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Tren or deca

shakenblake

shakenblake

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I am looking to run a cycle with the goal of lean bulk and some nice size (as little fat as possible) for about 12 weeks.

25 yrs old
248 lbs
Around 13-14 % bf and don't want any higher
Got a few cycles with test and anavar and tren ace (5 weeks as eod injections sucked)

Plan is:

Test e 750 ew
Deca 600 ew or tren e 600
Anadrol 50mg ed weeks 1-4
Hcg 500iu ew

Pct is nolva and clomid with dad and natty test booster for 6 weeks

My question is what experiences you guys have with deca or tren and what you reccomend

Thanks bros
 
I've never run tren but I can say you can definitely lean bulk on deca. Dial in your AI, anti prolactin and diet and you're gonna be really happy with the results. You might want to up it to 16 weeks though. It's a long ester. I planned my current test/deca blast for 12 and it didn't seem to really kick til week 7ish. Some respond faster though
 
DTA said:
I've never run tren but I can say you can definitely lean bulk on deca. Dial in your AI, anti prolactin and diet and you're gonna be really happy with the results. You might want to up it to 16 weeks though. It's a long ester. I planned my current test/deca blast for 12 and it didn't seem to really kick til week 7ish. Some respond faster though
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So you saw nice size and strength gains I take it? What results did you have with size, strength, bf, and what did you keep post cycle?
 
shakenblake said:
So you saw nice size and strength gains I take it? What results did you have with size, strength, bf, and what did you keep post cycle?
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I'm on week 9 now at test and Deca 500/500 and up about 10 pretty lean lbs. I'm only eating a slight surplus, about 250-300 calories a day. Strength is going up nicely. Adding 10lbs a week on all compounds for 5x5. And my joints feel great. I can't complain
 
Test e 750 or whatever you tolerate and want, tren e 600 and equipoise 750 min' and 1.2 gr max' and no anadrol. That is my idea. And with your idea i'll do test e 750 deca 600 and anadrol 100 mg day or 50 dbol 50 anadrol day 6weeks and the test and deca 14 weeks at least. Peace!
 
corinthians said:
Test e 750 or whatever you tolerate and want, tren e 600 and equipoise 750 min' and 1.2 gr max' and no anadrol. That is my idea. And with your idea i'll do test e 750 deca 600 and anadrol 100 mg day or 50 dbol 50 anadrol day 6weeks and the test and deca 14 weeks at least. Peace!
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Mic drop lol. Sounds good... both of those same end result? Why you like tren better for something like this? I take it the eq and tren will be dry maintainable gains
 
No tren test equipoise will be longer cycle and insane look. Dense hard vascular. The look whats everybody loves. The other combo you will look like a ballon hahaha but so big, nice strength and so full. And you can take what you want, you never mantain and look like on cycle. You will lose but thats the price to pay for cycle. Thats the reason why i blast and cruise. Peace!
 
corinthians said:
No tren test equipoise will be longer cycle and insane look. Dense hard vascular. The look whats everybody loves. The other combo you will look like a ballon hahaha but so big, nice strength and so full. And you can take what you want, you never mantain and look like on cycle. You will lose but thats the price to pay for cycle. Thats the reason why i blast and cruise. Peace!
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I've always thought about doing something like that... how do you blast and cruise... I imagine coming off would be more than difficult
 
I like tren ace the best,
- My sex drive is thru the roof
- low test/higher tren but even using tren not much is needed since its a strong substance
- no acne
- does not convert to estrogen
- more strenght, leaner
- shorter cycle, quick results. Quicker recovery

Deca gave me mass, but made me look like a piggy lol
- had to run larger amounts of test
- acne everywhere
- bloated
- AI needed and prolactin control needed EOD
- Longer cycle, means more shutdown

This is my experince, may vary with others.. but i prefer Tren... deca might be alot less toxic than tren tho. With tren my bp does bounce around and with deca it didnt..


Right now im running tren/test for second time. Happy camper ;)

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livestrong82 said:
I like tren ace the best,
- My sex drive is thru the roof
- low test/higher tren but even using tren not much is needed since its a strong substance
- no acne
- does not convert to estrogen
- more strenght, leaner
- shorter cycle, quick results. Quicker recovery

Deca gave me mass, but made me look like a piggy lol
- had to run larger amounts of test
- acne everywhere
- bloated
- AI needed and prolactin control needed EOD
- Longer cycle, means more shutdown

This is my experince, may vary with others.. but i prefer Tren... deca might be alot less toxic than tren tho. With tren my bp does bounce around and with deca it didnt..


Right now im running tren/test for second time. Happy camper ;)

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This helped a ton, thanks man. I was looking for experiences... did that water weight (piggy experience) go away after? And how were mass gains from tren? Ideally I want more size, just don't wanna look like a water balloon
 
The bloating from deca can be controlled by taking the correct amount of AI and diet, and does go away once off cycle of course. But it means i need to buy more of AI, prolactin control, test, and deca. And run it longer..

With the tren i take Ai 0.25mg every 3 to 4days
And prolactin control 0.167mg every 3 days
And use less mgs of gear. Shorter cycle.
Leaner gains..

The tren gains are good i like em more than deca myself personally.

If u want more mass deff go with deca and run 16weeks..

