Top Government Insider: Bin Laden Died In 2001, 9/11 A False Flag
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More Alex Jones ax? I am all for the conspiracy stuff as it is fun discussion, but good lord remove tinfoil..
What are you talking about, prove me wrong about the Council of Foreign Relations. Alex Jones doesnt need to be a part of this, CFR is what it is, and its members are what they are. Blowing things off as conspiracy theories is a easy way to blow away from investigating the truth. I dont do this for fun, Im quite serious although I do have a sense of humor.
Here is Gary Hart from the CFR speaking of using 9/11 to install a NWO.
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The CFR is much of where our policy comes from...I have a list in this article of Obama's surroundings and the CFR.
Obama’s Council On Foreign Relations Crew
Steve Watson
Friday, Nov 7, 2008
Meet some of president elect Obama’s leading foreign and domestic policy advisors and likely administration members, every one of them a prominent member of the Council On Foreign Relations.
Will these people bring about "change" or will they continue to hold up the same entrenched system forged by the corporate elite for decades?
Susan E. Rice – Council on Foreign Relations, The Brookings Institution – Served as Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs under Clinton from 1997 to 2001. Former Secretary of State Madeline Albright is a longtime mentor and family friend to Rice. Critics charge that she is is ill disposed towards Europe, has little understanding of the Middle East and would essentially follow the same policies of Condoleeza Rice if appointed the next Secretary of State or the National Security Adviser.
Anthony Lake – CFR, PNAC – Bill Clinton’s first national security adviser, who was criticized for the administration’s failure to confront the genocide in Rwanda in 1994 and now acknowledges the inaction as a major mistake.
Zbigniew Brzezinski – CFR, Trilateral Commission – Brzezinski is widely seen as the man who created Al Qaeda, and was involved in the Carter Administration plan to give arms, funding and training to the mujahideen in Afghanistan.
Richard Clarke – CFR – Former chief counter-terrorism adviser on the U.S. National Security Council under Bush. Notoriously turned against the Bush administration after 9/11 and the invasion of Iraq. Also advised Madeleine Albright during the Genocide in Rwanda.
Ivo Daalder – CFR, Brookings, PNAC – Co-authored a Washington Post op-ed with neocon Robert Kagan arguing that interventionism is a bipartisan affair that should be undertaken with the approval of our democratic allies.
Dennis Ross – CFR, Trilateral Commission, PNAC – Served as the director for policy planning in the State Department under President George H. W. Bush and special Middle East coordinator under President Bill Clinton. A noted supporter of the Iraq war, Ross is also a Foreign Affairs Analyst for the Fox News Channel.
Lawrence Korb – CFR, Brookings – Director of National Security Studies at the Council on Foreign Relations. Has criticized manor of the invasion of Iraq but has detailed plans to increase the manpower of the United States Army to fight the war on terror and to "spread liberal democratic values throughout the Middle East".
Bruce Reidel – CFR, Brookings – Former CIA analyst who wishes to expand the war on terror to fight Al Qaeda across the globe. Considered to be the reason behind Barack Obama’s Hawkish views on Pakistan and his Pro India leanings on Kashmir.
Stephen Flynn – CFR – Has been attributed with the idea for Obama’s much vaunted "Civilian Security Force". Flynn has written: "The United States should roughly replicate the Federal Reserve model by creating a Federal Security Reserve System (FSRS) with a national board of governors, 10 regional Homeland Security Districts, and 92 local branches called Metropolitan Anti-Terrorism Committees. The objective of this system would be to develop self-funding mechanisms to more fully engage a broad cross-section of American society to protect the country’s critical foundations from the widespread disruption that would arise from a terrorist attack."
Madeline Albright - CFR, Brookings – Currently serves on the Council on Foreign Relations Board of directors. Secretary of State and US Ambassador to the United Nations under Clinton. Did not take action against the genocide in Rwanda. Defended the sanctions against Iraq under Saddam Hussein. When asked by CBS’s 60 Minutes about the effects of sanctions: "We have heard that half a million children have died. I mean, that’s more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?" Albright replied: "I think this is a very hard choice, but the price — we think the price is worth it."
This is by no means an exhaustive list. Of course, had John McCain become president, being a member of the CFR himself, his administration would have been replete with CFR representatives also. Max Boot, Lawrence Eagleburger and Henry Kissinger, to name but a few, are all CFR members and were all advisors to the McCain campaign.
Please do your own research and add more names in the comments section of this report. It is important to document how these people are a part of the engine of global elitism and do not represent change. Only with this understanding will others wake up to the false left-right paradigm and be able to create the environment for real political change.
Obama’s Council On Foreign Relations Crew
Steve Watson
Friday, Nov 7, 2008
Meet some of president elect Obama’s leading foreign and domestic policy advisors and likely administration members, every one of them a prominent member of the Council On Foreign Relations.
Will these people bring about "change" or will they continue to hold up the same entrenched system forged by the corporate elite for decades?
Susan E. Rice – Council on Foreign Relations, The Brookings Institution – Served as Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs under Clinton from 1997 to 2001. Former Secretary of State Madeline Albright is a longtime mentor and family friend to Rice. Critics charge that she is is ill disposed towards Europe, has little understanding of the Middle East and would essentially follow the same policies of Condoleeza Rice if appointed the next Secretary of State or the National Security Adviser.
Anthony Lake – CFR, PNAC – Bill Clinton’s first national security adviser, who was criticized for the administration’s failure to confront the genocide in Rwanda in 1994 and now acknowledges the inaction as a major mistake.
Zbigniew Brzezinski – CFR, Trilateral Commission – Brzezinski is widely seen as the man who created Al Qaeda, and was involved in the Carter Administration plan to give arms, funding and training to the mujahideen in Afghanistan.
Richard Clarke – CFR – Former chief counter-terrorism adviser on the U.S. National Security Council under Bush. Notoriously turned against the Bush administration after 9/11 and the invasion of Iraq. Also advised Madeleine Albright during the Genocide in Rwanda.
Ivo Daalder – CFR, Brookings, PNAC – Co-authored a Washington Post op-ed with neocon Robert Kagan arguing that interventionism is a bipartisan affair that should be undertaken with the approval of our democratic allies.
Dennis Ross – CFR, Trilateral Commission, PNAC – Served as the director for policy planning in the State Department under President George H. W. Bush and special Middle East coordinator under President Bill Clinton. A noted supporter of the Iraq war, Ross is also a Foreign Affairs Analyst for the Fox News Channel.
Lawrence Korb – CFR, Brookings – Director of National Security Studies at the Council on Foreign Relations. Has criticized manor of the invasion of Iraq but has detailed plans to increase the manpower of the United States Army to fight the war on terror and to "spread liberal democratic values throughout the Middle East".
Bruce Reidel – CFR, Brookings – Former CIA analyst who wishes to expand the war on terror to fight Al Qaeda across the globe. Considered to be the reason behind Barack Obama’s Hawkish views on Pakistan and his Pro India leanings on Kashmir.
Stephen Flynn – CFR – Has been attributed with the idea for Obama’s much vaunted "Civilian Security Force". Flynn has written: "The United States should roughly replicate the Federal Reserve model by creating a Federal Security Reserve System (FSRS) with a national board of governors, 10 regional Homeland Security Districts, and 92 local branches called Metropolitan Anti-Terrorism Committees. The objective of this system would be to develop self-funding mechanisms to more fully engage a broad cross-section of American society to protect the country’s critical foundations from the widespread disruption that would arise from a terrorist attack."
Madeline Albright - CFR, Brookings – Currently serves on the Council on Foreign Relations Board of directors. Secretary of State and US Ambassador to the United Nations under Clinton. Did not take action against the genocide in Rwanda. Defended the sanctions against Iraq under Saddam Hussein. When asked by CBS’s 60 Minutes about the effects of sanctions: "We have heard that half a million children have died. I mean, that’s more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?" Albright replied: "I think this is a very hard choice, but the price — we think the price is worth it."
This is by no means an exhaustive list. Of course, had John McCain become president, being a member of the CFR himself, his administration would have been replete with CFR representatives also. Max Boot, Lawrence Eagleburger and Henry Kissinger, to name but a few, are all CFR members and were all advisors to the McCain campaign.
Please do your own research and add more names in the comments section of this report. It is important to document how these people are a part of the engine of global elitism and do not represent change. Only with this understanding will others wake up to the false left-right paradigm and be able to create the environment for real political change.
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More recent article on Obama and the CFR:
Obama’s Council of Corporate Kingpins: “Prosperity for the American People”?
Andrew Gavin Marshall
July 21, 2011
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This article explores President Obama’s White House Council on Jobs and Competitiveness, examining the 26 members of the Council, looking at their current and previously-held positions, and assessing whose interests are really being served, and who has the ear of the Obama administration when it comes to economic issues. Much has been written on the chief economic advisers inside the Cabinet who represent banking and corporate interests, such as Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner who was previously the President of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York. Instead of re-examining the more widely known conflicts of interest within the administration, this article focuses on the White House council which is specifically tasked with advising on the supposed economic “recovery.” If they have the ear of the President, is it not important to know who pays their salaries?
Paul Volcker, former Chairman of the Federal Reserve System, was until recently, Chairman of the President’s Economic Recovery Advisory Board. Upon leaving, Jeffrey R. Immelt, the Chairman and CEO of the General Electric Company, became the new Chair of the Council. The Advisory Board was re-named the President’s Council on Jobs and Competitiveness. Until April of 2011, Immelt was also on the Board of Directors of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York (alongside JP Morgan Chase CEO Jamie Dimon).
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Who is represented on the Council?
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The Most Highly Represented Organizations on Obama’s Council on Jobs and Competitiveness:
1) The Council on Foreign Relations (8 members):
The CFR was founded in 1921, and was primarily funded in its first decades by the Rockefeller Foundation, the Carnegie Corporation, and later, the Ford Foundation. It is the premier foreign policy think tank in the United States. David Rockefeller, while Chairman and CEO of Chase Manhattan (now JP Morgan Chase) was Chairman of the CFR from 1970-1985, and remains as Honorary Chairman of the Board of Directors.
