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Tr3n & Havoc

TX_FF

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Hey yall, first post here but had a few questions regarding the cycle I'm going to be starting.
I understand several people have posted a similar cycle, but I wanted to be sure my dosing/supplements were on point before jumping in.

I have 1 bottle of OL UK Tr3n, 90caps at 30mg/cap
2 bottles of RPN Havoc, 180caps total at 10mg/cap
Also have on hand, Arimicare Pro, Milk Thistle, Taurine, PCT V from BSL and Clomid is in the mail.

Planned to run Tr3n at 60/60/60/60/60/60
Havoc at 40/40/40/40/40/40
Will run Arim and milk through duration, starting taurine 1 week in.

PCT v immediately after along with clomid at 50/50/50/50

any feedback positive or negative is greatly appreciated! Thankyou All
 
That should do pretty good for a cut or recomp, possibly a lean bulk. You might feel a bit of lethargy since trendione doesn't really make the best base, BUT it is high energy in and of itself so maybe you won't.
 
awesome, appreciate it guys, cant wait. ill post some updates along the way. Main goal is to lean out with some strength gains, which I understand diet also has a lot to do with. So ill be eating "fairly" clean, while limiting alcohol consumption
 
TX_FF said:
awesome, appreciate it guys, cant wait. ill post some updates along the way. Main goal is to lean out with some strength gains, which I understand diet also has a lot to do with. So ill be eating "fairly" clean, while limiting alcohol consumption
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I'd avoid alcohol entirely.
 
You might not have to worry too much because epistane has some anti estrogen properties. I’d call trenavar and epistane one of those highly synergistic stacks where 1+1=3
 
BarryScott said:
How likely is it you'd need something like caber with the PH trens? Are prolactin sides common with them or is it more a just in case scenario?
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It’s just in case. Trendione is pretty highly beloved and well tolerated in most circles. But it still carries the possibility of prolactin sides. It’s not in the system quite long enough to be as severe as trenbolone itself. Or it could be that it doesn’t convert much. Diones are pretty ravenously attracted to ligand receptors, tren is as well, the combination of both factors would mean it’s not only active before conversion but also likely more active before conversion than after. So it never even gets a chance to convert, because it attaches immediately to receptors. That’s my hypothesis.
 
Tr3n & Havoc

BarryScott said:
How likely is it you'd need something like caber with the PH trens? Are prolactin sides common with them or is it more a just in case scenario?
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On the second day of Prodienelone years back, I woke with inflamed super itchy aching nipples. As in, not even 24 hours yet. Had no prolactin control and dropped for straight Epistane immediately.

Old Witch said:
It’s just in case. Trendione is pretty highly beloved and well tolerated in most circles. But it still carries the possibility of prolactin sides. It’s not in the system quite long enough to be as severe as trenbolone itself. Or it could be that it doesn’t convert much. Diones are pretty ravenously attracted to ligand receptors, tren is as well, the combination of both factors would mean it’s not only active before conversion but also likely more active before conversion than after. So it never even gets a chance to convert, because it attaches immediately to receptors. That’s my hypothesis.
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Trendione, or Tvar, converts at a high percentage, like 20-30% its postulated.

Never been so strong or angry as on 120-210mg of Tvar. It really winds you fast. By week 8 I remember getting out of breath LAYING DOWN to sleep the night before the meet. I destroyed every single lift the next day btw.

60mg is probably going to be a nice fat burner basically. If you can score another bottle and run 120, that’s the sweetspot for gains vs sides.
 
Hyde said:
On the second day of Prodienelone years back, I woke with inflamed super itchy aching nipples. As in, not even 24 hours yet. Had no prolactin control and dropped for straight Epistane immediately.
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What sort of dosage was that? Not that it matters, I suppose if it happened that suddenly.

Based on that would you say trendione was the milder of the two with regard to prolactin sides? I thought the opposite would be the case based on some stuff I read, but real world experience trumps academia. This is what I was being my conclusions on btw

It (dienolone) has been found to possess slightly lower affinity for the androgen receptor (AR) and progesterone receptor (PR) relative to nandrolone in rat and rabbit tissue bioassays, whereas trenbolone was found to possess the same affinity for the AR as dienolone but several-fold increased affinity for the PR
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BarryScott said:
What sort of dosage was that? Not that it matters, I suppose if it happened that suddenly.

Based on that would you say trendione was the milder of the two with regard to prolactin sides? I thought the opposite would be the case based on some stuff I read, but real world experience trumps academia. This is what I was being my conclusions on btw
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I can’t recall for certain but it was my very first cycle so whatever the bottle had in 2 caps (per label recommendations), probably something like 70mg. Not like Tvar, where label recommendations are useless.

On Tvar I just stayed on Ralox and gyno stayed controlled, but as prolactin elevated it got really tough to orgasm. But I was horny and hard all the time from how androgenic it was, so me and the lady didn’t mind working for it - worth it in the end lol.

It’s going to be user-specific, like all drugs.
 
Hmm, I like the idea of using one of the two to augment a future cycle since they're non-methylated, but I'm still pretty ignorant of prolactin/19nor issues, and tbh have no interest in using caber, prami, etc.

I'm thinking along the lines of just using whichever is milder (probably dienedione) at a moderate dose like 90mg ED and hope I don't run into any issues - and if gyno issues do present themselves I'll just drop it completely and take an AI.
 
BarryScott said:
Hmm, I like the idea of using one of the two to augment a future cycle since they're non-methylated, but I'm still pretty ignorant of prolactin/19nor issues, and tbh have no interest in using caber, prami, etc.