If u want lean size, more strenght go with tren.
And run 8-10weeks on short ester.. 12-16week on long ester. Just be easy with tren some ppl cant handle the sides
 
livestrong82 said:
The bloating from deca can be controlled by taking the correct amount of AI and diet, and does go away once off cycle of course. But it means i need to buy more of AI, prolactin control, test, and deca. And run it longer..

With the tren i take Ai 0.25mg every 3 to 4days
And prolactin control 0.167mg every 3 days
And use less mgs of gear. Shorter cycle.
Leaner gains..

The tren gains are good i like em more than deca myself personally.

If u want more mass deff go with deca and run 16weeks..

If u want lean size, more strenght go with tren.
And run 8-10weeks on short ester.. 12-16week on long ester. Just be easy with tren some ppl cant handle the sides
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So you're saying more muscle and size gains = deca and tren is more for leaning out with the slow steady gain? Why not combine both? Like say 400-600 tren and 200 deca for the benefits
 
livestrong82 said:
The bloating from deca can be controlled by taking the correct amount of AI and diet, and does go away once off cycle of course. But it means i need to buy more of AI, prolactin control, test, and deca. And run it longer..

With the tren i take Ai 0.25mg every 3 to 4days
And prolactin control 0.167mg every 3 days
And use less mgs of gear. Shorter cycle.
Leaner gains..

The tren gains are good i like em more than deca myself personally.

If u want more mass deff go with deca and run 16weeks..

If u want lean size, more strenght go with tren.
And run 8-10weeks on short ester.. 12-16week on long ester. Just be easy with tren some ppl cant handle the sides
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Deca would mean bigger, not fatter, right? Whereas tren would make me lean and give the look that I'm bigger
 
Yea pretty much, but tren gives me alot more strenght than deca, even with less size.

And combining both is possible but a lot of negative side effects may come along with that..

Everyone is diffrent, so just try one at a time and see what u like
 
livestrong82 said:
Yea pretty much, but tren gives me alot more strenght than deca, even with less size.

And combining both is possible but a lot of negative side effects may come along with that..

Everyone is diffrent, so just try one at a time and see what u like
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So I think I'm gonna go tren because this way at least I can gain some size while staying lean.

750 test e
675 tren e
Anadrol
Hcg 500 iu ew
Aromasin when needed but 12.5 every 3 days if estrogen pops up
Caber .25 ew

Or should tren be higher? For mass gains?
 
Yea i would keep tren at least 100mg higher than test. Let tren do most of the work.. maybe test 400 and tren 500 or 600..

Man those are high levels of gear lol you will get crazy gains

I run test 250 and tren 300 to 350 weekly and get good results lol im running short esters tho
 
livestrong82 said:
Yea i would keep tren at least 100mg higher than test. Let tren do most of the work.. maybe test 400 and tren 500 or 600..

Man those are high levels of gear lol you will get crazy gains

I run test 250 and tren 300 to 350 weekly and get good results lol im running short esters tho
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Is libido an issue with high tren or are you good?
 
livestrong82 said:
U will have an extra leg with higher tren lol
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Lmao well that's fine with me, also last 2 questions...

If run deca with tren...

1. Is the fullness i hear about referring to intramuscular water and glycogen fullness? Like "the pump" fullness

2. Would I experience this if I ran 250 deca with this cycle for joint help as well and would it be okay too (I mean are there any issues with it and tren together, I already have caber on hand)
 
Never ran Deca but I can speak on my tren experience and put my 2 cents in to you.

I ran 250mg test cyp a week and tren ace at 100mg eod. Libido was high, strength was average for me, hardness and muscle density was awesome. Little to no water retintion. Ran adex at .5mg e3d and caber at .5mg 2x a week. Only got sides when I upped the tren to 600mg a week, quickly went back to 400mg wk due to blood sugar issues, insomnia, blood pressure and night sweats.

My advice to you, run tren ace and pin eod. Sure it may suck pinning that much but it'll kick in faster, blood levels will be stable, and if you get any terrible sides you won't have to wait 2 weeks for it to subside. And start low in the 400mg range. More isn't always better.

Good luck with your cycle!
 
I've ran Tren; The Sides are and will be noticeable but if you're looking to get shredded there will be no comparison between the two. I've heard great things about both of them; When I deployed I did a straight Tren for the amount of time you are speaking of. The results were insane to be conservative.
 
ValorOfOne said:
I've ran Tren; The Sides are and will be noticeable but if you're looking to get shredded there will be no comparison between the two. I've heard great things about both of them; When I deployed I did a straight Tren for the amount of time you are speaking of. The results were insane to be conservative.
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Why do some run higher test than tren? Is one way for mass and higher tren is cutting?
 
Yes the fullness will be like a pump/water retention fullness on deca.. but uf your bodyfat is low u might be ok with diet in check.

And combing both is possible just keep estrogen levels good and prolactin..

Try what u want and see how it goes. But i would run short esters of tren incase u get bad sides. Everyone is diffrent.

Some run test higher some do lower, just listen to your body and see how u react to diff compunds/mgs.

I would pick tren ace/test p over deca anyday but thats just me
 
Didn't enjoy tren, felt like I was going to rip out of my skin. Cardio was ****.
Decca was wonderful, became very thick and strong. Joints were perfect the entire way through.
 
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