Topic of the Week - What's the best fat burner supplement of all time and why?

Man...I miss the good old days!
Adipokinetics
Tiratricol
OG Vpx Clenbutrx (with norephedrine)
Biotest MD6 (norephedrine)
OG Hydroxycuts
OG Xenadrine
And of course ECA
Norephedrine was an AMAZING compound
 
I would put RADIATE up against all of them without a doubt. I have been a long time stim and thermogenic junkie, all the way back to the original Ephedra days with Hydroxycut, and we designed RADIATE over 2 years to be the most effective thermogenic to ever hit the market and something we ourselves would buy. Just like bragging, it isn't shilling if it's true...
 
TheMyth said:
I would put RADIATE up against all of them without a doubt. I have been a long time stim and thermogenic junkie, all the way back to the original Ephedra days with Hydroxycut, and we designed RADIATE over 2 years to be the most effective thermogenic to ever hit the market and something we ourselves would buy. Just like bragging, it isn't shilling if it's true...
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DMHA is octadrine right? ...............................................
 
TheMyth said:
I would put RADIATE up against all of them without a doubt. I have been a long time stim and thermogenic junkie, all the way back to the original Ephedra days with Hydroxycut, and we designed RADIATE over 2 years to be the most effective thermogenic to ever hit the market and something we ourselves would buy. Just like bragging, it isn't shilling if it's true...
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You need more aggressive marketing, people's positive reviews are the best ad
 
Alex281 said:
You need more aggressive marketing, people's positive reviews are the best ad
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They'll be coming... We are confident enough in the product that, with all the orders we've had and samples sent out, there will be plenty of productive reviews coming soon. We don't want to be hammer it down everyone's throat and make pushy ads, RADIATE will speak for itself and word will spread :-)
 
TheMyth said:
They'll be coming... We are confident enough in the product that, with all the orders we've had and samples sent out, there will be plenty of productive reviews coming soon. We don't want to be hammer it down everyone's throat and make pushy ads, RADIATE will speak for itself and word will spread :-)
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How can I get a sample of this (I'll gladly purchase it) I just want to compare it to bloodshred
 
koltink said:
How can I get a sample of this (I'll gladly purchase it) I just want to compare it to bloodshred
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Just from my personal experience:

I use both {Radiate and Bloodshred War} and like Radiate just a tad more. Both provide great appetite suppression, notice a nice mood boost from both, but Radiate has just a slight higher energy kick. This is comparing 2 scoops of Bloodshred War to 3/4 scoop of Radiate. 1 full scoop of Radiate and I was a bit jittery, something that has not happened to me in quite some time haha (and trust me I am no stim noob).

Like both, use both, support both :)
 
carguy123 said:
Just from my personal experience:

I use both {Radiate and Bloodshred War} and like Radiate just a tad more. Both provide great appetite suppression, notice a nice mood boost from both, but Radiate has just a slight higher energy kick. This is comparing 2 scoops of Bloodshred War to 3/4 scoop of Radiate. 1 full scoop of Radiate and I was a bit jittery, something that has not happened to me in quite some time haha (and trust me I am no stim noob).

Like both, use both, support both :)
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I appreciate the feedback! I will most likely purchase a tub of radiate to use to get away from bloodshred at some point
 
Alex281 said:
You need more aggressive marketing, people's positive reviews are the best ad
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Really? More aggressive than comparing Radiate to Lipokinetix? How about "Throw away your DNP and get Radiate!"

That's about the only thing more aggressive. The product looks interesting, but it doesn't look like it could compare with everything on the list so far. Good to be confident though. I can appreciate that.
 
HIT4ME said:
Really? More aggressive than comparing Radiate to Lipokinetix? How about "Throw away your DNP and get Radiate!"

That's about the only thing more aggressive. The product looks interesting, but it doesn't look like it could compare with everything on the list so far. Good to be confident though. I can appreciate that.
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How about we throw a couple sample packs your way to judge ;-)
 
TheMyth said:
How about we throw a couple sample packs your way to judge ;-)
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I am down. Keep in mind - Lipokinetix was a product that had me losing 15-20 a month without effort. I am just saying, tough to beat that. I can judge stims well though. I have used almost everything under the sun. I will be more than happy to give an honest review and if it is better than Lipokinetix and I eat my hat ....Well...I will be even more thrilled.
 
