Tren and HCG only?

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There is lots of controversy towards cycles with no test. People state that test is absolutely necessary in order to feel good during a cycle. However many people experience good gains and less side effects when they decrease test to a low dose or even cut it out completely.

My question is why is test even used at all? Why don’t people just use HCG when running cycles? It increases natty test and estrogen and it will keep your libido high during a blast. Running HCG will provide with enough test and estro during a cycle.

Im currently on tren and estradiol pills only and am considering dropping the estradiol pills for the hcg, any input on this would be much appreciated.
 
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HCG can be hard to find. further.. I don't think there is a problem with no/low test cycles. i think people are idiots for making that assumption. if it was a problem every single study would have test listed in the protocols for the study. yet oddly enough, that is never the case.
 

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Really, HCG is hard to find, at the time I needed to use it, I bought fake ones in the hands of these scammers, but then a friend from California indicated me a good contact and I was able to get something that worked. I would just tell you to be careful and not abuse HCG, use it if it's really necessary, for example I prefer to always stay onfire, blast & cruise, and sometimes I take a break from everything, for 2-3 months and then I use it again, I never had any problems with libido, I think it's worth taking the test and getting to know your body.
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HCG can be hard to find. further.. I don't think there is a problem with no/low test cycles. i think people are idiots for making that assumption. if it was a problem every single study would have test listed in the protocols for the study. yet oddly enough, that is never the case.
HCG is one of the easiest things to find though, if you have a source for pharma grade nolvadex and aromasin you have a source for hcg, indian and asian pharmacies
 
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So no exogenous test is potentially good for eliminating sides...but take another drug to effectively generate endogenous test.

How does the latter improve the side effect profile of a blast? To me, using hCG *solely* for this purpose seems a bit convoluted. Why adopt a protocol that involves multiple steps, when you can just inj the target hormone directly?

I guess my point is: if you want test, why not just inject test.
 
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So no exogenous test is potentially good for eliminating sides...but take another drug to effectively generate endogenous test.

How does the latter improve the side effect profile of a blast? To me, using hCG *solely* for this purpose seems a bit convoluted. Why adopt a protocol that involves multiple steps, when you can just inj the target hormone directly?

I guess my point is: if you want test, why not just inject test.
I guess you’re right. I think the biggest difference is that if libido is an issue on a blast hcg would be more effective in increasing it. Hcg stimulates the leydig cells to produce testosterone. For many people such as myself this was the only thing that made my libido jump back to normal after having a low libido for so long. I was on 150mg of trt with high anxiety and low libido. Increasing the test to 200mg did nothing for my libido. I dont think high estro was a side effect since i am very estrogen sensitive and get gyno and acne whenever estro increases. I did a 2 week blast of hcg and now my libido permanently increased and has stayed that way with only tren and estradiol.

What im theorizing is that one could run solo cycles such as deca, tren or primo with estradiol pills and no test. If libido becomes an issue for whatever reason then one could blast hcg for 2-4 weeks and then go back to just running the tren, deca, or primo with the estradiol. The plus side with not running test is you arent left with high dht levels in your body and could be something that people who suffer from hairloss can benefit from.

Side note: on tren and estradiol only i have zero acne from tren, no heavy breathing, and zero anxious thoughts. I am more calm then running 200mg test solo. Best ive felt in any cycle. Libido is high but not in an animalistic form
 
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If you feel good and are happy with your bloodwork and getting the results you desire, then you’re set. The idea of including some test makes sense for most people in most cycles, but nothing is one-size-fits-all. But the notion that “test is best” is narrow-minded.

Tren pellets with added estradiol was actually how the product Synovex used to be sold, and many guys ran that just perfectly. But you could also run test to get that estradiol obviously, and you can probably get more estradiol that way if you need than HCG - you don’t want to overdo the HCG, maybe 250-300iu e3d, but if you wanted more estradiol it’s easy to pin a bigger dose of test, AND it requires less frequency of pinning if aromatization to e2 is the actual goal.

One bolus shot a week of test with no AI is simpler and cheaper than 2-3 shots of HCG, ultimately. And certainly more anabolic. Looking at estrogen needs from a growth perspective, and not potential libido differences with HCG administration.
 
