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Tren, Msten, and Stano Log

Today's back and bicep workout

Lat Pulldowns
120,120,120,120
20,15,15,12
Close Grip Lat Pulldowns
120,120,120,120
18,13,12,12
Seated Cable Rows
120,120,120,120
15,15,16,15
Stiff Legged Deadlift
185,185,185
12,12,10
Bent Over Rows
155,155,155,155
15,12,12,15
BB Curls
50,50,50,50
16,12,12,13 Close, Close, Far, Far
DB Curls
40,35,30,25
12,10,14,18
Seated Hammer Curls
30,30,30,30
16,16,12,8
Seated Curl Machine It just had one 45 plate on it.
45,45,45,45
8,4,5,8

I supersetted these last two if that's what you want to call it, I just went back and forth between them each set.
 
Day 23

I took 12.5mg of Exemestane last night and also upped my calories to 4000. I don't plan on having any off days these last couple weeks and I'm gonna try and do cardio a couple times a week. I woke up 3 pounds lighter this morning even though I upped my calories. I ate atleast that many calories today, so we will see where I'm at tomorrow. I will post today's workout tomorrow when I have more time.
 
So I miss counted my Cycle Assist and only have a couple days left. I may be out of it for a couple days. How bad is that and should I pick anything up locally until then? I don't have anything around here other than Walmarts and stuff like that and GNC. I don't think GNC has any cycle support type products.
 
Yesterdays chest, tricep, and shoulder work out.

Pec Dec Flies
130,130,130,100
15,15,11,20
DB Bench
60,65,70,50
12,8,8,12
Verticle Chest Press
120,120,120,80
20,15,15,30
Low Cable Crossovers
40,40,40,40
10,10,10,12
OHP
70,70,70,70
20,13,12,12
Side Cable Raises
20,20,20,20
12,12,10,12 each arm
Rear Delt Machine
80,80,80,80
10,12,12,12
Rope Pushdowns
60,70,80,90
20,15,15,12
Cable Kickbacks
10,10,10
18,15,20 each arm
Shrugs
300,300,300,300
15,15,15,12
 
Day 24

I woke up at 208.6 pounds this morning. Weight has been up and down lately. I'm taking another dose of Exemestane tonight, could it affect my weight when I wake up or would it not make me lose water that fast? Either way I'd rather my weight not include water, but it is a little disappointing waking up lighter than the day before. My calories yesterday were probably closer to 4500. I did not really feel fatter this morning though.

Today's leg workout with some back and bicep stuff too. That's the most weight I've ever done on leg press, even though it's pretty pathetic. I was trying to not tire my legs out on the beginning sets so I didn't do too many reps. I think I am gonna do some chest again tomorrow, even though I have upper body on Monday.

Leg Press The machines starting weight isn't calculated in to these, but I think it may be about 20 pounds.
90,180,270,360,450,500,540,590,630,360,270
8,6,6,5,4,3,6,3,2,12,12
Leg Extensions
90,90
30,20
Seated Leg Curls
70,70
30,20
Hack Slide Calf Raises
180,270,270,270,180,180,180
30,20,25,20,30,30,15
Machine Verticle Rows
100,110,120,130,140
15,15,12,10,10
Machine Seated Bicep Curls
90-60
5 Sets
Cable Crunches
100-160
6 sets

Then I did some light cardio on the bike for a total of 6 minutes, I got bored so I stopped.
 
Some pictures to update on how fat I am.. They are in order from oldest to newest, top one was about a week or so ago, and the bottom four are from today. There are filters to try and cover up how white I am.

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Good pics brother, looking solid. Exemestane always flushes me out within like 12 hours. If I took 25mg at bedtime I would wake up in the middle of the night with the longest pee, and then a couple more in the morning. So for me it absolutely worked fast to eliminate water.
 
How is your bp? I had nose bleed probs with dbol and bp. Cycle supp in a pinch,GNC has NAC. Walmart for hawthorne berry,milk thistle etc.
 
