Tren/Prop Cycle Advice

Izzmeister

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What's up guys....I have been lurking this forum for a few weeks and have been doing some research. I found this site to have the most complete answers and find the gurus on here to be very knowledgeable, kudos to you guys. Let me explain what I'm planning to do and what my history is....

I am 33 yrs old and have done 2 cycles in my life. 1st cycle at 21 was Equipoise and Winny amps. Nothing crazy just 400 mg week of Equipoise and Winny eod. Whatever the dose is on amps, I think its 50ml?

Next cycle was at 24 and it was Sustanon 250 at 500 mg a week, 200 mg week of Primo and a jug of Winny V. Got some pretty good results there. No pct for any one of these cycles, the internet was not as popular as it is now so knowledge was obscure. Fast forward to now:

33 yrs old
215 lbs
15 - 17 % BF
Existing Thyroid condition(Hypothyroidism) Synthroid .112mcg x dly

I have been back to the gym now for a few weeks and am losing some BF with cardio and low carb dieting....nothink too crazy but down from 230 in about 4 weeks. I am going to run a Tren Prop cycle and need some advice.

I need some opinions, my goal is to shed as much BF as possible and grow a good bit. I would be happy at around 195-200 rock solid with a BF somewhere around 7-9%. I plan to accomplish this with nthe following cycle sometime starting in early May:

wk 1-8 300mg/Tren Ace EOD(75 mg)
wk 1-10 400mg Prop EOD(100 mg)

PCT:
Nolvadex 3 days after last shot
4 wks at 20mg dly for a month
DHEA 100mg capsules for 90 days

My questions/concerns are the following:
My reasoning for taking the Nolvadex is ti fight off possible gyno and to aid in my body's natural test production. I have read that Nolvadex not only blocks the estrogen receptors(SERM) but also helps you produce more test naturally. What I am scared of is that the tren builds alot of prolactin and if I use Nolvadex I could possibly make it worse if gyno was to be prolactin related. Should i include an AI? I don't think I may need it. What do I run for a test booster? I was figuring DHEA for the simple fact that on 50mg dly my libido is amazing and I generally feel like a million bux on it. Can you guys point me in the right direction with the cycle and pct please?

I am also concerned that the Tren will mess with my thyroid since it hinders T4 production by as much as 50%. The last thing I want is my thyroid spinning out of control after said cycle and I gain 50 lbs!!! I could sure use some input. I have 2 friends on a cyle just like this and their results are amazing. I just want to be really lean or as lean as possible and gain some good size. 5'10" at 200-205 with a 7-9% BF sounds great to me. Please don't flame me foor the Tren use, I have done some research and at 300mg a week it should not be so bad. The prop is not that crazy either at 400mg a week. I just want to get off the cycle as smoothly as possible and am a little confused on PCT. I feel like my PCT is missing something....don't I have to worry about cortisol? Any input will be greatly appreciated....this forum has given me alot of info....you guys are very knowledgeable and experienced.

Thanks in advance....

-Izzy
 
Dhea has a tendency to convert to estrogen pretty freely, I'd probably drop that and go with a test booster like DAA instead. I've heard bad things about nolva with prolactin sides, so you might have better luck with torem and/or clomid instead. I had great luck with a combo personally.

You'll also want cabergoline on hand in case you get prolactin sides. You may need to run this on cycle too. Having exemstane for on cycle would be a good idea in case you start to get estrogen sides.

I also like to use erase during the end of PCT to prevent rebound gyno.
 
Thank you for your response srblan, so what should my pct look like? How does the cycle look to everyone else? Should I worry about cortisol and some aromatization? Sorry for all the somewhat noob questions. I just want to make sure I do this correctly....Thanks!
Anyone else chime in pls...
 
srblan said:
Dhea has a tendency to convert to estrogen pretty freely, I'd probably drop that and go with a test booster like DAA instead. I've heard bad things about nolva with prolactin sides, so you might have better luck with torem and/or clomid instead. I had great luck with a combo personally.

You'll also want cabergoline on hand in case you get prolactin sides. You may need to run this on cycle too. Having exemstane for on cycle would be a good idea in case you start to get estrogen sides.

I also like to use erase during the end of PCT to prevent rebound gyno.
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I totally agree. I'd definitely use clomid for pct.

I'd do this:

Clomid 100/50/50/50
Exemestane 12.5/12.5/12.5/12.5
DAA 3/3/3/3
Something for cortisol
 
What's DAA? This is a pretty small cycle, nothing too crazy. What do I do for test axis to get back in line? Any recommendations?
 