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I suffer from from low libido without hCG too but have started supplementing Pregnenolone 200-400mg daily and it spiked a lot. My starting levels were 15ng/dL and optimal is around 180ng/dL based on reading some TRT docs recommendations.
 
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I suffer from from low libido without hCG too but have started supplementing Pregnenolone 200-400mg daily and it spiked a lot. My starting levels were 15ng/dL and optimal is around 180ng/dL based on reading some TRT docs recommendations.
I always forget about preg! Are you taking that orally?
 
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If you feel good and are happy with your bloodwork and getting the results you desire, then you’re set. The idea of including some test makes sense for most people in most cycles, but nothing is one-size-fits-all. But the notion that “test is best” is narrow-minded.

Tren pellets with added estradiol was actually how the product Synovex used to be sold, and many guys ran that just perfectly. But you could also run test to get that estradiol obviously, and you can probably get more estradiol that way if you need than HCG - you don’t want to overdo the HCG, maybe 250-300iu e3d, but if you wanted more estradiol it’s easy to pin a bigger dose of test, AND it requires less frequency of pinning if aromatization to e2 is the actual goal.

One bolus shot a week of test with no AI is simpler and cheaper than 2-3 shots of HCG, ultimately. And certainly more anabolic. Looking at estrogen needs from a growth perspective, and not potential libido differences with HCG administration.
Bloodwork is so important here. Unless one is willing to sacrifice their health for gains (which tbh I don’t think is ever worth it when the health sacrifice becomes significant) then bloodwork is crucial to seeing what is working for you, as you say, if you feel good, the results are there AND the bloods are good it’s all bonza.

so many people focus on the first two and don’t bother with bloods though.
 
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Bloodwork is so important here. Unless one is willing to sacrifice their health for gains (which tbh I don’t think is ever worth it when the health sacrifice becomes significant) then bloodwork is crucial to seeing what is working for you, as you say, if you feel good, the results are there AND the bloods are good it’s all bonza.

so many people focus on the first two and don’t bother with bloods though.
Right. Kinda crazy how some will just keep their head in the sand. Like you can just stay on Tren...but what does your bloodwork say? It probably says you’re cruising towards CVD at warp speed.
 
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Yes and it's been a game changer. I'm back to normal and wanting sex like a high schooler again.
Out of curiosity, have you tried TD preg? I ask because I didn’t notice much from oral but TD blew my socks off. Well, it blew my wife’s socks off 😁.

Apologies for the derail OP.
 
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I take 200mg Pregnenolone in the morning on an empty stomach and about 50mg DHEA with lunch too. It took about a week before I started really feeling the effects on my libido.

It's Life Extension brand and it's my first experience with it.
 
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Does hcg get the body make its own test even in the presence of exogenous hormone? So no shutdown? Also how would you get any dht running only deca and estradiol, dhn is too weak for proper sexual function hence the phenomenon of deca dik?
 
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Does hcg get the body make its own test even in the presence of exogenous hormone? So no shutdown? Also how would you get any dht running only deca and estradiol, dhn is too weak for proper sexual function hence the phenomenon of deca dik?
hCG will stimulate test production regardless of hormones injected assuming you're not primary and your testes still work in some capacity. DHN is hit and miss, at very high doses it can keep libido functional for some. Another bypass is run Winny, Proviron, or Masteron with it. The DHT component tends to negate 19-Nor libido issues for me.
 
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hCG will stimulate test production regardless of hormones injected assuming you're not primary and your testes still work in some capacity. DHN is hit and miss, at very high doses it can keep libido functional for some. Another bypass is run Winny, Proviron, or Masteron with it. The DHT component tends to negate 19-Nor libido issues for me.
Thanks for the info, i knew hcg kept your balls fat but i never knew it actually kept em pumping out test thought it was mainly cosmetic, you learn something new every day
 
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I don't respond well to hcg..years ago I run enanthate with tren..I respond better to enanthate than cyp..5mg of pregnenolone sublingual helps alot with libido in my case
 

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