HIT4ME said:
Really? More aggressive than comparing Radiate to Lipokinetix? How about "Throw away your DNP and get Radiate!"

That's about the only thing more aggressive. The product looks interesting, but it doesn't look like it could compare with everything on the list so far. Good to be confident though. I can appreciate that.
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That sound like money srs. You still need to make ads even if your product is DNP..Only gym rats are aware of,not average joes
 
HIT4ME said:
I am down. Keep in mind - Lipokinetix was a product that had me losing 15-20 a month without effort. I am just saying, tough to beat that. I can judge stims well though. I have used almost everything under the sun. I will be more than happy to give an honest review and if it is better than Lipokinetix and I eat my hat ....Well...I will be even more thrilled.
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PM me your addy
 
^^

im curious how anyone can give you anything more than a "yeah I could feel it" from a sample? are you simply hoping people will buy it because of that? most am posters are far more educated than that.
 
xR1pp3Rx said:
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im curious how anyone can give you anything more than a "yeah I could feel it" from a sample? are you simply hoping people will buy it because of that? most am posters are far more educated than that.
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Things users would notice from 2-3 samples:
Focus (acute effect)
Appetite suppression (very strong in this department)
Thermogenesis (sweating like crazy even while sitting at a desk all day.)
Mood enhancement (good mental lift - some users might be in a caloric deficit and this might be an area of help)

Obviously you won't see 5lbs of fat loss in a couple samples. But let's be real here... Even educated people don't mind samples to see how their body responds. Let's not overgeneralize now. :)
 
xR1pp3Rx said:
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im curious how anyone can give you anything more than a "yeah I could feel it" from a sample? are you simply hoping people will buy it because of that? most am posters are far more educated than that.
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Running it for a couple of days, should give you some idea on whether you would buy it or not. I take BloodShr3d as soon as I wake up and fast until later in the am. I can tell if something has a good appetite suppressant , focus , energy and mood enhancing properties. If they send me some samples, I will report back. If I like it, I'll order it for my next run and can do a much better write up.

I had one sample of BloodShr3d raw and I bought a tub the following week, still had a decent amount of the war edition left.

Anyhow the **** sounds interesting.
 
S.Dedication said:
Running it for a couple of days, should give you some idea on whether you would buy it or not. I take BloodShr3d as soon as I wake up and fast until later in the am. I can tell if something has a good appetite suppressant , focus , energy and mood enhancing properties. If they send me some samples, I will report back. If I like it, I'll order it for my next run and can do a much better write up.

I had one sample of BloodShr3d raw and I bought a tub the following week, still had a decent amount of the war edition left.

Anyhow the **** sounds interesting.
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I'm more than willing to send sample packs out to people interested. All you have to do is DM me and give me a few days to get them sent out.
 
xR1pp3Rx said:
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im curious how anyone can give you anything more than a "yeah I could feel it" from a sample? are you simply hoping people will buy it because of that? most am posters are far more educated than that.
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Lol not to mention I've sold countless bottles of a certain fatburner to customers just from letting them try a sample pack the company you rep for distributes quite freely. They serve a purpose.
 
im certainly not saying we don't.. but we also don't give out samples usually.. we have people run an entire bottle of something. look, I was just curious what you would say when I put you guys on the spot.. and frankly I feel like you all have turned this topic into a fukin promo thread.
and since you are so keen on how we operate plz follow Finaflexs lead and keep the shills to the proper forums.

:cheers:
 
xR1pp3Rx said:
im certainly not saying we don't.. but we also don't give out samples usually.. we have people run an entire bottle of something. look, I was just curious what you would say when I put you guys on the spot.. and frankly I feel like you all have turned this topic into a fukin promo thread.
and since you are so keen on how we operate plz follow Finaflexs lead and keep the shills to the proper forums.

:cheers:
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When I look at a "Fat Burner" I look at the ingredients that act upon the Alpha and Beta Adrenoreceptors. This seems to have 3: Hordenine, Higenamine, and a-Yohimbine. (Grains of Paradise is a non-starter IMO - unless you are a BAT positive Mouse. If you are a BAT negative Human, it actually reduces REE. In BAT positive Humans, its good for an additional 6kcal/Hour - don't eat an extra Tbs of Peanut Butter and/or you better be exact in *all* your food measurements). The two "H's" have *some* data on them in people - but they are way understudied for fat loss in athletic humans. Alpha-Yohimbine is just extrapolated from Y-HCL, and it, only has the Soccer Player study.