DAA stands for D-Aspartic Acid, its a proven test booster, cheap and very effective. Clomid is gonna help restart u bro, that's the main reason its used as restart protocol for older men.
 
Thank u for the advice, almost got this cycle down packed. My worries are the gyno and the exemstne.....how do I know if I need to run it? I hope I don't get half these sides....what about the cabergoline? Run that when i start to see what? Seems like juicing was easier when I was younger....lol
I guess ignorance is bliss
 
Your test dose is low u should b golden running something like .25mg EOD of arimidex. Your nipples will start getting puffy if prolactin rises, that's when u run the caber, or u can just run it from the start. I'd run exemestane during your pct of course.
 
Ok, so while on cycle if nips get puffy run the caber. How do I run it and for how long if needed? I read its some sort of a sex enhancing drug? Kinda like ecstacy, it does something with dopamine? The armidex i run while on cycle until when? If u dont mind, could u run me thru this cycle including pct and on cycle what to dos...thanks a mil. U seem to know what ur talking about and ur obviously shredded so Im gonna foolow what u tell me. Thanks again man, I really wanna do this right and not end up with bitch tits or depressed or something.
 
3 grams everyday usually for 4 weeks starting at the beginning of your pct. Caps or powder it doesn't matter really.
 
So to re-cap, the cycle is relatively mild. Start normally, if nips get sore user caber during cycle. After cycle stop caber and use pct consisting of:
DAA
Clomid
Extremsene

Questions: Is armidex needed? How much caber to run during cycle? Does this cycle need any tweaking?
 
Arimidex .25mg EOD on cycle along with .5mg of Caber EOD. In your pct I would throw in something for cortisol also. Other than that everything looks gtg boss.
 
Ok so I can get the AI and the all the other stuff online right? I'm a little conf with dosages. I've read in other forums that .25mg eod is less than .5g everyday? That makes no sense....if I do get gyno how do I know whats causing it? Thanks again Str8ed....the more I read the more I get confused. So much all over the net....my buddy just did this same cycle for 9 weeks and has had 0 side effects....granted hes 25. Pct will likely be not all that great, he took 300mg wk of prop instead.
 
Izzmeister said:
Ok so I can get the AI and the all the other stuff online right? I'm a little conf with dosages. I've read in other forums that .25mg eod is less than .5g everyday? That makes no sense....if I do get gyno how do I know whats causing it? Thanks again Str8ed....the more I read the more I get confused. So much all over the net....my buddy just did this same cycle for 9 weeks and has had 0 side effects....granted hes 25. Pct will likely be not all that great, he took 300mg wk of prop instead.
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Yes .25mg EOD is less than .5mg ED, u should b fine though. U will not get gyno running an AI and caber, plus your doses r low bro. Yes this cycle isn't crazy, that's why he was side effect free, don't worry bro you'll b fine.
 
Izzmeister said:
So to re-cap, the cycle is relatively mild. Start normally, if nips get sore user caber during cycle. After cycle stop caber and use pct consisting of:
DAA
Clomid
Extremsene

Questions: Is armidex needed? How much caber to run during cycle? Does this cycle need any tweaking?
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Run nolva with clomid as tren is a bitch to recover from. Use caber from the get go as you don't want big puffy nipples

Dr.Stri8ed said:
Arimidex .25mg EOD on cycle along with .5mg of Caber EOD. In your pct I would throw in something for cortisol also. Other than that everything looks gtg boss.
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Caber's half-life is pretty long for an oral and it's prolactin inhibition is very strong so you don't have to take it very often, twice a week should do it.

Also, you need 4-6 weeks off of tren before you start pct, so I would extend your prop usage another 4 weeks, 6 being better. Tren has active metabolites that hang around for months, but after 6 weeks recovery is much easier. I learned this the hard way last time I used tren. Ran it right up into pct and my pct was absolute hell. Acetate ester is also very short and should be injected every day to avoid sides. You may be able to handle eod, but to me risking tren sides are not worth it.
 
I agree. A lot of ppl aren't willing to pin ED though, but its better for stable blood levels with prop and tren ace.
 