2) The Business Council (6 members)
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2) The Business Roundtable (6 members)
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3) Partnership for New York City (5 members)
The Partnership for New York City was formed out of the merger of two organizations: the New York Chamber of Commerce and Industry and the New York City Partnership. As its website states:
One of the most profitable corporations in the world, involved in energy, technology, real estate, aviation, healthcare, transportation, military contracting, oil and gas, power and water, appliances, and media.
4) McKinsey & Company (4 members)
One of the world’s premier global management consulting firms.
5) Google,The Procter & Gamble Company, Harvard University, and the Brookings Institution (3 members each)
The other organizations that are represented by membership on the President’s Council include: The Federal Reserve, Columbia University, The Walt Disney Company, The New America Foundation, Kodak, AT&T, MIT, The Economic Club of New York, American Express Corporation, Time Warner, Xerox Corporation, Amazon, Swiss Re, the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, the Blackstone Group, the Group of Thirty, DuPont, United Technologies, Morgan Stanley, UBS, Citigroup, Dime Bancorp, Hewlett-Packard, the US Chamber of Commerce, Facebook, the Peter G. Peterson Institute for International Economics, LaSalle Bank, the World Bank, AMR Corporation, General Motors, Dell, Bank of America, Credit Suisse, Intel, Starbucks, and the Rockefeller Foundation.
In total, ten different financial institutions are represented; three major foreign policy think tanks are represented (the Council on Foreign Relations, the Brookings Institution, and the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, all of which have over-lapping leadership, membership, and funding); six corporate interest groups are represented; four major media conglomerates are represented; eight computer technology and internet corporations are represented; eleven universities are represented, most of which are elite universities, with the highest representation for Harvard, Columbia, and MIT; several chemical companies, military contractors, and foundations, including the Rockefeller Foundation. For the stated purpose of creating “prosperity for the American people,” there are only two labour organizations represented, the AFL-CIO and UFCW.
So it would seem quite clear that those who have the ear of the President on economic matters do not represent the vast majority of American citizens, who – by and large – do not sit as executives or board members of multinational corporations, global banks, powerful think tanks, major foundations, elite universities, or business interest groups. Do you really trust these people to speak for you, your needs, what a real economic “recovery” means for you?
One must ask, if their aim is to – as their website states – create “prosperity for the American people,” did they only have a very specific and small fraction of “American people” in mind? Well, as they say, the proof is in the pudding.
Appendix: Notable Names
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Ursula M. Burns: Chairman and CEO of Xerox Corporation; board director with American Express Company.
Steve Case: co-founder, America Online; Chairman and CEO, Revolution, LLC; Chairman, The Case Foundation.
Kenneth I. Chenault: Chairman and CEO, American Express Company; board director of IBM, the Procter & Gamble Company, and the World Trade Center Memorial Foundation; on the boards of the Partnership for New York City, The Business Council and the Business Roundtable and serves as Vice Chairman of each of these organizations; member, Council on Foreign Relations.
John Doerr: a partner at Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers; on the boards of Google and Amazon.com; on the boards of New Schools, TechNet, ONE and the Aspen Institute.
Roger W. Ferguson: President and Chief Executive Officer of TIAA-CREF; Vice Chairman of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System from 1999 to 2006; Vice Chairman of the Board of Trustees of the New York Economic Club; previously a Trustee of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, the National Bureau of Economic Research and the New America Foundation; member of the Council on Foreign Relations and the Group of Thirty; former Chairman of Swiss Re America Holding Corporation, former Associate and Partner at McKinsey & Company.
Mark T. Gallogly: Cofounder and Managing Principal of Centerbridge Partners (Centerbridge is an investment firm with over $15 billion of assets under management); previously with the Blackstone Group for 16 years; currently serves on the advisory council of the Hamilton Project, an economic policy group at the Brookings Institution, Columbia Business School board of overseers, the board of directors of the Dana Corporation, is a partner of the Partnership for New York and member of the Economic Club of New York.
Lewis Hay: Chairman and CEO of NextEra Energy, Inc.; serves on the board of directors of Capital One and Harris Corporation; a vice chairman of the Edison Electric Institute (EEI), the association of U.S. shareholder-owned electric companies; a member of the Business Board of Advisors at Carnegie Mellon University’s Tepper School of Business, and a member of the Business Roundtable.
Ellen Kullman: Chair and CEO of DuPont; a member of the U.S.-India CEO Forum, the Business Council, and the executive committee of SCI-America; a member of the board of directors of United Technologies Corp; is on the board of trustees of Tufts University and serves on the board of overseers at Tufts University School of Engineering; and previously worked for General Electric.
A.G. Lafley: Former Chairman and CEO of Procter & Gamble; serves on the board of directors of GE and board of trustees of Hamilton College and is chairman of the Cincinnati Center City Development Corporation; has also served as a director at General Motors Corporation and Dell Inc.
Monica Lozano: Senior Vice President of media conglomerate, Impremedia, LLC.; on the board of directors of the Walt Disney Company and Bank of America.
Jim McNerney: Chairman and CEO, the Boeing Company; previously worked at Procter & Gamble, McKinsey & Company, and General Electric; former Chairman and CEO of 3M (a $20 billion global technology company); is also a board director of Procter & Gamble, IBM, a member of The Field Museum Board of Trustees in Chicago, a trustee of Northwestern University, and a member of the Northwestern Memorial HealthCare Board; serves on the executive committee of The Business Roundtable; the former chair of The Business Council, the US-China Business Council and the American Society of Corporate Executives.
Richard D. Parsons: Chairman of the board of Citigroup, Inc.; a Senior Advisor at Providence Equity Partners Inc.; former Chairman of the Board and CEO of Time Warner, Inc.; Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of Dime Bancorp, Inc.; former counsel for Nelson Rockefeller and as a senior White House aide under President Gerald Ford; also a member of the boards of The Estee Lauder Companies, Inc. and Madison Square Garden, Inc., and is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations and is on the board of Trustees of the Rockefeller Foundation.
Antonio M. Perez: Chairman and CEO, Eastman Kodak Company; previously had a 25-year career at Hewlett-Packard Company, where he was a corporate vice president and a member of the company’s Executive Council; a member of The Business Council and the Business Roundtable; and was a former member of the Board of Directors of Adobe, Freescale and Schering-Plough Corporation.
Penny Pritzker: President and CEO, Pritzker Realty Group; serves on the board of Hyatt Hotels Corporation and a past board member of the Wrigley Company, Marmon Group and LaSalle Bank Corporation; and is a board member of the Council on Foreign Relations, a trustee of Stanford University, a trustee of the John F. Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts, an advisory board member of Brookings Institution’s Hamilton Project.
Brian Roberts: Chairman and CEO, Comcast Corporation; is a member of the Business Roundtable, a CEO only organization based in Washington, D.C. and also serves on the Board of Directors for NBCUniversal.
Matthew Rose: Chairman and CEO, BNSF Railway; is a member of the Board of Directors of AMR Corporation, AT&T Inc., the Association of American Railroads, and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce; and is also a member of the Texas Governor’s Business Council, the Business Roundtable, The Business Council, the Board of Trustees of Texas Christian University.
Sheryl Sandberg: Chief Operating Officer, Facebook; previously Vice President of Global Online Sales and Operations at Google; previously served as Chief of Staff for the United States Treasury Department under President Bill Clinton; prior to that she was a management consultant with McKinsey & Company and an economist with the World Bank; and she currently serves on the boards of The Walt Disney Company, Starbucks, Women for Women International, Center for Global Development and V-Day.
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Laura D’Andrea Tyson: Professor of Global Management, Haas School of Business, UC Berkeley; served in the Clinton Administration and was the Chair of The Council of Economic Advisers (1993-1995) and the President’s National Economic Adviser (1995 – 1996); a Senior Advisor at the McKinsey Global Institute, Credit Suisse Research Institute, and The Rock Creek Group; a Senior Fellow at the Center for American Progress and is a member of the MIT Corporation; on the Advisory Council of the Brookings Institution Hamilton Project and is an Advisory Board member of Newman’s Own, Generation Investment Management, and H&Q Asia Pacific; is a chair for the World Economic Forum’s Global Agenda Council, and serves as a member of the Boards of Directors of Eastman Kodak Company, Morgan Stanley, AT&T, Silver Spring Networks, CB Richard Ellis, the Peter G. Peterson Institute of International Economics, and New America Foundation, and a member of the Council on Foreign Relations.
Robert Wolf: Chairman for UBS Americas and President for UBS Investment Bank; a member of the Council on Foreign Relations and on the Committee Encouraging Corporate Philanthropy and was on the Board of Directors of the Financial Services Roundtable from 2007-2010.
Andrew Gavin Marshall is an independent researcher and writer based in Montreal, Canada, writing on a number of social, political, economic, and historical issues. He is co-editor of the book, “The Global Economic Crisis: The Great Depression of the XXI Century.” His website is Invalid Link Removed
Obama’s Council of Corporate Kingpins: “Prosperity for the American People”?
Andrew Gavin Marshall
July 21, 2011
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This article explores President Obama’s White House Council on Jobs and Competitiveness, examining the 26 members of the Council, looking at their current and previously-held positions, and assessing whose interests are really being served, and who has the ear of the Obama administration when it comes to economic issues. Much has been written on the chief economic advisers inside the Cabinet who represent banking and corporate interests, such as Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner who was previously the President of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York. Instead of re-examining the more widely known conflicts of interest within the administration, this article focuses on the White House council which is specifically tasked with advising on the supposed economic “recovery.” If they have the ear of the President, is it not important to know who pays their salaries?
Paul Volcker, former Chairman of the Federal Reserve System, was until recently, Chairman of the President’s Economic Recovery Advisory Board. Upon leaving, Jeffrey R. Immelt, the Chairman and CEO of the General Electric Company, became the new Chair of the Council. The Advisory Board was re-named the President’s Council on Jobs and Competitiveness. Until April of 2011, Immelt was also on the Board of Directors of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York (alongside JP Morgan Chase CEO Jamie Dimon).
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The President’s Council on Jobs and Competitiveness (Jobs Council) was created to provide non-partisan advice to the President on continuing to strengthen the Nation’s economy and ensure the competitiveness of the United States and on ways to create jobs, opportunity, and prosperity for the American people.
