Tren acetate: stacking oral pointless?

[R1187]

Does the potency of tren ace pretty much mean using an oral at the start of the cycle is pointless?

I assume test prop/tren ace would hit hard and fast, so would starting with something like 4 weeks of SD at 30mg be overkill/pointless/diminishing returns???

 

[Skooter]

My buddy just ran similar..
SD was at 20mg..

He also pinned Dbol pre-workout...

He switched to Test E and Tren E later on, to much pinning after awhile...

 

[AlexPowell]

I wouldn't say it's pointless but chances are it's not needed
Tren always works for me, I don't even bother cycling it any more. 350mg/week and I constantly improve

I find I start noticing a difference in week 2, unless I am dieting where it is pretty instant if I carb load

 

[daniel11]

SD @ 30 is overkill anytime. Some people can handle it (I did it and stuck with it and hated it) but 20 seems to be the sweetspot before the feeling of death kicks in.