I'm thinking along the lines of just using whichever is milder (probably dienedione) at a moderate dose like 90mg ED and hope I don't run into any issues - and if gyno issues do present themselves I'll just drop it completely and take an AI.
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Caber is not bad. Even if you don’t catch the gyno you might still need it to get hard or even finish.
 
Old Witch said:
It’s just in case. Trendione is pretty highly beloved and well tolerated in most circles. But it still carries the possibility of prolactin sides. It’s not in the system quite long enough to be as severe as trenbolone itself. Or it could be that it doesn’t convert much. Diones are pretty ravenously attracted to ligand receptors, tren is as well, the combination of both factors would mean it’s not only active before conversion but also likely more active before conversion than after. So it never even gets a chance to convert, because it attaches immediately to receptors. That’s my hypothesis.
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I ran actual oral tren at 750mcgs ed..which really should be anyones threshhold with it because of the toxicity, and never had any prolactin related issues. I believe oldwitch may have hypothesized correctly, both compounds have an extremely short half life. So short actually, my run kinda turned into a preworkout. One, if I took a dose after my workout when I got home about 6 or 7, I had difficulty sleeping. So, I took one tab (they are 250mcgs each) upon waking, and two 30mins before training. 2nd, I did not like the amped, dying to lift, aggression, etc on my non training day...which is only one day, I go three on, one off. I like to at least feel relaxed on my off day..lol. 10 years ago, or so, my very first dip into PH anabolics was with a tren PH that has sinced been banned....I remember it was from some company called kilo sports. It was a 90 count bottle dosed at 30mgs per cap..but it was the same deal. I ended up taking that product the exact same way I ended up taking the actual oral tren. And from what I remenber, the kilo sports product was very strong. However, I was still cycling anabolics at that time and was still pretty susceptible to effects. But long story for an answer, I dont believe prolactin will be an issue..which is good..a month of caber is more than 100 bucks from any reliable source. And just a heads up, prami sucks...makes me feel like death.
 
swimfan65 said:
I ran actual oral tren at 750mcgs ed..which really should be anyones threshhold with it because of the toxicity, and never had any prolactin related issues. I believe oldwitch may have hypothesized correctly, both compounds have an extremely short half life. So short actually, my run kinda turned into a preworkout. One, if I took a dose after my workout when I got home about 6 or 7, I had difficulty sleeping. So, I took one tab (they are 250mcgs each) upon waking, and two 30mins before training. 2nd, I did not like the amped, dying to lift, aggression, etc on my non training day...which is only one day, I go three on, one off. I like to at least feel relaxed on my off day..lol. 10 years ago, or so, my very first dip into PH anabolics was with a tren PH that has sinced been banned....I remember it was from some company called kilo sports. It was a 90 count bottle dosed at 30mgs per cap..but it was the same deal. I ended up taking that product the exact same way I ended up taking the actual oral tren. And from what I remenber, the kilo sports product was very strong. However, I was still cycling anabolics at that time and was still pretty susceptible to effects. But long story for an answer, I dont believe prolactin will be an issue..which is good..a month of caber is more than 100 bucks from any reliable source. And just a heads up, prami sucks...makes me feel like death.
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What you took was the Prodienelone I mentioned I tried & had prolactin issues, X-Tren it was often called.

Trenavar/trendione has a bit longer half life, but I still did 3 doses a day to manage BP better. Liver toxicity with this is only really as bad as real tren.

What brand is the methyl-tren you have?
 
Hyde said:
What you took was the Prodienelone I mentioned I tried & had prolactin issues, X-Tren it was often called.

Trenavar/trendione has a bit longer half life, but I still did 3 doses a day to manage BP better. Liver toxicity with this is only really as bad as real tren.

What brand is the methyl-tren you have?
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Dragon pharma 250mcgs per pill. 100 pills is like 30 bucks. Really really good oral. The cramping sucked..because you dehydrate so damn fast..and after 3 weeks its hard to pee. All the negative sides were on the inside. Great mood, libido..etc. Strength goes way up, vascularity, etc. Ive tried alot of oral anabolics..it was my favorite by far..too bad its so damn toxic.

The PH I took all those years ago was Trenadrol..I looked it up. Its 17b mythoxy treinbolone 30mgs per cap
 
swimfan65 said:
Dragon pharma 250mcgs per pill. 100 pills is like 30 bucks. Really really good oral. The cramping sucked..because you dehydrate so damn fast..and after 3 weeks its hard to pee. All the negative sides were on the inside. Great mood, libido..etc. Strength goes way up, vascularity, etc. Ive tried alot of oral anabolics..it was my favorite by far..too bad its so damn toxic.

The PH I took all those years ago was Trenadrol..I looked it up. Its 17b mythoxy treinbolone 30mgs per cap
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Check out this old post from Fueled Passion on here I came across googling just now:

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FP is a pretty smart chap, and he believed that while Prodienelone was what all the other products at the time were selling he suspects the one you/he took was indeed methyl-tren.
 
Old Witch said:
It’s just in case. Trendione is pretty highly beloved and well tolerated in most circles. But it still carries the possibility of prolactin sides. It’s not in the system quite long enough to be as severe as trenbolone itself. Or it could be that it doesn’t convert much. Diones are pretty ravenously attracted to ligand receptors, tren is as well, the combination of both factors would mean it’s not only active before conversion but also likely more active before conversion than after. So it never even gets a chance to convert, because it attaches immediately to receptors. That’s my hypothesis.
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How should one start dosing caber in the midst of prolactin sides from trenavar? 0.25mg twice a week?
 
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