The Council will:
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So, if the Council provides “non-partisan advice” to the Obama administration “to create jobs, opportunity, and prosperity for the American people,” it would perhaps seem important to identify who these people are, as they profess to serve the interests of the wider population. Below, I will examine brief biographies of most of the members of the Council, focusing on the ones that represent corporate interests. However, below these brief outlines, I will undertake a more cohesive examination of the make-up of the Council.
Who is represented on the Council?
A Note on the Data: The information examined was Invalid Link Removed on the White House website of the 26 members of the Council, as well as use of the Council on Foreign Relations’ Invalid Link Removed, and some additional research retrieved from official biographies on other board memberships. The collection of information is related to discovering which organizations and institutions are most highly represented on the Council. To assess this, the results are based upon positions currently and previously held by members of the Council. Thus, if one member had previously worked for a major bank, but is no longer with that bank, it is still included as being represented in the Council. I chose to analyze the information this way for the same reason that one would look at Timothy Geithner’s previous job in order to assess whose interests he speaks for. Having worked at a bank or major corporation in senior positions would have a significant impact upon the advice one gives on economic issues, regardless of their present affiliation with that bank or corporation. Hence, this is a cumulative assessment of the past and present affiliations of the President’s Council on Jobs and Competitiveness.
The Most Highly Represented Organizations on Obama’s Council on Jobs and Competitiveness:
1) The Council on Foreign Relations (8 members):
The CFR was founded in 1921, and was primarily funded in its first decades by the Rockefeller Foundation, the Carnegie Corporation, and later, the Ford Foundation. It is the premier foreign policy think tank in the United States. David Rockefeller, while Chairman and CEO of Chase Manhattan (now JP Morgan Chase) was Chairman of the CFR from 1970-1985, and remains as Honorary Chairman of the Board of Directors.
2) The Business Council (6 members)
Founded in 1933, the BC is an organization of corporate executives which (according to its website), “Invalid Link Removed, politics, academia, science, medicine, technology and other sectors to address the Council and to participate in its discussions.” It was primarily an advisory body to the U.S. Department of Commerce until 1961 when it “decided to broaden its scope” to “be Invalid Link Removed which requested their services.” The Chairman of the Business Council is Invalid Link Removed, who is on the board of directors of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, and is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations.
2) The Business Roundtable (6 members)
The BRT “is an association of chief executive officers of leading U.S. companies with Invalid Link Removed in annual revenues,” established in 1972 “on the belief that in a pluralistic society, businesses should play an active and effective role in the formation of public policy.” The Executive Committee of the BRT includes JP Morgan Chase CEO Jamie Dimon. Four of the nineteen members of the Executive Committee of the BRT are also members of Obama’s Council on Jobs and Competitiveness.
3) Partnership for New York City (5 members)
The Partnership for New York City was formed out of the merger of two organizations: the New York Chamber of Commerce and Industry and the New York City Partnership. As its website states:
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4) General Electric (4 members)
One of the most profitable corporations in the world, involved in energy, technology, real estate, aviation, healthcare, transportation, military contracting, oil and gas, power and water, appliances, and media.
4) McKinsey & Company (4 members)
One of the world’s premier global management consulting firms.
5) Google,The Procter & Gamble Company, Harvard University, and the Brookings Institution (3 members each)
The other organizations that are represented by membership on the President’s Council include: The Federal Reserve, Columbia University, The Walt Disney Company, The New America Foundation, Kodak, AT&T, MIT, The Economic Club of New York, American Express Corporation, Time Warner, Xerox Corporation, Amazon, Swiss Re, the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, the Blackstone Group, the Group of Thirty, DuPont, United Technologies, Morgan Stanley, UBS, Citigroup, Dime Bancorp, Hewlett-Packard, the US Chamber of Commerce, Facebook, the Peter G. Peterson Institute for International Economics, LaSalle Bank, the World Bank, AMR Corporation, General Motors, Dell, Bank of America, Credit Suisse, Intel, Starbucks, and the Rockefeller Foundation.
In total, ten different financial institutions are represented; three major foreign policy think tanks are represented (the Council on Foreign Relations, the Brookings Institution, and the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, all of which have over-lapping leadership, membership, and funding); six corporate interest groups are represented; four major media conglomerates are represented; eight computer technology and internet corporations are represented; eleven universities are represented, most of which are elite universities, with the highest representation for Harvard, Columbia, and MIT; several chemical companies, military contractors, and foundations, including the Rockefeller Foundation. For the stated purpose of creating “prosperity for the American people,” there are only two labour organizations represented, the AFL-CIO and UFCW.
So it would seem quite clear that those who have the ear of the President on economic matters do not represent the vast majority of American citizens, who – by and large – do not sit as executives or board members of multinational corporations, global banks, powerful think tanks, major foundations, elite universities, or business interest groups. Do you really trust these people to speak for you, your needs, what a real economic “recovery” means for you?
One must ask, if their aim is to – as their website states – create “prosperity for the American people,” did they only have a very specific and small fraction of “American people” in mind? Well, as they say, the proof is in the pudding.
Appendix: Notable Names
The following is a biographical list of selected individuals from Invalid Link Removed
Ursula M. Burns: Chairman and CEO of Xerox Corporation; board director with American Express Company.
Steve Case: co-founder, America Online; Chairman and CEO, Revolution, LLC; Chairman, The Case Foundation.
Kenneth I. Chenault: Chairman and CEO, American Express Company; board director of IBM, the Procter & Gamble Company, and the World Trade Center Memorial Foundation; on the boards of the Partnership for New York City, The Business Council and the Business Roundtable and serves as Vice Chairman of each of these organizations; member, Council on Foreign Relations.
John Doerr: a partner at Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers; on the boards of Google and Amazon.com; on the boards of New Schools, TechNet, ONE and the Aspen Institute.
Roger W. Ferguson: President and Chief Executive Officer of TIAA-CREF; Vice Chairman of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System from 1999 to 2006; Vice Chairman of the Board of Trustees of the New York Economic Club; previously a Trustee of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, the National Bureau of Economic Research and the New America Foundation; member of the Council on Foreign Relations and the Group of Thirty; former Chairman of Swiss Re America Holding Corporation, former Associate and Partner at McKinsey & Company.
Mark T. Gallogly: Cofounder and Managing Principal of Centerbridge Partners (Centerbridge is an investment firm with over $15 billion of assets under management); previously with the Blackstone Group for 16 years; currently serves on the advisory council of the Hamilton Project, an economic policy group at the Brookings Institution, Columbia Business School board of overseers, the board of directors of the Dana Corporation, is a partner of the Partnership for New York and member of the Economic Club of New York.
Lewis Hay: Chairman and CEO of NextEra Energy, Inc.; serves on the board of directors of Capital One and Harris Corporation; a vice chairman of the Edison Electric Institute (EEI), the association of U.S. shareholder-owned electric companies; a member of the Business Board of Advisors at Carnegie Mellon University’s Tepper School of Business, and a member of the Business Roundtable.
Ellen Kullman: Chair and CEO of DuPont; a member of the U.S.-India CEO Forum, the Business Council, and the executive committee of SCI-America; a member of the board of directors of United Technologies Corp; is on the board of trustees of Tufts University and serves on the board of overseers at Tufts University School of Engineering; and previously worked for General Electric.
A.G. Lafley: Former Chairman and CEO of Procter & Gamble; serves on the board of directors of GE and board of trustees of Hamilton College and is chairman of the Cincinnati Center City Development Corporation; has also served as a director at General Motors Corporation and Dell Inc.
Monica Lozano: Senior Vice President of media conglomerate, Impremedia, LLC.; on the board of directors of the Walt Disney Company and Bank of America.
Jim McNerney: Chairman and CEO, the Boeing Company; previously worked at Procter & Gamble, McKinsey & Company, and General Electric; former Chairman and CEO of 3M (a $20 billion global technology company); is also a board director of Procter & Gamble, IBM, a member of The Field Museum Board of Trustees in Chicago, a trustee of Northwestern University, and a member of the Northwestern Memorial HealthCare Board; serves on the executive committee of The Business Roundtable; the former chair of The Business Council, the US-China Business Council and the American Society of Corporate Executives.
Richard D. Parsons: Chairman of the board of Citigroup, Inc.; a Senior Advisor at Providence Equity Partners Inc.; former Chairman of the Board and CEO of Time Warner, Inc.; Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of Dime Bancorp, Inc.; former counsel for Nelson Rockefeller and as a senior White House aide under President Gerald Ford; also a member of the boards of The Estee Lauder Companies, Inc. and Madison Square Garden, Inc., and is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations and is on the board of Trustees of the Rockefeller Foundation.
Antonio M. Perez: Chairman and CEO, Eastman Kodak Company; previously had a 25-year career at Hewlett-Packard Company, where he was a corporate vice president and a member of the company’s Executive Council; a member of The Business Council and the Business Roundtable; and was a former member of the Board of Directors of Adobe, Freescale and Schering-Plough Corporation.
Penny Pritzker: President and CEO, Pritzker Realty Group; serves on the board of Hyatt Hotels Corporation and a past board member of the Wrigley Company, Marmon Group and LaSalle Bank Corporation; and is a board member of the Council on Foreign Relations, a trustee of Stanford University, a trustee of the John F. Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts, an advisory board member of Brookings Institution’s Hamilton Project.
Brian Roberts: Chairman and CEO, Comcast Corporation; is a member of the Business Roundtable, a CEO only organization based in Washington, D.C. and also serves on the Board of Directors for NBCUniversal.
Matthew Rose: Chairman and CEO, BNSF Railway; is a member of the Board of Directors of AMR Corporation, AT&T Inc., the Association of American Railroads, and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce; and is also a member of the Texas Governor’s Business Council, the Business Roundtable, The Business Council, the Board of Trustees of Texas Christian University.
Sheryl Sandberg: Chief Operating Officer, Facebook; previously Vice President of Global Online Sales and Operations at Google; previously served as Chief of Staff for the United States Treasury Department under President Bill Clinton; prior to that she was a management consultant with McKinsey & Company and an economist with the World Bank; and she currently serves on the boards of The Walt Disney Company, Starbucks, Women for Women International, Center for Global Development and V-Day.