Dma378 said:
Good pics brother, looking solid. Exemestane always flushes me out within like 12 hours. If I took 25mg at bedtime I would wake up in the middle of the night with the longest pee, and then a couple more in the morning. So for me it absolutely worked fast to eliminate water.
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Yeah I woke up a couple times and had to pee, I'm not real sure on the quality of the Exemestane, I've never used it before so I have nothing to compare it to. I always have to pee in the middle of the night though, I just usually ignore it and go back to sleep. Lol one day I'm gonna pee the bed. I woke up at 208 pounds again this morning.

wicked442 said:
How is your bp? I had nose bleed probs with dbol and bp. Cycle supp in a pinch,GNC has NAC. Walmart for hawthorne berry,milk thistle etc.
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Blood pressure has been okay the past couple days, I haven't had anymore nose bleeds after the first two. Headaches haven't really been there or that bad. I haven't felt like it was bad enough so I have not checked it. I don't think they are very accurate anyways since I don't have 14" arms.
 
When is a safe time after a cycle to start cutting? That's one thing I really need to do, I just have no idea how to go about it successfully or if I would have the willpower or patience to do it naturally.. How stupid of an idea or waste of money is it to get a coach without ever having the intentions of competing?
 
Day 26

I weighed 211 pounds this morning when I woke up. At this point I'm aiming for 4000 calories and if I go over I'm not too worried about it, but I'm not gonna be hitting 5000 calories a day every day or anything. I'm starting to think about my next cycle and I'm wanting to cut on it I think, but I'm not sure on what to run. I don't have a source for Test so it looks like I may be using Dermacrine as my base until I can find a source. I'm not sure what else though for a cut. I hate the idea of losing size, especially since I'm still super small.
 
nbshazeezee said:
So are you just gonna remain high cal the rest of the cycle?
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Yeah I think so, as long as I'm not putting on any noticeable fat. I'm pretty surprised so far at the lack if side effects. I figured running Msten and Tren one of them was bound to give me something worse than some back pumps and high blood pressure every once in a while.
 
Well I paid extra for faster shipping so I could get my Cycle Assist in, just for Nutraplanet to take 2 days to even process the order.
 
Day 28

I have weighed in at 210.4 the past two days. I just did some bench work today. Strength on bench is terrible now, 255 was pretty hard. I want to start doing it again, but I stopped to better focus on my right pec as it is noticeably smaller than my left. I can especially tell while benching. It's starting to get frustrating. Any tips on bringing one side up or why one side sucks on barbell bench? I'm about to just not train my left pec for a couple months.

Also does anyone have a good split or program I should follow post cycle? My plan is to drop the volume and just move as much weight as possible. I really wish I had a few people I was close with that were competitors or trainers so I could really step everything up, I can't really afford to pay one.
 
Day 29

I had a pretty good day and workout today. I upped Stano to 1050mg today. I weighed 210.8 this morning. I always get a great forearm pump on back and bicep day, I just wish they would grow. I finally got some more Cycle Assist in today, I haven't taken any since Sunday and I surprisingly haven't had any worse side effects, maybe more back pumps but I don't think that's from the lack of support. I started logging my work outs on my phone now instead of a book which is a lot easier, and will make it a lot easier to post. I will do it here in a little bit.
 
Lat Pulldown
120-20,16,12,15
Seated Verticle Row
70-15,12,15,20
Seated Cable Row
110-18,14,14,
Bent Over Row
135-15,12,10,10
Stiff legged Deadlift
185-10,10,10
Dumbell Curl
30-20,20,12,16
Seated Dumbell Curl
20-20,20,20
Seated Machine Curl
60-10,12,10,10,
50-12
 
Day 30

I'm still stuck at 210 pounds. I've been eating 4000-4500 calories a day. I took today off. I'm up a little over 10 pounds since the beginning, with no noticeable fat gain, some days I feel leaner and some I feel super fat though, mostly when sitting down and leaning over I can feel my stomach hanging over my pants.. lol

I am kinda thinking about eating at maintenance this last week or so and try to lose some bodyfat, I'm not sure on if this is a good idea or not though. Will I keep everything I've gotten so far if I do that? Could I even lose a decent amount in that time frame for it to be worth it? My other plans would be keep calories the same now or up them close to 5000 and see if I can put on anymore weight. It's hard enough now to get 4000 calories. 5000 would be filled with pizzas and McDoubles, but I honestly eat that now most days to get all the calories. Any input on what to do?

nbshazeezee jmyers HardEarned Dma378 Rhadam Abe Lincoln

I just tagged anyone I could think of who have ran something similar or with just good info overall. Doses currently are 120mg Tren, 25mg Msten, and 1050mg Stano. I have 8 days of Msten left, 12 of Stano, and it's a little hard to tell with the liquid Tren. It should be atleast a week though.
 
