Mikey851
Active member
You can get headaches caused by heightened blood pressure. On my last cycle I just went to Walmart and used the machine in the pharmacy area once a week to see if I was okay.
You can get headaches caused by heightened blood pressure. On my last cycle I just went to Walmart and used the machine in the pharmacy area once a week to see if I was okay.
RAZORBACK09
Member
What about bumping epi to 40 mg?
monsterbox
Well-known member
epi was really strong for me at 40mg. It really dried my joints up bad, however I felt good in every other aspect. I think 40mg is the sweet spot if you can withstand the dryness....go ahead and bump up.
RAZORBACK09
Member
I'll give it a shot, if it's too much I can always go down.
Now the dryness, how can I tell if they are "dry?"
My elbow and shoulders have been sore, but I don't know if that is a result of my lifting increasing.
Mikey851
Active member
If your joints are dry you will know it. My knees hurt the worst, just walking normally.
monsterbox
Well-known member
1. your eyes will be dry when you wake up in the morning and you will take a HUGE piss. Your skin will look extremely thin and all your muscles will feel tight and look abnormally defined.
2. you will drink a gallon of water a day and feel like its going right through you without touching your organs.
3. then, you'll be lifting one day and notice your joints feel "cold" indefinitely. Its like in everyday life when you first wake up in the morning, and drop down to do pushups, your wrists may click your elbows may ache a little etc...this is until you get that pump going and your blood is flowling, then everything gets lubed up and flows painlessly. Well, havoc on the other hand will make your muscles pumped, but my joints never felt warmed up. My elbow began to get increasingly painful each day from the pre-existing arthritis until I couldn't even take off my shirt. As soon as I quit havoc, it was like heaven had opened up and restored my joints (somewhat)
Next time, I will certainly be on 20g fish oil, 5g glucosamine powder, supercissus, celadrin, and have injectable aflutop on standby. I will also be using lots of DHEA to keep my estrogen up...maybe even through in something like D-Bol just to keep some aromatase in the body.
RAZORBACK09
Member
Well Sunday will be the end of week 3. My weight currently is 194 and has been that for about 4 days. Feel like i'm stronger and feel like I want to workout a lot more. My joints are sore, and I'am getting the back pumps, so I'm taking a week off from lifting to recover (need it anyway)
RAZORBACK09
Member
Cycle has been going good. I'm up 16 pounds.
For PCT, I'm running clomid, how should I dose it? I was going to do :
Day 1 - 100MG
Week 1, 50MG a day
week 2-4 25MG a day
PCT Assist will be included
For PCT, I'm running clomid, how should I dose it? I was going to do :
Day 1 - 100MG
Week 1, 50MG a day
week 2-4 25MG a day
PCT Assist will be included
Movin_weight
Active member
i'd just run it 50mg straight through... start your AI at week two and run it for a month or so.... Most pple don't seem to realize that SERM's have a half life of about a week so it really serves no purpose to taper
dosing at 100mg for a few days may help to reach optimal blood levels quicker
dosing at 100mg for a few days may help to reach optimal blood levels quicker
monsterbox
Well-known member
Why in the world do people dose clomid at 100mg+? Its terrible...terrible side effects, emotional, hotflashy, itchy...
People always start SERMS high for the first few days to build blood levels...
Why not start the SERM 3 days before you end to cycle
....start at the normal dosage of 50mg of clomid or 20mg of nolva 3 days before you get off, then you levels will be waiting for you when you drop the steroid.
I also don't believe in the high dosing = faster recovery. Recovery with SERMS will be from prolonged useage...you have to wait for your leydig cells to return to full volume before the LH will actually increase your T. Upping the SERM won't solve this issue, only HCG during the cycle will...
In my opinion, I think a trusty pct would be to run clomid 50mg for the first 2-3 weeks and CONTINUE at 25mg for another month! This will help solidify recover, it may even boost you above your pre-cycle levels to help further keep the gains and keep cortisol down? Why end pct at 4 weeks? 25mg won't give any sides and I'll pay money to see a blood test at 25mg extended with scary liver enzymes
People always start SERMS high for the first few days to build blood levels...
Why not start the SERM 3 days before you end to cycle
....start at the normal dosage of 50mg of clomid or 20mg of nolva 3 days before you get off, then you levels will be waiting for you when you drop the steroid.I also don't believe in the high dosing = faster recovery. Recovery with SERMS will be from prolonged useage...you have to wait for your leydig cells to return to full volume before the LH will actually increase your T. Upping the SERM won't solve this issue, only HCG during the cycle will...