I say all this *ONLY* in reference to the earlier claims of "So and so said it's better than Ephedrine...) - Come on now... But if I didn't use Ephedrine (Primatene or from Over-Seas) - this one wouldn't be bad if we could see the dosages. At least it's not entirely unheard of ingredients with 1 study in grasshoppers or something :D But alas, we can't.

As far as "try a couple packets" - I don't know - you can give a guy a packet of Beta Alanine and Niacin and they'll swear it's working. The only way to test these things (barring data like Ephedrine has from more than a few massive University studies) is to take it, train the same, eat the same deficit, and lose 3lbs a week instead of your usual 2lbs a week. Then you know it does something - just make sure you don't change anything from your usual fat loss protocol or you void everything.
 
xR1pp3Rx said:
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im curious how anyone can give you anything more than a "yeah I could feel it" from a sample? are you simply hoping people will buy it because of that? most am posters are far more educated than that.
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Yeah, people hate free samples...haha!

Free samples are of great value as we are talking supplements here, and people react differently to everything. I can tell right off if I am going to be able to tolerate something or have any immediate negative reactions. The long term effects of a given product are obviously not going to be realized....I think everyone is well aware of that and is irrelevant.

I can't tell you how much money I have wasted on products that have attractive profiles full of ingredients I am very familiar with...only to take a few doses and realize it is not for me. Then it sits in my cupboard...expires...then gets tossed out.

On the other side of the coin, I have been sent some random free samples of products I never would have considered buying. Upon trying the samples, I have been pleasantly surprised and ended up ordering a few of these products.

Free samples are very consumer friendly..
 
One thing is them being consumer friendly and good to assess body response, another is people just talking about 'how effective they are' after trying a 2-3 days dosis...
 
rodherm said:
One thing is them being consumer friendly and good to assess body response, another is people just talking about 'how effective they are' after trying a 2-3 days dosis...
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As mentioned before, the acute effects of enhanced mood/focus, appetite suppression, and thermogenic strength (not long term fat loss) can all be assessed within a few doses.
 
Who hasn't gotten samples of RADIATE and who wants some? Monte and I will make sure to get every one of you some samples, just PM us!
 
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Vinpocetine is not a controlled substance. It is just not approved for use in dietary supplements. Cocaine is a controlled substance
 
QMS said:
Vinpocetine is not a controlled substance. It is just not approved for use in dietary supplements. Cocaine is a controlled substance
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To clarify further, vinpocetine still has to go through the formal FDA procedures to ban it completely from use in the dietary supplement industry. If you go on Amazon now you can find several big brands still selling vinpocetine.
 
Ricky10 said:
As mentioned before, the acute effects of enhanced mood/focus, appetite suppression, and thermogenic strength (not long term fat loss) can all be assessed within a few doses.
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True, initial reaction can be assessed. Not though fat loss which is what 90% of the consumers ordering any lf these products would be after. Nothing wrong with samples, just simply not enough to test any end results.
 
rodherm said:
True, initial reaction can be assessed. Not though fat loss which is what 90% of the consumers ordering any lf these products would be after. Nothing wrong with samples, just simply not enough to test any end results.
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Right. That is why they are called samples.
 
Ricky10 said:
Right. That is why they are called samples.
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Mate, not going into a pissing contest here. You know what I meant and what I am saying as I stated it clearly before: samples are not enough to provide evidence on long term results and people doing that might be misleading others. Simple as that.

Last comment ln the topic from my side.
 
Arecoline is Duracap hype . "Arco Fuel" it works through similar mechanism as nicotine however it also agonizes muscarinic receptors which oppose adrenergic receptors; logic would dictate this would impede fat loss. However my personal experiences is that it's effects when combined with other stims are neither noticed nor would they be missed. But Duracap tries to slap the trademark handcuffs on all their customers . That's to be expected when you underdose and rip people off .
 
AdelV said:
This has a bit of everything in it ;P
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Sure does! Nice looking ingredients...despite the arecoline debate. Trouble is, the dosage is 1-2 capsules, 2-3 times a day with only 60 caps/bottle. Does not seem like a great value to me. Personally, I am also timid of that straight up Yohimbe HCL.
 
has anyone mentioned the original STIM X? that stuff was strooong!!! didn't eat for almost a whole day after 1st dose.....
 
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