Well maintenance is different for the 10 pounds heavier you. So if you go that route, make sure you know what your new maintenance TDEE is. Keep the protein high and drop some carbs if you're concerned with BF. There are still gains to be made though man in these next 8-10 days.
 
Day 31

I weighed 212 pounds this morning. I actually started the cycle at 197 pounds, but I had been in a deficit for a few weeks up to starting. So I'm gonna put my starting weight at about 200. I think there's definitely some shrinkage from being shutdown, they've been aching everyone once in a while and they look like I'm always cold. I'm honestly kinda looking forward to running Clomid this time around. I only used Nolva and Super PCT last time. I plan on getting some blood work this time too. If I run Exemestane two weeks after my SERMs, how long after I stop the AI should I get blood work done?

Machine Flies
120-16,12,12,14
Dumbell Bench(shoulder)
50-10,10,10
Vertical Chest Press
100-20,20,20,20
Machine Flies
120-16,8
110-12,6
100-12,6
90-10,8
Rear Delt
90-10,10,10,8
Shrugs
200-20,20,20,25
Tricep Pushdown
70-16 80-15 90-12 100-10
Tricep Kickbacks
10-20,20,20,20
 
Dma378 said:
Well maintenance is different for the 10 pounds heavier you. So if you go that route, make sure you know what your new maintenance TDEE is. Keep the protein high and drop some carbs if you're concerned with BF. There are still gains to be made though man in these next 8-10 days.
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Yeah I will definitely make sure I get my maintenance right with the weigh gain, but I want to try and keep gaining some weight I think. I have been using IIFYM calculator for my TDEE, but I'm not sure on the exercise part, when it says 5 times a week intense, do they mean just lifting or is that referring to HIIT? I've never really understood that.
 
A couple things, I have seen a little more vascularity, mostly during workouts though.That's not saying much cause I had pretty much none before. I noticed a little extra anxiety and increased heart rate a few nights while sitting down watching tv. Almost like a panic or anxiety attack. I am prone to anxiety though, my mom has it really bad and I had it every once in a while before the Tren. I hate the liquid Tren. I just hate liquid products overall. I feel like I'm not getting the full amount, plus you can't get as accurate dosing or see how much you have left. This is just due to me being OCD though. I just shoot it straight into my mouth and wash it down with water. The taste isn't bad, I actually kind of like it. The Exemestane just tastes like alcohol. I've been fairly lethargic throughout this cycle. I kind of wish I would have gone with Dermacrine this time around to try it out. I may do that next time. Sex drive is a little less than before the cycle, may just be anxiety though from just knowing or assuming I'm shutdown.
 
If you haven't gained any noticeable BF than there would be no point to eat at maintenance for a week. Keep the calories high and ride it out until PCT. Eating at maintenance for a week won't do much for you. Plus, you want your calories as high as possible leading up to and during PCT to maintain the size that you've put on.
 
jmyers said:
If you haven't gained any noticeable BF than there would be no point to eat at maintenance for a week. Keep the calories high and ride it out until PCT. Eating at maintenance for a week won't do much for you. Plus, you want your calories as high as possible leading up to and during PCT to maintain the size that you've put on.
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That's true and I think I've decided one week at maintenance would be a waste when I could still go for a couple more pounds hopefully. Thanks for the input.

One other thing I've noticed is louder breathing and having a harder time catching my breath from just walking up stairs. I never do cardio so that's obviously a problem. But I've noticed myself breathing real loud more often since starting this cycle, and a couple people have pointed it out. I used to have fairly bad asthma as a kid and every once in a while now I will have some problems. I no longer have an inhaler or anything. But I've never really had a problem with breathing really loud when just sitting around or not much activity at all, so I'm not sure of it's the Tren or what.
 