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Laura D’Andrea Tyson: Professor of Global Management, Haas School of Business, UC Berkeley; served in the Clinton Administration and was the Chair of The Council of Economic Advisers (1993-1995) and the President’s National Economic Adviser (1995 – 1996); a Senior Advisor at the McKinsey Global Institute, Credit Suisse Research Institute, and The Rock Creek Group; a Senior Fellow at the Center for American Progress and is a member of the MIT Corporation; on the Advisory Council of the Brookings Institution Hamilton Project and is an Advisory Board member of Newman’s Own, Generation Investment Management, and H&Q Asia Pacific; is a chair for the World Economic Forum’s Global Agenda Council, and serves as a member of the Boards of Directors of Eastman Kodak Company, Morgan Stanley, AT&T, Silver Spring Networks, CB Richard Ellis, the Peter G. Peterson Institute of International Economics, and New America Foundation, and a member of the Council on Foreign Relations.
Robert Wolf: Chairman for UBS Americas and President for UBS Investment Bank; a member of the Council on Foreign Relations and on the Committee Encouraging Corporate Philanthropy and was on the Board of Directors of the Financial Services Roundtable from 2007-2010.
Andrew Gavin Marshall is an independent researcher and writer based in Montreal, Canada, writing on a number of social, political, economic, and historical issues. He is co-editor of the book, “The Global Economic Crisis: The Great Depression of the XXI Century.” His website is Invalid Link Removed
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The Dirt on Jon M. Huntsman, Jr
Gov. Huntsman's CFR Membership -- The Rest of the Story
by William Norman Grigg
August 3, 2005
Gov. Jon Huntsman's CFR Membership -- The Rest of the Story
Utah Governor Jon M. Huntsman, Jr., emerging as the focal point of a "solution" to illegal immigration, has an unsettling record where U.S. interests are concerned. An alert reader of The New American has pointed out that the name of Utah Governor Jon M. Huntsman, Jr. no longer appears on the membership roster for the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR). In a brief item entitled Invalid Link Removed we erroneously reported that Governor Huntsman was a current member of the Council.
Huntsman has been a member of the globalist organization, and has played a significant role in the unfolding campaign to build a system of global governance through the creation of multilateral "free trade" pacts. These facts are significant in light of his emergence as an Establishment-approved point man dealing with the problem of illegal immigration from Mexico and Latin America.
Jon M. Huntsman, Jr. was listed as a member of the CFR from 1993 to 1998. In a mini-essay published in the group’s 1996 Annual Report, Huntsman praised the globalist group effusively, extolling the CFR as "America’s premier crossroads for those who are internationally minded and experienced…."
From an early age, Huntsman the younger has mingled with "internationally minded" cognoscenti. Invalid Link Removed: "When John M. Huntsman Jr. was about 11 years old, visiting the White House where his father worked as a special assistant to President Richard Nixon, he happened to run into Henry Kissinger. The boy walked Kissinger out to his car, and the national security adviser mentioned he was leaving on a trip. He was going to China" as part of one of his "secret first treks to China" to open diplomatic relations with the Communist behemoth.
Early in the first term of George W. Bush, the younger, Huntsman (who speaks Mandarin as the result of missionary service in Taiwan) was reportedly "on the short list" to be appointed ambassador to Beijing. (In the administration of Bush the elder, Huntsman served as ambassador to Singapore.) Instead, he was appointed deputy U.S. trade representative and tasked to oversee U.S. trade policy with Asia. At the time he spoke enthusiastically of "fulfilling [President Bush’s] vision for America in the area of international trade."
That vision, as Invalid Link Removed, involves the use of "free trade" pacts – both bilateral agreements and regional accords such as the recently enacted Central American Free Trade Agreement – to build a global trade system managed by the Geneva-based World Trade Organization (WTO).
During his Senate confirmation hearings, reported the July 31, 2001 Deseret News, Huntsman specifically mentioned that he would play a role in "China’s accession to the World Trade Organization." Just last January, the WTO lifted the worldwide system of national textile import quotas, which effectively turned the world textile market over to China. A year ago, the Christian Science Monitor predicted that this would bring about "a massive transfer of jobs and wealth in the developing world over the next few years" – from the impoverished, textile-producing nations of the CAFTA region to China. This will almost certainly result in another wave of immigration, legal, and illegal, from Latin America northward. And John M. Huntsman Jr. now stands ready to help craft a "solution" to a problem he helped exacerbate.
This brings us back to Invalid Link Removed During his recent meeting in Mexico with Vicente Fox, Huntsman offered assurances that he would work with other members of the Western Governors’ Association to find a "solution" to the problem of illegal immigration. The preferred arrangement, Huntsman said, would be to "work on mobility of the work force" – a perspective that syncs up with the Bush administration’s proposed amnesty for illegal aliens.
Governor Huntsman’s approach Invalid Link Removed, a regional president of Zions Bank of Utah and the incoming chairman of the board of directors of the Utah Hispanic Chamber of Commerce. "For President Fox to hear the Utah governor is going to push an agenda for immigration reform … that's music to his ears," he commented.
Mr. Reyna should know. As a member of Mexico’s Institute for Mexicans Abroad, he is an official adviser to Vicente Fox. Invalid Link RemovedReyna joined Patricia Deluera, the Mexican consul general in Salt Lake City, to denounce as "racist" a proposed legislative measure that would make it more difficult for illegal immigrants to obtain state driver’s licenses. He was also "one of only 40 Hispanic leaders invited to attend the Washington announcement" of George W. Bush’s proposed illegal alien amnesty, reported Invalid Link RemovedInvalid Link Removed.
While Governor Huntsman hasn’t offered substantive details about his immigration "solution," it’s reasonable to believe that the enchanting "music" he’s performing for Vicente Fox’s enjoyment is the overture to another sell-out of our national interests.
Gov. Huntsman's CFR Membership -- The Rest of the Story
by William Norman Grigg
August 3, 2005
Gov. Jon Huntsman's CFR Membership -- The Rest of the Story
Utah Governor Jon M. Huntsman, Jr., emerging as the focal point of a "solution" to illegal immigration, has an unsettling record where U.S. interests are concerned. An alert reader of The New American has pointed out that the name of Utah Governor Jon M. Huntsman, Jr. no longer appears on the membership roster for the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR). In a brief item entitled Invalid Link Removed we erroneously reported that Governor Huntsman was a current member of the Council.
Huntsman has been a member of the globalist organization, and has played a significant role in the unfolding campaign to build a system of global governance through the creation of multilateral "free trade" pacts. These facts are significant in light of his emergence as an Establishment-approved point man dealing with the problem of illegal immigration from Mexico and Latin America.
Jon M. Huntsman, Jr. was listed as a member of the CFR from 1993 to 1998. In a mini-essay published in the group’s 1996 Annual Report, Huntsman praised the globalist group effusively, extolling the CFR as "America’s premier crossroads for those who are internationally minded and experienced…."
From an early age, Huntsman the younger has mingled with "internationally minded" cognoscenti. Invalid Link Removed: "When John M. Huntsman Jr. was about 11 years old, visiting the White House where his father worked as a special assistant to President Richard Nixon, he happened to run into Henry Kissinger. The boy walked Kissinger out to his car, and the national security adviser mentioned he was leaving on a trip. He was going to China" as part of one of his "secret first treks to China" to open diplomatic relations with the Communist behemoth.
Early in the first term of George W. Bush, the younger, Huntsman (who speaks Mandarin as the result of missionary service in Taiwan) was reportedly "on the short list" to be appointed ambassador to Beijing. (In the administration of Bush the elder, Huntsman served as ambassador to Singapore.) Instead, he was appointed deputy U.S. trade representative and tasked to oversee U.S. trade policy with Asia. At the time he spoke enthusiastically of "fulfilling [President Bush’s] vision for America in the area of international trade."
That vision, as Invalid Link Removed, involves the use of "free trade" pacts – both bilateral agreements and regional accords such as the recently enacted Central American Free Trade Agreement – to build a global trade system managed by the Geneva-based World Trade Organization (WTO).
During his Senate confirmation hearings, reported the July 31, 2001 Deseret News, Huntsman specifically mentioned that he would play a role in "China’s accession to the World Trade Organization." Just last January, the WTO lifted the worldwide system of national textile import quotas, which effectively turned the world textile market over to China. A year ago, the Christian Science Monitor predicted that this would bring about "a massive transfer of jobs and wealth in the developing world over the next few years" – from the impoverished, textile-producing nations of the CAFTA region to China. This will almost certainly result in another wave of immigration, legal, and illegal, from Latin America northward. And John M. Huntsman Jr. now stands ready to help craft a "solution" to a problem he helped exacerbate.
This brings us back to Invalid Link Removed During his recent meeting in Mexico with Vicente Fox, Huntsman offered assurances that he would work with other members of the Western Governors’ Association to find a "solution" to the problem of illegal immigration. The preferred arrangement, Huntsman said, would be to "work on mobility of the work force" – a perspective that syncs up with the Bush administration’s proposed amnesty for illegal aliens.
Governor Huntsman’s approach Invalid Link Removed, a regional president of Zions Bank of Utah and the incoming chairman of the board of directors of the Utah Hispanic Chamber of Commerce. "For President Fox to hear the Utah governor is going to push an agenda for immigration reform … that's music to his ears," he commented.
Mr. Reyna should know. As a member of Mexico’s Institute for Mexicans Abroad, he is an official adviser to Vicente Fox. Invalid Link RemovedReyna joined Patricia Deluera, the Mexican consul general in Salt Lake City, to denounce as "racist" a proposed legislative measure that would make it more difficult for illegal immigrants to obtain state driver’s licenses. He was also "one of only 40 Hispanic leaders invited to attend the Washington announcement" of George W. Bush’s proposed illegal alien amnesty, reported Invalid Link RemovedInvalid Link Removed.
While Governor Huntsman hasn’t offered substantive details about his immigration "solution," it’s reasonable to believe that the enchanting "music" he’s performing for Vicente Fox’s enjoyment is the overture to another sell-out of our national interests.
