test/mast/bold. These 3 should not nearly be as detrimental to arterial hardening and general CV functioning as tren is. Id go as far as saying just test/sdrol will do the trick but if youre like most guys the sides from sdrol can make it miserable.
 
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If you can handle sdrol sides I would probably take it on a bulk. The shin and calf pumps can make cardio awful. But on a bulk where you can throw carbs at it I'd prefer superdrol
 
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If you can handle sdrol sides I would probably take it on a bulk. The shin and calf pumps can make cardio awful. But on a bulk where you can throw carbs at it I'd prefer superdrol
 
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Say one wants a dry addition to test. Here are listed some of the strongest options available.

I thought it would be interesting to compare the ultimate harsh injectable to harsh orals, so lets start.


Blood pressure - I guess all can lead to an increase

Cholesterol - all will devastate it however i think orals will do it to a greter degree

Liver stress - tren may or may not stress the liver, but definitely much less than orals

Cardio ability - this will go to trash on tren due to inflammation within respiratory tract, i believe the others wont have nearly the negative effect

kidneys - i believe all will put stress on the kidneys

Mental - i feel like tren being a 19 nor would be tougher, the orals may cause lethargy



Yes i know tren is mostly used as a cutting drug while these orals are used for bulking, but still all of these are strong anabolics with great potential when stacked with test and after all cals dictate bulking/cutting.


Feel free to add other significant side effects you think i missed.

Which one would you rather use, from a side effect point of view? Tren or a strong oral designer?

4-6 weeks duration of use.


Not saying i am planning to use either, as a matrer of fact thinking about never using anything outside test/mast and perhaps test base for a boost, just interested in what would you rather choose, if we were talking from a pure side effect point of view?

Thought it would be interesting to compile some opinions as they seem to differ. To some tren is the devil, others say run from orals and run fast.
Honestly man, this is the one scenario where I probably would say that the orals (primarily the msten and dmz in this case) would probably be safer because we’re talking tren. I think tren just has the potential for a lot more side effects that you truly notice physically and even psychologically, such as night sweats, insomnia, aggression, reduced cardio, etc.
 
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There is no safe drug. Especially for people like you who have problems even with non aas stuff. With that aproach 'I don't want it to mess with my sleep, mood, lipids, etc' none of the compounds you mentioned will impact you in the way you want. I did joke about Turinabol, but I honestly think it would be good choice for you, since you react so badly to stronger stuff, and Turinabol is such underrated aas. At least for a beginning, I'd recomend that
 

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There is no safe drug. Especially for people like you who have problems even with non aas stuff. With that aproach 'I don't want it to mess with my sleep, mood, lipids, etc' none of the compounds you mentioned will impact you in the way you want. I did joke about Turinabol, but I honestly think it would be good choice for you, since you react so badly to stronger stuff, and Turinabol is such underrated aas. At least for a beginning, I'd recomend that
Well you see, this time around drugs actually helped resolve my symptoms. I no longer feel dizzy all the time and i bo longer suffer from severe orthostatic hypotension since i started low dose test and mk677.

Also, i can actually workout, where before i felt like passing out after only a few sets, so yes drugs can help.


However, if you are implying that these strong drugs are not the best choice for me i wholeheartedly agree, and good physiques can be built without them.

Stuff like test, primo, mast, tbol and anavar...that is the stuff for people like me.



@AnabolicGuru yeah i thought that while orals would be harsher on the body, tren may be worse for the psyche
It would be really interesting to dig deeper and find out what is really qbout the tren that makes it impsct the psyche so much.
Is it the fact that it is a strong non aromatizeable androgen? Fact that it decreases serotonin? Why does test makes us feel so good while tren doesnt? It may be simple as the answer for why test with crashed estro slso makes us feel sucky and anxious, kinda similar.

A lot of questions to be answered.

Btw night sweats from tren are a direct consequence of tren's de nuovo lipogenesis inhibition and nutrient partitioning.


And the actual reason why i posted auestion was because i asked in a previous thread what could i add for 4 weeks to test and people were like "msten" or "dmz" and i was like in my mind "well if i am to run that stuff i may as well run tren and have hdl in my 20s and 30s and not single digits and avoid liver stress")

Kind expected people to sugtest perhaps dbol, tbol...similsr to what @Alchemist11 suggested
 
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Sd crushes my cholesterol. I'm thinking about dienolone.
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