Another thing, the past few days it's been hard to keep my pee clear. Especially in the mornings, my pee has been twice as dark when I wake up than it has usually been. I'm not sure if it has something to do with the AI or maybe a liver or kidney problem?
 
BP and liver/kidney are tricky because they are a case by case issue. Some people never experience any problems, while others battle it the entire cycle. My suggestion would be to bump up your cycle assist by another dose and see how that is in a few days.
 
jmyers said:
BP and liver/kidney are tricky because they are a case by case issue. Some people never experience any problems, while others battle it the entire cycle. My suggestion would be to bump up your cycle assist by another dose and see how that is in a few days.
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This plus upping your water intake.
 
jmyers said:
BP and liver/kidney are tricky because they are a case by case issue. Some people never experience any problems, while others battle it the entire cycle. My suggestion would be to bump up your cycle assist by another dose and see how that is in a few days.
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I'm already at 12 caps of Cycle Assist a day, I can bump it up to 16, is there a point of diminishing returns with Cycle Assist? Not entirely sure if I used that correctly lol
 
I used refeeds every week on like Sunday to get my weight up. It stayed pretty steady throughout the week and would jump 10-12 lbs on a refeed day, waking up about 5-6lbs heavier the next morning and then it settling in over the week, Stayed the same leaness cause my diet was on point through the week. It would be a solid breakfast of toast with almond butter honey and bananas, sugars during my workout about 100g, then 2 double burgers with fries, a whole pizza, chicken and ice cream and oreos and whatever else I could possibly eat riddled with protein shakes and things.

Also, I felt the same way with staying the same leanness but feeling fat with the pants and its just because of the sheer volume of food being eaten along with water retension through the day from said food. Pretty much every day I would be 5-7lbs heavier before bed and lose most of it overnight from water.
 
Also idk why it took me so long to find this.

I had similar things with the pee. If it isnt dark as in brownish, but just more yellowish green, I have a feeling it is from the high food intake and vitamin intake seeing as I was drinking about 2 gallons a day and still having "darkish" pee
 
I'm definitely gonna use tody to just pound down as much food as I can. I know exactly what you mean, I will go to bed weighing 215 and be at 210 when I wake up but feel like I had lost 15 pounds of fat from sleeping, just from not having a full belly.

I've been drinking atleast a gallon a day, I'm gonna make it a point to get to 2 a day. Sometimes my pee is just yellow, but there's been a couple times I thought it was kinda brownish but it could have been the lighting.
 
Food = Size. Are you getting enough protein in diet? That is the key part IMO if you just want size gains make sure to get 1-1.5 grams of protein per lb, add in a **** ton of carbs, sprinkle on a little bit of fats.
 
Abe Lincoln said:
Food = Size. Are you getting enough protein in diet? That is the key part IMO if you just want size gains make sure to get 1-1.5 grams of protein per lb, add in a **** ton of carbs, sprinkle on a little bit of fats.
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Yes I always get atleast 1 gram of protein per pound of body weight. My macros are usually 100-150 fat, 210-300 protein, 350-500 carbs. I'm gonna try and get atleast 4500 calories this last week.

My only concern is eating so many calories while on and then eating the same post cycle and piling on fat. I know for a fact my body won't handle 4500 calories well once I'm off everything, but I don't want to lose what I've gotten so I'm gonna have to keep them high.
 
The back pumps while sitting in class are getting annoying, but I don't have long enough left to justify to myself to buy any taurine. It completely slipped my mind when starting the cycle. I may just take some GlycerGrow, I think it has some in it if I remember correctly.
 
I will probably do back and arms today, my shoulders seem like they can never get enough rest. I'm gonna do shoulders and chest tomorrow and legs Wednesday. I think I might like this better than the whole upper body thing on Monday.
 
Day 33
Weight was at 215 this morning, I ate everything I saw yesterday so that's why it jumped 5 pounds. I'm gonna try and finish today off with 4500 calories. Here is today's workout, I tried to do some more pull ups when I got home but I couldn't. It felt like my forearms were tearing.