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Ax, I never denied the existence of the CFR or any other group for that matter. However, the specifics of what they do is only "known" as a result of people like Jones, who are nothing more than disinfo people themselves.
If these people are as big and bad as you say, Jones releasing info, would lead to the disappearance of Jones. He is great for these groups. He spreads crap, and the tinfoil party eat it with a spoon.
If these people are as big and bad as you say, Jones releasing info, would lead to the disappearance of Jones. He is great for these groups. He spreads crap, and the tinfoil party eat it with a spoon.
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The people involved in the CFR are the some of the most crooked people on earth, which is reasoning of why Im convinced. Who has more blood and death on their hands than Obama, Bush and Dick Cheney? Thats just to name a few.
I honestly did not need Alex Jones to convince me how crooked the CFR is, if you understand what Im trying to say.
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Thats not true imo, he unveils documents, government whistleblowers, scientists, etc...and as I have said he is ahead of his time and much of what he talked about several years ago has come out to be true such as the TSA for example, and all the wars currently going on in the middle east. I need to see what has been dis-proven of his, which he wont be accurate all the time but we are talking about the man who warned us several months before 9/11 that the government was going to stage a terror attack on our homeland.
They are working on killing freedom on the internet so they are trying to shut him up, but not only him of course Alex is just 1 small figure.
Edit: Just to add, Alex is just one guy, there are multiple sources I pay attention too, online but as well as in person.
I never convince myself 100% of anything, as once you come to conclusions your mind stops functioning so your thoughts do have a piece in my mind, but I dont see enough to discredit Alex and I see everything to discredit mainstream media.
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Ron Paul Widens MSNBC/NBC Presidential Poll Lead; Over 205,000 Votes Now Cast
Friday, September 9, 2011 - 03:05 Invalid Link Removed MSNBC's First Read continues attracting votes for its post-Presidential Republican Debate poll. As of 3:30 a.m. Sept 9, more than 205,000 votes have been cast. Ron Paul has widened his lead over Mitt Romney and Rick Perry. Paul has 57.1%, Romney 14.5%, and Perry 12.4%.
Invalid Link RemovedRon Paul widens lead in MSNBC debate online straw poll
Despite the thunderous “thumbs up” for Paul, mainstream media continues to virtually ignore the poll results and the comments about a candidate that the public has enshrined yet the media continues to write him off as not a serious contender for the Presidential nomination. MSNBC, the New York Times, Washington Post, and L.A. Times all called the debate a Romney vs. Perry event.
“The New York Times, like everyone else, frames last night’s debate a clash between Perry and Romney,” states First Read from MSNBC/NBC.
Those writing short comments in the poll have even slammed the website for disproportionate graphs of the on line straw vote results. Paul’s green line reflecting 57% (over 117,500 votes) is only twice as long as that of second place finisher, Romney, who has received about 25,500 votes.
A non-supporter of Paul stressed the bar graph is “really deceptive,” then ponders whether the Daily Show’s Jon Stewart is “on to something about Ron Paul and the media.” Another admits that in 2008 he voted for Obama. However, the “independent” voter repeats that three years ago the candidates were elitists chosen for us. “They are trying to do it again. The press will not make my choice. Dr. Paul does not waiver and explains himself well. We the people are fed up with elite telling us how we should think.”
A California attorney also questions the pre-determined Romney/Perry express:
“The media attention to those two losers calling them a winner, compared to the poll by the American people that clearly shows Ron Paul by more than 2:1 over Romney? This is just more proof that the media is attempting to control the political outcome. People, do not be fooled. Ron Paul says what he means and means what he says. How come they are so afraid of Ron Paul? Is it because that the federal reserve is going to be shutdown? I mean how the hell can they print money with no value and lend it to us at interest? Biggest scam of them all if you ask me......”
One writer stated on Sept. 8 at about 4 a.m. that the Paul poll win was fueled solely by Paul supporters using the internet. But, the writer’s prediction backfired --- “by midday tomorrow, Paul will have slid to his proper place, midway to the bottom.”
Instead , he has widened his lead in first place.
LIMITED TO THREE QUESTIONS
Invalid Link RemovedPerry appears upset that Ron Paul mentioned his prior support of Hillary Clinton's health plan
Respondents emphasize that Paul received only three questions during the debate, but “every time he was allowed to talk, he rocked it.”
More specifically, “Dr. Paul is the only one who has never wavered from his set goals which are truly in line with liberty and real conservative values,” a respondent wrote.
“Who do you think won the Republican debate at the Reagan library” has attained over 50 pages of comments from poll voters. And, those commenting have Ron Paul on their mind.
“Ron Paul is the only guy who understands what truly ails America,” the most recent posting reads. Another stated, “the cowardly media is despicable for ignoring him.”
Following President Obama’s jobs speech, John Huntsman, Michele Bachmann and Rick Santorum have appeared, for instance, on Fox News.
One writer admits that he does not agree with all that Paul advocates. Still, he believes the words from a twelve term Congressman resonate:
I mean the guy is a 12-term congressman, so obviously when people are allowed to actually hear his message it resonates with them.
Invalid Link RemovedPaul confronted at debate by Perry
Furthermore, these debates are structured in such a way that makes genuine discussion about the issues very difficult. Candidates get a limited amount of time to respond, which is understandable, but it means that they have to condense their arguments into easily digestible sound bytes. It waters down the issues and it makes the American people stupider because they are only exposed to simple arguments and not given the chance to listen to a more articulate and complex argument, like the kind Dr. Paul makes.”
One “vexed” respondent stated that Paul knows “nothing about national security.” But, the writer has obviously not spoken with military families --- Paul already leads a poll amongst those serving in the Armed Forces. He’s also a member of another minority --- he’s one of the few veterans running for the Presidential office.
Interestingly, one writer complains about Paul, but he states that former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, another candidate overlooked by media, “did a much better job than all the rest.” Still, Newt’s not his choice for the job: “If Sarah Palin runs, I’m campaigning for her, Obama out 2012.”
Finally, one of those voting in the poll analyzes that “Paul by his 40 plus years of writing and speaking to youthful populations, Ron Paul has already set [the nation] on a path to healing. Due to the life and times of Dr..Ron Paul we now have what we need to overcome.” The writer suggests that whether he wins the most votes in the dash for the Oval Office, “ Ron ,Paul has already won” by shaking and waking Americans to see through the myths foisted upon them by the media. In essence, the popularity of Dr. Paul means that Americans are done with apathetic listening, now, they are ready to think seriously about the responsibility and consequences of choices made at the ballot box.
So, what's next? CNN's Tea Party debate. Will that network be more objectivie? So far, they have limited their poll to only THREE GOP candidates? Guess they do not have the ball to put all the names in the poll and let the internet voters do the rest.. But if they have only three listed candidates, they have removed America's right to vote for the candidate of not the media's choice, but the people's choice.
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Friday, September 9, 2011 - 03:05 Invalid Link Removed MSNBC's First Read continues attracting votes for its post-Presidential Republican Debate poll. As of 3:30 a.m. Sept 9, more than 205,000 votes have been cast. Ron Paul has widened his lead over Mitt Romney and Rick Perry. Paul has 57.1%, Romney 14.5%, and Perry 12.4%.
Invalid Link RemovedRon Paul widens lead in MSNBC debate online straw poll
Despite the thunderous “thumbs up” for Paul, mainstream media continues to virtually ignore the poll results and the comments about a candidate that the public has enshrined yet the media continues to write him off as not a serious contender for the Presidential nomination. MSNBC, the New York Times, Washington Post, and L.A. Times all called the debate a Romney vs. Perry event.
“The New York Times, like everyone else, frames last night’s debate a clash between Perry and Romney,” states First Read from MSNBC/NBC.
Those writing short comments in the poll have even slammed the website for disproportionate graphs of the on line straw vote results. Paul’s green line reflecting 57% (over 117,500 votes) is only twice as long as that of second place finisher, Romney, who has received about 25,500 votes.
A non-supporter of Paul stressed the bar graph is “really deceptive,” then ponders whether the Daily Show’s Jon Stewart is “on to something about Ron Paul and the media.” Another admits that in 2008 he voted for Obama. However, the “independent” voter repeats that three years ago the candidates were elitists chosen for us. “They are trying to do it again. The press will not make my choice. Dr. Paul does not waiver and explains himself well. We the people are fed up with elite telling us how we should think.”
A California attorney also questions the pre-determined Romney/Perry express:
“The media attention to those two losers calling them a winner, compared to the poll by the American people that clearly shows Ron Paul by more than 2:1 over Romney? This is just more proof that the media is attempting to control the political outcome. People, do not be fooled. Ron Paul says what he means and means what he says. How come they are so afraid of Ron Paul? Is it because that the federal reserve is going to be shutdown? I mean how the hell can they print money with no value and lend it to us at interest? Biggest scam of them all if you ask me......”
One writer stated on Sept. 8 at about 4 a.m. that the Paul poll win was fueled solely by Paul supporters using the internet. But, the writer’s prediction backfired --- “by midday tomorrow, Paul will have slid to his proper place, midway to the bottom.”
Instead , he has widened his lead in first place.
LIMITED TO THREE QUESTIONS
Invalid Link RemovedPerry appears upset that Ron Paul mentioned his prior support of Hillary Clinton's health plan
Respondents emphasize that Paul received only three questions during the debate, but “every time he was allowed to talk, he rocked it.”
More specifically, “Dr. Paul is the only one who has never wavered from his set goals which are truly in line with liberty and real conservative values,” a respondent wrote.
“Who do you think won the Republican debate at the Reagan library” has attained over 50 pages of comments from poll voters. And, those commenting have Ron Paul on their mind.
“Ron Paul is the only guy who understands what truly ails America,” the most recent posting reads. Another stated, “the cowardly media is despicable for ignoring him.”
Following President Obama’s jobs speech, John Huntsman, Michele Bachmann and Rick Santorum have appeared, for instance, on Fox News.
One writer admits that he does not agree with all that Paul advocates. Still, he believes the words from a twelve term Congressman resonate:
I mean the guy is a 12-term congressman, so obviously when people are allowed to actually hear his message it resonates with them.