Ok guys, I have all my gear. Excited as a mofo....gonna start mid may so my BF is at a more desirable level and get better results. Question, I was sourcing caber and Arimidex, that stuff is def not cheap at all. Do u guys think its a def need to run on cycle. I understand running it if i experience sides. Also, If i do get some gyno sides I read that if its prolactin the nips will leak if squeezed. If they dont leak its test so take armidex. If i were to get some sore nips or leaking do i stop the culprit or do i continue with my cycle and just control the side effect with caber and or armidex for the gyno? And if i do run them how does that change my pct? Or just run it all the way until pct(caber and or armidex)?
Thanks guys...my gear is rogue labs stuff and its bad ass. Gotta love miami for all underground things....lol
 
You'd control the problem with caber and arimidex if u do experience sides, but at your doses I'm sure u will b fine bro. U can run the arimidex all the way up to your pct and of course you'll stop caber when you're done with tren.
 
Ok so im finally ready to start this monday. Had to go away for work for a bit....put on just a little bf. I have the gear but not the caber. I got some anastazole which is generic arimidex in 1mg pills. So figure its just as good, i cut them into 4 pieces and take a quarter eod(.25mg)
The caber is crazy expensive....I figure if I get puffy nips or any gyno it cant be from the prop bc im taking an ai so if that happens run out and get the caber. Its really really expensive....other than that im ready to go. What do u guys do for weekends? I drink like a fish....can i still get hammered only on fri and sat? Or will it really hurt me? Asking cuz 10 weeks or more with no alcohol??? Thats ruff...im no athlete just wanna get back in shape and stay that way keeping the alcohol only for weekends....gonna take milk thistle or what do u recommend for liver help so the hard liquor wont hurt me on weekends....thanks guys this forum is awesome....
 
Ok so im finally ready to start this monday. Had to go away for work for a bit....put on just a little bf. I have the gear but not the caber. I got some anastazole which is generic arimidex in 1mg pills. So figure its just as good, i cut them into 4 pieces and take a quarter eod(.25mg)
The caber is crazy expensive....I figure if I get puffy nips or any gyno it cant be from the prop bc im taking an ai so if that happens run out and get the caber. Its really really expensive....other than that im ready to go. What do u guys do for weekends? I drink like a fish....can i still get hammered only on fri and sat? Or will it really hurt me? Asking cuz 10 weeks or more with no alcohol??? Thats ruff...im no athlete just wanna get back in shape and stay that way keeping the alcohol only for weekends....gonna take milk thistle or what do u recommend for liver help so the hard liquor wont hurt me on weekends....thanks guys this forum is awesome.....
 
Izzmeister said:
Ok so im finally ready to start this monday. Had to go away for work for a bit....put on just a little bf. I have the gear but not the caber. I got some anastazole which is generic arimidex in 1mg pills. So figure its just as good, i cut them into 4 pieces and take a quarter eod(.25mg)
The caber is crazy expensive....I figure if I get puffy nips or any gyno it cant be from the prop bc im taking an ai so if that happens run out and get the caber. Its really really expensive....other than that im ready to go. What do u guys do for weekends? I drink like a fish....can i still get hammered only on fri and sat? Or will it really hurt me? Asking cuz 10 weeks or more with no alcohol??? Thats ruff...im no athlete just wanna get back in shape and stay that way keeping the alcohol only for weekends....gonna take milk thistle or what do u recommend for liver help so the hard liquor wont hurt me on weekends....thanks guys this forum is awesome....
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I'd really limit your alcohol on cycle bro, it destroys muscle tissue. Get caber research, its like 40 bucks bro.
 
Ok, gonna look for caber but its tough to find. Thanks...alcohol maybe just fridays....i gotta live, lol. So caber is cheap...email me stuff4sale305@gmail
 
Alcohol is for injection prep only not consumption just kidding but seriously why work all week to look and feel good to just pour poison n ur body
 
The way I see it, if you're going to adopt a lifestyle that includes steroid use, then there is no room for luxuries such as alcohol while on cycle at least. Don't be so foolish or take it lightly my friend. It should be one or the other
 
You guys are right....no drinking on cycle for me. Took my first shot of tren and prop yesterday....holy s&$t! It did not let me sleep all nite plus anxiety....what can I do so it lets me sleep? Take a sleeping pill or something? It kept waking me up every hour and I had some mild anxiety....made me think of all sorts of crap. As for thyroid issues....does tren mess with thyroid function? I have hypothyroidism and take .112mcg of synthroid daily...will I need something else during cycle or pct for thyroid? Def dont wanna throw it outta whack! As for drinking....when is ok? I only drink on weekends anyways maybe fri or sat on a boat. Can I drink on pct or after pct I should wait? Thanks guys....
 