Lat Pulldown
120-14,12,14,10
Seated Vertical Row
70-16,15,15,20
Seated Cable Row
110-16,18 120-18,
Tbar Row
90-12,12,10,10 70-10 45-10
Camber Bar Curl
55-14,11,12,12
Seated Incline Dumbell Curl
20-18,20 Hammer 30-14,12
Seated Machine Curl
60-8,6,
50-8,6,
Seated Machine Tricep Extension
60-10,15,12,
Tricep Kickback
20-15,15,15superset 10lbs-15
Abs 10 sets
Pull-ups 4 sets
 
I just did chest today, I was going to do some shoulders too but after the first couple sets of chest, my shoulders were already destroyed. My weight has been at 215 the past few days.
 
I only have a couple days left now. I am probably going to up the Stano to 1200mg a day, it looks like I have more of that than anything else. I don't plan on logging PCT unless anyone's interested.

Does anyone have any input on my training for PCT? Keep it how I'm doing it now it switch to lower reps and as heavy as possible? Any programs or splits that would be good? I think I need to reassess my split now, my shoulders are sore every single day it seems.
 
I usually turn more toward strength training in pct. Read a pretty good article about it the other day. So you've built the muscle while on, but your body needs to handle that heavy weight to kind of trick your mind into keeping it.
 
Dma378 said:
I usually turn more toward strength training in pct. Read a pretty good article about it the other day. So you've built the muscle while on, but your body needs to handle that heavy weight to kind of trick your mind into keeping it.
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That's what makes sense
 
Dma378 said:
I usually turn more toward strength training in pct. Read a pretty good article about it the other day. So you've built the muscle while on, but your body needs to handle that heavy weight to kind of trick your mind into keeping it.
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That's what I had originally planned, do you have any suggestions on a certain program to start or anything like that? I have never trained for strength before.
 
I do at least 2-3 compound movements that are heavy, followed by 3-4 accessory lifts that are higher volume. I found with doing that I keep my strength and also focus on hypertrophy.
 
jmyers said:
I do at least 2-3 compound movements that are heavy, followed by 3-4 accessory lifts that are higher volume. I found with doing that I keep my strength and also focus on hypertrophy.
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Doing each muscle once or twice a week? And how many muscles a day?
 
I don't follow a "weekly" schedule. Your muscles don't know whether it's monday, tuesday, thursday or saturday. All it knows is the constant stimulus that you place it under. I rotate b/t a Push, Pull, Leg split or a chest/bi, back/tri, shoulders/calves, legs. I take days off when needed, which it might be 3 weeks until I take a day off.
 
jmyers said:
I don't follow a "weekly" schedule. Your muscles don't know whether it's monday, tuesday, thursday or saturday. All it knows is the constant stimulus that you place it under. I rotate b/t a Push, Pull, Leg split or a chest/bi, back/tri, shoulders/calves, legs. I take days off when needed, which it might be 3 weeks until I take a day off.
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I can see that. I have always been told/read to always follow a proven program and not to make up my own. But I feel like the workout itself isn't as important as people make it seem. As long as you are adding more weight or reps as often as possible, you should be okay. I know plenty of people who have done great just working out whatever they are feeling that day.
 
I'm a huge advocate in working hard to find out what works for you. People can give you their opinion on what works and doesn't work, but you must put in the work to find out for yourself. Now for beginners, it's ideal to follow your typical "bodybuilding" or "powerlifting" workout to build a foundation. But once you become a seasoned vet, experiment on different routines for atleast 8 weeks at a time. I'll follow my main split (push,pull,leg) for approx. 10-12 weeks and than I'll switch to my other routine (chest/bi, back/tri, shoulders/calves, legs) for approx. 6 weeks to shock the body.

The workouts are without a doubt important. They build/lay the foundation into what your goal is in terms of strength or hypertrophy. If your have a crappy routine, than your going to get crappy results.
 
I suppose I haven't been around long enough to know what works for me and what doesn't work necessarily. I definitely don't have the experience that most guys here have.
 
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