Invalid Link RemovedPaul confronted at debate by Perry
Furthermore, these debates are structured in such a way that makes genuine discussion about the issues very difficult. Candidates get a limited amount of time to respond, which is understandable, but it means that they have to condense their arguments into easily digestible sound bytes. It waters down the issues and it makes the American people stupider because they are only exposed to simple arguments and not given the chance to listen to a more articulate and complex argument, like the kind Dr. Paul makes.”
One “vexed” respondent stated that Paul knows “nothing about national security.” But, the writer has obviously not spoken with military families --- Paul already leads a poll amongst those serving in the Armed Forces. He’s also a member of another minority --- he’s one of the few veterans running for the Presidential office.
Interestingly, one writer complains about Paul, but he states that former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, another candidate overlooked by media, “did a much better job than all the rest.” Still, Newt’s not his choice for the job: “If Sarah Palin runs, I’m campaigning for her, Obama out 2012.”
Finally, one of those voting in the poll analyzes that “Paul by his 40 plus years of writing and speaking to youthful populations, Ron Paul has already set [the nation] on a path to healing. Due to the life and times of Dr..Ron Paul we now have what we need to overcome.” The writer suggests that whether he wins the most votes in the dash for the Oval Office, “ Ron ,Paul has already won” by shaking and waking Americans to see through the myths foisted upon them by the media. In essence, the popularity of Dr. Paul means that Americans are done with apathetic listening, now, they are ready to think seriously about the responsibility and consequences of choices made at the ballot box.
So, what's next? CNN's Tea Party debate. Will that network be more objectivie? So far, they have limited their poll to only THREE GOP candidates? Guess they do not have the ball to put all the names in the poll and let the internet voters do the rest.. But if they have only three listed candidates, they have removed America's right to vote for the candidate of not the media's choice, but the people's choice.
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The 9/11 Inside Job Anniversary Kicks Off Early With Fake Carbomb Threats From New York Officials
Quote of the day:
"These people cannot help themselves, they have to terrorize the people, they are criminal terrorists. Formulaic, just stay scared so Bloomberg can get more security money. This is a fear based extortion racket, fake terror threats can be just as effective at getting budget increases. Bloomberg wants a socialist police state run by Bernie Kerik - Ray Kelly 9/11 types. In New York, this is how you get it done. Fake a threat then offer over-priced security for the threat you generated. Its a scam! 9/11 was and still is an inside job, done by Bloomberg in fact. He was selected to keep the scam going after Asbestos Rudy left. Peter King lives for terror, it is the wind under his wings .... Mr. Al-Qaeda himself. New York is a corrupt terrorist police state cesspool. There are mafia criminal in charge of the Big Apple, beware they love terrorism, its big bucks."
Quote of the day:
"These people cannot help themselves, they have to terrorize the people, they are criminal terrorists. Formulaic, just stay scared so Bloomberg can get more security money. This is a fear based extortion racket, fake terror threats can be just as effective at getting budget increases. Bloomberg wants a socialist police state run by Bernie Kerik - Ray Kelly 9/11 types. In New York, this is how you get it done. Fake a threat then offer over-priced security for the threat you generated. Its a scam! 9/11 was and still is an inside job, done by Bloomberg in fact. He was selected to keep the scam going after Asbestos Rudy left. Peter King lives for terror, it is the wind under his wings .... Mr. Al-Qaeda himself. New York is a corrupt terrorist police state cesspool. There are mafia criminal in charge of the Big Apple, beware they love terrorism, its big bucks."
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New York City, I love it there. 2nd would be Beijing China. 3rd Shanghai.
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NYPD’s 1000 “Anti-Terror Cops” Have Tanks, Weapons, Navy
Exclusive: Elaborate New York City Post-9/11 Security
NYPD Commish: Big Apple Has Its Own Army, Navy, Tanks & Soon A Submarine
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9/11 North East Air Defense Staff Joke About Flight 175 Hijacking As It Happens
Uploaded by HistoryCommons .... Staff at the North East Air Defense Sector (NEADS) learn that a second plane (United 175) has been hijacked on 9/11. They joke about it; we hear them say: "That's it, I'm not flying with United or American any more," "I never thought I would have wished for ValuJet to come back," and "I'm glad I'm not flying today," to which the answer is, "Don't worry Jim, we'll carjack you on the way home." Two minutes later they are talking about stock they own.
Exclusive: Elaborate New York City Post-9/11 Security
NYPD Commish: Big Apple Has Its Own Army, Navy, Tanks & Soon A Submarine
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9/11 North East Air Defense Staff Joke About Flight 175 Hijacking As It Happens
Uploaded by HistoryCommons .... Staff at the North East Air Defense Sector (NEADS) learn that a second plane (United 175) has been hijacked on 9/11. They joke about it; we hear them say: "That's it, I'm not flying with United or American any more," "I never thought I would have wished for ValuJet to come back," and "I'm glad I'm not flying today," to which the answer is, "Don't worry Jim, we'll carjack you on the way home." Two minutes later they are talking about stock they own.
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9/11 Inside Job: Ten Years Later - Special Nightly News report below
Aaron Dykes
Infowars News.com
September 10, 2011
Infowars Nighty News Special Report: 9/11 An Inside Job, Ten Years LaterIn a special report for Infowars Nightly News marking the 10th Anniversary of the September 11 attacks, Infowars.com reporter Aaron Dykes reflects upon some of the biggest smoking guns and unanswered questions of 9/11, as well as the legacy of 9/11 truth, which has gained momentum with the public.
That catalyzing event has transformed society, thrusting the United States and many of its allies into perpetual wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, and many other states in the region. At the same time, in the name of stopping potential terrorists, a police state has risen at home– from TSA groping to Homeland Security targeting returning veterans, constitutionalists and political activists, our Bill of Rights and Constitution have been thrown out the window.
Meanwhile, the victims’ family members, suffering rescue workers and patriots have struggled for truth and justice, with no answers at all from those in power. Instead, so-called investigations have been nothing more than cover-ups.
From WTC Building 7 to evidence of demolition, subverted intelligence, the al Qaeda hoax and political grandstanding, nothing from the official story adds up… and there is every reason to persevere in the fight to bring the truth to the public’s attention.
Aaron Dykes
Infowars News.com
September 10, 2011
Infowars Nighty News Special Report: 9/11 An Inside Job, Ten Years LaterIn a special report for Infowars Nightly News marking the 10th Anniversary of the September 11 attacks, Infowars.com reporter Aaron Dykes reflects upon some of the biggest smoking guns and unanswered questions of 9/11, as well as the legacy of 9/11 truth, which has gained momentum with the public.
That catalyzing event has transformed society, thrusting the United States and many of its allies into perpetual wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, and many other states in the region. At the same time, in the name of stopping potential terrorists, a police state has risen at home– from TSA groping to Homeland Security targeting returning veterans, constitutionalists and political activists, our Bill of Rights and Constitution have been thrown out the window.
Meanwhile, the victims’ family members, suffering rescue workers and patriots have struggled for truth and justice, with no answers at all from those in power. Instead, so-called investigations have been nothing more than cover-ups.
From WTC Building 7 to evidence of demolition, subverted intelligence, the al Qaeda hoax and political grandstanding, nothing from the official story adds up… and there is every reason to persevere in the fight to bring the truth to the public’s attention.
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Ill be posting more often and primarily about 9/11 for the next couple days.
Infowars Man on the Street: Poll on WTC Building 7 Collapse
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Infowars nightly news reporter, Darrin McBreen, talks to UT Students about building 7 on 9/11, and ask if they think it was brought down by a “control demolition.”
Infowars Man on the Street: Poll on WTC Building 7 Collapse
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September 10, 2011
Infowars nightly news reporter, Darrin McBreen, talks to UT Students about building 7 on 9/11, and ask if they think it was brought down by a “control demolition.”
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Barry Jennings NYC Emergency Coordinator (who was mysteriously murdered several years ago) reports that explosions went off in the WTC 7 both before and after the Twin Towers collapsed and how the WTC 7 lobby was blown out.
The scene at the Trade Towers
"After the initial blast, Housing Authority worker Barry Jennings, 46, reported to a command center on the 23rd floor of 7 World Trade Center. He was with Michael Hess, the city's corporation counsel, when Invalid Link Removed. First calling for help, they scrambled downstairs to the lobby, or what was left of it. "I looked around, the lobby was gone. It looked like hell," Jennings said." - Traverse City Record-Eagle (09/11/01)
Terrorist attack collapses World Trade towers, shakes the nation
"Eight hours after the morning crashes, fire was raging at adjoining 7 World Trade Center, eventually causing its collapse at about 5:20 p.m. The evacuated building was damaged when the tower above it collapsed Tuesday morning.
City Housing Authority worker Barry Jennings, 46, was in a city command center on the 23rd floor of a neighboring Trade Center building during the second explosion.
He and city Corporation Counsel Michael Hess made it downstairs, where Invalid Link Removed. "I thought I was dead," Jennings said. "It looked like hell." - Boston Globe (09/11/01)
MBarry Jennings' New York Citie's Emergency Coordinator on 9/11 account of WTC 7 explosions
The scene at the Trade Towers
"After the initial blast, Housing Authority worker Barry Jennings, 46, reported to a command center on the 23rd floor of 7 World Trade Center. He was with Michael Hess, the city's corporation counsel, when Invalid Link Removed. First calling for help, they scrambled downstairs to the lobby, or what was left of it. "I looked around, the lobby was gone. It looked like hell," Jennings said." - Traverse City Record-Eagle (09/11/01)
Terrorist attack collapses World Trade towers, shakes the nation
"Eight hours after the morning crashes, fire was raging at adjoining 7 World Trade Center, eventually causing its collapse at about 5:20 p.m. The evacuated building was damaged when the tower above it collapsed Tuesday morning.
City Housing Authority worker Barry Jennings, 46, was in a city command center on the 23rd floor of a neighboring Trade Center building during the second explosion.