In my opinion, I think a trusty pct would be to run clomid 50mg for the first 2-3 weeks and CONTINUE at 25mg for another month! This will help solidify recover, it may even boost you above your pre-cycle levels to help further keep the gains and keep cortisol down? Why end pct at 4 weeks? 25mg won't give any sides and I'll pay money to see a blood test at 25mg extended with scary liver enzymes
Movin_weight
Active member
Why in the world do people dose clomid at 100mg+? Its terrible...terrible side effects, emotional, hotflashy, itchy...
People always start SERMS high for the first few days to build blood levels...
Why not start the SERM 3 days before you end to cycle
I also don't believe in the high dosing = faster recovery. Recovery with SERMS will be from prolonged useage...you have to wait for your leydig cells to return to full volume before the LH will actually increase your T. Upping the SERM won't solve this issue, only HCG during the cycle will...
In my opinion, I think a trusty pct would be to run clomid 50mg for the first 2-3 weeks and CONTINUE at 25mg for another month! This will help solidify recover, it may even boost you above your pre-cycle levels to help further keep the gains and keep cortisol down? Why end pct at 4 weeks? 25mg won't give any sides and I'll pay money to see a blood test at 25mg extended with scary liver enzymes
good post i'v done that a coupld times now starting the SERM during the last coupld days of the cycle.... all depends on the cycle tho, some higher dose cycles will take a week or more to clear ur system
word... i'v ran a low dose torem for several weeks after pct, and made gains on it
can't comment on the clomid side's since i haven't used it
RAZORBACK09
Member
Why in the world do people dose clomid at 100mg+? Its terrible...terrible side effects, emotional, hotflashy, itchy...
People always start SERMS high for the first few days to build blood levels...
Why not start the SERM 3 days before you end to cycle
I also don't believe in the high dosing = faster recovery. Recovery with SERMS will be from prolonged useage...you have to wait for your leydig cells to return to full volume before the LH will actually increase your T. Upping the SERM won't solve this issue, only HCG during the cycle will...
In my opinion, I think a trusty pct would be to run clomid 50mg for the first 2-3 weeks and CONTINUE at 25mg for another month! This will help solidify recover, it may even boost you above your pre-cycle levels to help further keep the gains and keep cortisol down? Why end pct at 4 weeks? 25mg won't give any sides and I'll pay money to see a blood test at 25mg extended with scary liver enzymes
I did a cycle of just tren before, did it for 4 weeks. 50/25/25/25, didn't loose any gains, no side effects.
I'm one of the lucky ones, and rarely get side effects from any pills.
Thinker
New member
Pissing money away
Agreed. It's an unfortunate attitude in the community that if X is good then two times X must be better. This attitude ignores the fact that there are a finite number of receptors available to bind with. If you are dosed correctly (with ANY substance SERM, anabolic) to blanket (for want of a better word) these receptors then anything over and above this blanket dose is wasted... all the receptors are already bound to... your just producing really expensive urine after that point.
Why not start the SERM 3 days before you end to cycle
I also don't believe in the high dosing = faster recovery. Recovery with SERMS will be from prolonged useage...you have to wait for your leydig cells to return to full volume before the LH will actually increase your T. Upping the SERM won't solve this issue, only HCG during the cycle will...
Agreed. It's an unfortunate attitude in the community that if X is good then two times X must be better. This attitude ignores the fact that there are a finite number of receptors available to bind with. If you are dosed correctly (with ANY substance SERM, anabolic) to blanket (for want of a better word) these receptors then anything over and above this blanket dose is wasted... all the receptors are already bound to... your just producing really expensive urine after that point.
RAZORBACK09
Member
Finished my cycle of tren/epi. Gains went from 185 to 200-202.
I'm going to run m-drol next. I'm thinking 10/10-20/10-20 and maybe a 4th week.
What do you guys think? I'd like to include epi if possible, when should I do it if I did with m-drol?
I'm going to run m-drol next. I'm thinking 10/10-20/10-20 and maybe a 4th week.
What do you guys think? I'd like to include epi if possible, when should I do it if I did with m-drol?
RAZORBACK09
Member
Well it's been almost a month since my cycle and i've only lost at the most a pound. Very good cycle, I think i'll do it again and then try m-drol/epi
RAZORBACK09
Member
Still deciding if I want to do tren/epi or m-drol/tren
x-Tren 30-mg days 1-28
x-tren 40mg days 28-42
M-drol 10mg days 18-21
M-drol 20mg days 21-42
Or
x-tren 40mg 1-42
epi 30mg 1-28
epi 40mg 28-42
Which would be best? Looking for gains, not to cut.
x-Tren 30-mg days 1-28
x-tren 40mg days 28-42
M-drol 10mg days 18-21
M-drol 20mg days 21-42
Or
x-tren 40mg 1-42
epi 30mg 1-28
epi 40mg 28-42
Which would be best? Looking for gains, not to cut.
RAZORBACK09
Member
Bump
RAZORBACK09
Member
Come on, someones gotta have input