Maybe some melatonin for the sleep issue. I don't know how much you can actually do, tren is notorious for 'tren sweats' and keeping you up. Hopefully someone who has used tren will give you an idea other than melatonin. But I really responded bc youre still set on alcohol use around your cycle. Pct is a part of your cycle and a horrible time to drink. It destroys muscle tissue, dehydrates you, flushes nutrients from body tissue, stops protein synthesis, elevates liver values and it will plummet test levels and raise estro levels. These are all completely counterproductive to a cycle and especially pct when you're trying to keep gains. If you're gonna use roids, suck it up and keep away from the booze until the cycle is completely finished.
 
Jbranken said:
Maybe some melatonin for the sleep issue. I don't know how much you can actually do, tren is notorious for 'tren sweats' and keeping you up. Hopefully someone who has used tren will give you an idea other than melatonin. But I really responded bc youre still set on alcohol use around your cycle. Pct is a part of your cycle and a horrible time to drink. It destroys muscle tissue, dehydrates you, flushes nutrients from body tissue, stops protein synthesis, elevates liver values and it will plummet test levels and raise estro levels. These are all completely counterproductive to a cycle and especially pct when you're trying to keep gains. If you're gonna use roids, suck it up and keep away from the booze until the cycle is completely finished.
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X2...Pct is the most crucial part of cycling.
 
Agreed...no alcohol until way after its all said and done. Any advice for the tren sides? 1st shot already kicking my ass...maybe ease into it? Less tren a week until I can tolerate a little better? Im at 300mg a week eod pins
 
Izzmeister said:
Agreed...no alcohol until way after its all said and done. Any advice for the tren sides? 1st shot already kicking my ass...maybe ease into it? Less tren a week until I can tolerate a little better? Im at 300mg a week eod pins
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Go ED instead of EOD or just bump the dose down.
 
Going to try the same dose tomorrow and a unisom after workout....not punking out yet. If it gets bad then yeah I guess bump it down....maybe caber will help?
 
Izzmeister said:
Going to try the same dose tomorrow and a unisom after workout....not punking out yet. If it gets bad then yeah I guess bump it down....maybe caber will help?
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Yeah caber should help.
 
Jbranken said:
Maybe some melatonin for the sleep issue. I don't know how much you can actually do, tren is notorious for 'tren sweats' and keeping you up. Hopefully someone who has used tren will give you an idea other than melatonin. But I really responded bc youre still set on alcohol use around your cycle. Pct is a part of your cycle and a horrible time to drink. It destroys muscle tissue, dehydrates you, flushes nutrients from body tissue, stops protein synthesis, elevates liver values and it will plummet test levels and raise estro levels. These are all completely counterproductive to a cycle and especially pct when you're trying to keep gains. If you're gonna use roids, suck it up and keep away from the booze until the cycle is completely finished.
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this^ every. single. time.
 
Being that I have hypothyroidism and take synthroid .112mcg daily im a but concerned with my thyroid after cycle. Should I take something to help my thyroid out during pct? Or just keep taking the same dose of synthroid and it should be back to normal? I know if i get it checked my tsh might be outga whack or t3 t4 levels.....just wondering if anyone has hypothyroidism and how to get things back to normal during pct....and for cortisol what should i take during pct? thanks a bunch!

Pct:
Clomid
HCG
Exemestane
DAA
 
I can't handle the TSH issue, maybe u could bump the dose up during pct cuz tren will take a toll. Run hcg on cycle 250ius 2x a week E3D, not during pct it will suppress u further. I'd run some Reduce XT or Lean Xtreme for cortisol.
 
Question: i just got the caber in the mail from manpower. It looks like some dusty capsules somebody made in their backyard....not to mention it has all kinds of warnings on the bag....poison, etc. thats all legal bs right? I can take 1 capsule every 3 days no prob? Im new to getting this stuff and am worried....sorry for all the noob questions....thanks again bro
 
Izzmeister said:
Question: i just got the caber in the mail from manpower. It looks like some dusty capsules somebody made in their backyard....not to mention it has all kinds of warnings on the bag....poison, etc. thats all legal bs right? I can take 1 capsule every 3 days no prob? Im new to getting this stuff and am worried....sorry for all the noob questions....thanks again bro
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Lol you'll b fine that stuff is all for legal purposes.
 
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