He and city Corporation Counsel Michael Hess made it downstairs, where Invalid Link Removed. "I thought I was dead," Jennings said. "It looked like hell." - Boston Globe (09/11/01)
MBarry Jennings' New York Citie's Emergency Coordinator on 9/11 account of WTC 7 explosions
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The powerful new documentary film by Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth.
The film features cutting-edge 9/11 evidence from more than 50 experts in their fields – high-rise architects, structural engineers, physicists, chemical engineers, firefighters, metallurgists, explosives experts, controlled demolition technicians, and more. They are each highly qualified. Several have Ph.D’s, including renowned scientist, Lynn Margulis who was awarded the National Medal of Science, and who exposes in this film the fraud of NIST and discusses how the scientific method should have been applied to the destruction of evidence and to the high temperature incendiaries in the WTC dust samples. The documentary is filled with wisdom from experts such as Les Young, one of several high-rise architects interviewed in the film, who remarks,
Full Documentary for free viewing. 2 Hours 20 minutes.
9/11: Explosive Evidence -- Experts Speak Out (Full)
For those who just have time to watch the introductory trailer watch here
9/11: Explosive Evidence - Experts Speak Out, Trailer
In the full-length documentary we also interviewed almost a dozen psychologists who will help us to explain why 9/11 Truth is so difficult for the public to even face, much less accept – and what we can do better to reach them. We will also hear from several 9/11 victim family members who support AE911Truth in our call for a new investigation.
The film features cutting-edge 9/11 evidence from more than 50 experts in their fields – high-rise architects, structural engineers, physicists, chemical engineers, firefighters, metallurgists, explosives experts, controlled demolition technicians, and more. They are each highly qualified. Several have Ph.D’s, including renowned scientist, Lynn Margulis who was awarded the National Medal of Science, and who exposes in this film the fraud of NIST and discusses how the scientific method should have been applied to the destruction of evidence and to the high temperature incendiaries in the WTC dust samples. The documentary is filled with wisdom from experts such as Les Young, one of several high-rise architects interviewed in the film, who remarks,
Full Documentary for free viewing. 2 Hours 20 minutes.
9/11: Explosive Evidence -- Experts Speak Out (Full)
For those who just have time to watch the introductory trailer watch here
9/11: Explosive Evidence - Experts Speak Out, Trailer
In the full-length documentary we also interviewed almost a dozen psychologists who will help us to explain why 9/11 Truth is so difficult for the public to even face, much less accept – and what we can do better to reach them. We will also hear from several 9/11 victim family members who support AE911Truth in our call for a new investigation.
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Highly Credible People Question 9/11
PART 1 (click bold and underlined for sources) Part 2 next post
The following people question the government’s version of 9/11, or the government’s openness in providing information about the September 11 attacks.
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9/11 COMMISSIONERS
The co-chairs of the 9/11 Commission (Thomas Keane and Lee Hamilton) Invalid Link Removed that the CIA (and likely the White House) “obstructed our investigation”.
The co-chairs of the 9/11 Commission also said that Invalid Link Removed, yet didn’t bother to tell the American people (free subscription required).
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9/11 Commission co-chair Lee Hamilton says Invalid Link Removed.
9/11 Commissioner Bob Kerrey said that Invalid Link Removed
9/11 Commissioner Timothy Roemer said Invalid Link Removed
Former 9/11 Commissioner Max Cleland resigned from the Commission, stating: Invalid Link Removed; Invalid Link Removed; and Invalid Link Removed.
9/11 Commissioner John Lehman said that “Invalid Link Removed“.
The Senior Counsel to the 9/11 Commission (John Farmer) who led the 9/11 staff’s inquiry, said Invalid Link Removed
CONGRESS
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Current Democratic Congressman (Dennis Kucinich) Invalid Link Removed
Former Democratic Senator (Mike Gravel) states that Invalid Link Removed
Former Republican Senator (Lincoln Chaffee) Invalid Link Removed
Former U.S. Democratic Congressman (Dan Hamburg) says that Invalid Link Removed
Former U.S. Republican Congressman and senior member of the House Armed Services Committee, and who served six years as the Chairman of the Military Research and Development Subcommittee (Curt Weldon) has shown that the Invalid Link Removed, is open to hearing information about explosives in the Twin Towers, and is open to the possibility that Invalid Link Removed
MILITARY LEADERS
Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense under President Ronald Reagan (Col. Ronald D. Ray) said that Invalid Link Removed (Invalid Link Removed)
Director of the U.S. “Star Wars” space defense program in both Republican and Democratic administrations, who was a senior air force colonel who flew 101 combat missions (Col. Robert Bowman) stated that Invalid Link Removed. He also said:
U.S. General, Commanding General of U.S. European Command and Supreme Allied Commander Europe, decorated with the Bronze Star, Silver Star, and Purple Heart (General Wesley Clark) said Invalid Link Removed
Air Force Colonel and key Pentagon official (Lt. Colonel Karen Kwiatkowski) Invalid Link Removed
Lieutenant colonel, 24-year Air Force career, Vice Chancellor for Student Affairs at the Defense Language Institute (Lt. Colonel Steve Butler) said Invalid Link Removed
Two-Star general (Major General Albert Stubbelbine) Invalid Link Removed
U.S. Air Force fighter pilot, former instructor at the USAF Fighter Weapons School and NATO’s Tactical Leadership Program, with a 20-year Air Force career (Lt. Colonel Guy S. Razer) Invalid Link Removed:
The Group Director on matters of national security in the U.S. Government Accountability Office said that Invalid Link Removed
Additionally, numerous military leaders from allied governments have questioned 9/11, such as:
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INTELLIGENCE PROFESSIONALS
Former military analyst and famed whistleblower Daniel Ellsberg recently said that the case of a certain 9/11 whistleblower is “Invalid Link Removed“. He also said that the government is Invalid Link Removed her allegations about 9/11. And he said that Invalid Link Removed
A 27-year CIA veteran, who chaired National Intelligence Estimates and personally delivered intelligence briefings to Presidents Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush, their Vice Presidents, Secretaries of State, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and many other senior government officials (Raymond McGovern) said “Invalid Link Removed.
A 29-year CIA veteran, former National Intelligence Officer (NIO) and former Director of the CIA’s Office of Regional and Political Analysis (William Bill Christison) said “Invalid Link Removed” (and see Invalid Link Removed).
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A decorated 20-year CIA veteran, who Pulitzer-Prize winning investigative reporter Seymour Hersh called “perhaps the best on-the-ground field officer in the Middle East”, and whose astounding career formed the script for the Academy Award winning motion picture Syriana (Robert Baer) said thatInvalid Link Removed .
The Division Chief of the CIA’s Office of Soviet Affairs, who served as Senior Analyst from 1966 – 1990. He also served as Professor of International Security at the National War College from 1986 – 2004 (Melvin Goodman) said “Invalid Link Removed.”
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The head of all U.S. intelligence, the Invalid Link Removed (Mike McConnel) said Invalid Link Removed
A number of intelligence officials, including a CIA Operations Officer who co-chaired a CIA multi-agency task force coordinating intelligence efforts among many intelligence and law enforcement agencies (Lynne Larkin) sent a joint letter to Congress expressing their concerns about Invalid Link Removed (they were ignored).
PART 1 (click bold and underlined for sources) Part 2 next post
The following people question the government’s version of 9/11, or the government’s openness in providing information about the September 11 attacks.
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9/11 COMMISSIONERS
The co-chairs of the 9/11 Commission (Thomas Keane and Lee Hamilton) Invalid Link Removed that the CIA (and likely the White House) “obstructed our investigation”.
The co-chairs of the 9/11 Commission also said that Invalid Link Removed, yet didn’t bother to tell the American people (free subscription required).
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9/11 Commission co-chair Lee Hamilton says Invalid Link Removed.
9/11 Commissioner Bob Kerrey said that Invalid Link Removed
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9/11 Commissioner John Lehman said that “Invalid Link Removed“.
The Senior Counsel to the 9/11 Commission (John Farmer) who led the 9/11 staff’s inquiry, said Invalid Link Removed
CONGRESS
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Former Democratic Senator (Mike Gravel) states that Invalid Link Removed
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Former U.S. Democratic Congressman (Dan Hamburg) says that Invalid Link Removed
Former U.S. Republican Congressman and senior member of the House Armed Services Committee, and who served six years as the Chairman of the Military Research and Development Subcommittee (Curt Weldon) has shown that the Invalid Link Removed, is open to hearing information about explosives in the Twin Towers, and is open to the possibility that Invalid Link Removed
MILITARY LEADERS
Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense under President Ronald Reagan (Col. Ronald D. Ray) said that Invalid Link Removed (Invalid Link Removed)
Director of the U.S. “Star Wars” space defense program in both Republican and Democratic administrations, who was a senior air force colonel who flew 101 combat missions (Col. Robert Bowman) stated that Invalid Link Removed. He also said:
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U.S. Army Air Defense Officer and NORAD Tac Director, decorated with the Purple Heart, the Bronze Star and the Soldiers Medal (Capt. Daniel Davis) stated:
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President of the U.S. Air Force Accident Investigation Board, who also served as Pentagon Weapons Requirement Officer and as a member of the Pentagon’s Quadrennial Defense Review, and who was awarded Distinguished Flying Crosses for Heroism, four Air Medals, four Meritorious Service Medals, and nine Aerial Achievement Medals (Lt. Col. Jeff Latas) is a member of a group which Invalid Link Removed
U.S. General, Commanding General of U.S. European Command and Supreme Allied Commander Europe, decorated with the Bronze Star, Silver Star, and Purple Heart (General Wesley Clark) said Invalid Link Removed
Air Force Colonel and key Pentagon official (Lt. Colonel Karen Kwiatkowski) Invalid Link Removed
Lieutenant colonel, 24-year Air Force career, Vice Chancellor for Student Affairs at the Defense Language Institute (Lt. Colonel Steve Butler) said Invalid Link Removed
Two-Star general (Major General Albert Stubbelbine) Invalid Link Removed
U.S. Air Force fighter pilot, former instructor at the USAF Fighter Weapons School and NATO’s Tactical Leadership Program, with a 20-year Air Force career (Lt. Colonel Guy S. Razer) Invalid Link Removed:
“I am 100% convinced that the attacks of September 11, 2001 were planned, organized, and committed by treasonous perpetrators that have infiltrated the highest levels of our government ….
Those of us in the military took an oath to “support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic”. Just because we have retired does not make that oath invalid, so it is not just our responsibility, it is our duty to expose the real perpetrators of 9/11 and bring them to justice, no matter how hard it is, how long it takes, or how much we have to suffer to do it.
We owe it to those who have gone before us who executed that same oath, and who are doing the same thing in Iraq and Afghanistan right now. Those of us who joined the military and faithfully executed orders that were given us had to trust our leaders. The violation and abuse of that trust is not only heinous, but ultimately the most accurate definition of treason!”
U.S. Marine Corps lieutenant colonel, a fighter pilot with over 300 combat missions flown and a 21-year Marine Corps career (Lt. Colonel Shelton F. Lankford) Invalid Link Removed:Those of us in the military took an oath to “support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic”. Just because we have retired does not make that oath invalid, so it is not just our responsibility, it is our duty to expose the real perpetrators of 9/11 and bring them to justice, no matter how hard it is, how long it takes, or how much we have to suffer to do it.
We owe it to those who have gone before us who executed that same oath, and who are doing the same thing in Iraq and Afghanistan right now. Those of us who joined the military and faithfully executed orders that were given us had to trust our leaders. The violation and abuse of that trust is not only heinous, but ultimately the most accurate definition of treason!”
“This isn’t about party, it isn’t about Bush Bashing. It’s about our country, our constitution, and our future. …
Your countrymen have been murdered and the more you delve into it the more it looks as though they were murdered by our government, who used it as an excuse to murder other people thousands of miles away.
If you ridicule others who have sincere doubts and who know factual information that directly contradicts the official report and who want explanations from those who hold the keys to our government, and have motive, means, and opportunity to pull off a 9/11, but you are too lazy or fearful, or … to check into the facts yourself, what does that make you? ….
Are you afraid that you will learn the truth and you can’t handle it? …”
U.S. Navy ‘Top Gun’ pilot (Commander Ralph Kolstad) who questions the official account of 9/11 and is calling for a new investigation, says Invalid Link Removed.Your countrymen have been murdered and the more you delve into it the more it looks as though they were murdered by our government, who used it as an excuse to murder other people thousands of miles away.
If you ridicule others who have sincere doubts and who know factual information that directly contradicts the official report and who want explanations from those who hold the keys to our government, and have motive, means, and opportunity to pull off a 9/11, but you are too lazy or fearful, or … to check into the facts yourself, what does that make you? ….
Are you afraid that you will learn the truth and you can’t handle it? …”
The Group Director on matters of national security in the U.S. Government Accountability Office said that Invalid Link Removed
Additionally, numerous military leaders from allied governments have questioned 9/11, such as:
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INTELLIGENCE PROFESSIONALS
Former military analyst and famed whistleblower Daniel Ellsberg recently said that the case of a certain 9/11 whistleblower is “Invalid Link Removed“. He also said that the government is Invalid Link Removed her allegations about 9/11. And he said that Invalid Link Removed
A 27-year CIA veteran, who chaired National Intelligence Estimates and personally delivered intelligence briefings to Presidents Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush, their Vice Presidents, Secretaries of State, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and many other senior government officials (Raymond McGovern) said “Invalid Link Removed.
A 29-year CIA veteran, former National Intelligence Officer (NIO) and former Director of the CIA’s Office of Regional and Political Analysis (William Bill Christison) said “Invalid Link Removed” (and see Invalid Link Removed).
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A decorated 20-year CIA veteran, who Pulitzer-Prize winning investigative reporter Seymour Hersh called “perhaps the best on-the-ground field officer in the Middle East”, and whose astounding career formed the script for the Academy Award winning motion picture Syriana (Robert Baer) said thatInvalid Link Removed .
The Division Chief of the CIA’s Office of Soviet Affairs, who served as Senior Analyst from 1966 – 1990. He also served as Professor of International Security at the National War College from 1986 – 2004 (Melvin Goodman) said “Invalid Link Removed.”
Professor of History and International Relations, University of Maryland. Former Executive Assistant to the Director of the National Security Agency, former military attaché in China, with a 21-year career in U.S. Army Intelligence (Major John M. Newman, PhD, U.S. Army) Invalid Link Removed
The head of all U.S. intelligence, the Invalid Link Removed (Mike McConnel) said Invalid Link Removed
A number of intelligence officials, including a CIA Operations Officer who co-chaired a CIA multi-agency task force coordinating intelligence efforts among many intelligence and law enforcement agencies (Lynne Larkin) sent a joint letter to Congress expressing their concerns about Invalid Link Removed (they were ignored).
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Highly Credible People question 9/11
Part 2 (click bold and underlined for sources)
STRUCTURAL ENGINEERS AND ARCHITECTS
Invalid Link Removed with 55 years experience, in charge of the design of hundreds of major building projects including high rise offices, former member of the California Seismic Safety Commission and former member of the National Institute of Sciences Building Safety Council (Marx Ayres) believes that the World Trade Centers were brought down by controlled demolition (see also Invalid Link Removed)
Two professors of structural engineering at a prestigious Swiss university (Dr. Joerg Schneider and Dr. Hugo Bachmann) said that, Invalid Link Removed (translation Invalid Link Removed)
Invalid Link Removed, of Fremont, California
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Invalid Link Removed, of London, England
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Invalid Link Removed, of Denver, Colorado
Invalid Link Removed, of Scotland
Invalid Link Removed, of Eureka, California
Invalid Link Removed, of Phoenix, Arizona
Invalid Link Removed, San Francisco, California
Invalid Link Removed, of Houston, Texas (and see Invalid Link Removed)
Invalid Link Removed, of West Bend, Wisconsin
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An architect, member of the American Institute of Architects, who has been a practicing architect for 20 years and has been responsible for the production of construction documents for numerous steel-framed and fire-protected buildings for uses in many different areas, including education, civic, rapid transit and industrial use (Richard Gage) Invalid Link Removed (many other architects who question 9/11 are listed Invalid Link Removed)
LEGAL SCHOLARS
Former Federal Prosecutor, Office of Special Investigations, U.S. Department of Justice under Presidents Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan; former U.S. Army Intelligence officer, and currently a widely-sought media commentator on terrorism and intelligence services (John Loftus) Invalid Link Removed.
Former Inspector General, U.S. Department of Transportation; former Professor of Aviation, Dept. of Aerospace Engineering and Aviation and Professor of Public Policy, Ohio State University (Mary Schiavo) Invalid Link Removed.
Professor of International Law at the University of Illinois, Champaign; a leading practitioner and advocate of international law; responsible for drafting the Biological Weapons Anti-Terrorism Act of 1989, the American implementing legislation for the 1972 Biological Weapons Convention; served on the Board of Directors of Amnesty International (1988-1992), and represented Bosnia- Herzegovina at the World Court, with a Doctor of Law Magna Cum Laude as well as a Ph.D. in Political Science, both from Harvard University (Dr. Francis Boyle) Invalid Link Removed.
Former prosecutor in the Organized Crime and Racketeering Section of the U.S. Justice Department and a key member of Attorney General Bobby Kennedy’s anti-corruption task force; former assistant U.S. Attorney for the Northern District of Illinois (J. Terrence “Terry” Brunner) Invalid Link Removed.
Professor Emeritus, International Law, Professor of Politics and International Affairs, Princeton University; in 2001 served on the three-person UN Commission on Human Rights for the Palestine Territories, and previously, on the Independent International Commission on Kosovo (Richard Falk) Invalid Link Removed., and Invalid Link Removed.
Bessie Dutton Murray Distinguished Professor of Law Emeritus and Director, Center for Human Rights, University of Iowa; Fellow, World Academy of Art and Science. Honorary Editor, Board of Editors, American Journal of International Law (Burns H. Weston) Invalid Link Removed.
Former president of the National Lawyers Guild (C. Peter Erlinder), who Invalid Link Removed. And see Invalid Link Removed.
Assistant Professor of Criminal Justice at Troy University; associate General Counsel, National Association of Federal Agents; Retired Agent in Charge, Internal Affairs, U.S. Customs, responsible for the internal integrity and security for areas encompassing nine states and two foreign locations; former Federal Sky Marshall; 27-year U.S. Customs career (Mark Conrad) Invalid Link Removed.
Professor of Law, University of Freiburg; former Minister of Justice of West Germany (Horst Ehmke) Invalid Link Removed.
Director of Academic Programs, Institute for Policy and Economic Development, University of Texas, El Paso, specializing in executive branch secrecy policy, governmental abuse, and law and bureaucracy; former U.S. Army Signals Intelligence officer; author of several books on law and political theory (Dr. William G. Weaver) Invalid Link Removed.
Famed trial attorney (Gerry Spence) Invalid Link Removed.
Former Instructor of Criminal Trial Practice, Boalt Hall School of Law, University of California at Berkeley 11-year teaching career. Retired Chief Assistant Public Defender, Contra Costa County, California 31-year career (William Veale) said:
A common criticism of those who question 9/11 is that they are being “disrespectful to the victims and their families”.
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Indeed, it has now become so clear that the 9/11 Commission was a whitewash that the same 9/11 widows who called for the creation of the 9/11 Commission are now Invalid Link Removed (see also Invalid Link Removed).
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PSYCHIATRISTS AND PSYCHOLOGISTS
Finally, those who attack people who question the government’s version of 9/11 as “crazy” may wish to review the list of mental health professionals who have concluded that the official version of 9/11 is false:
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Associate Clinical Professor of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences, Duke University Medical Center, as well as Radiology, at Duke University Medical Center Invalid Link Removed
Board of Governors Distinguished Service Professor of Psychology and Associate Dean of the Graduate School at Ruters University Invalid Link Removed
Professor of Psychology at University of New Hampshire Invalid Link Removed
Professor of Psychology at University of Essex Invalid Link Removed
Professor of Psychology at Goddard College Invalid Link Removed
Professor Emeritus of Psychology at California Institute of Integral Studies Invalid Link Removed
Professor of Psychology at Rhodes University Invalid Link Removed
Retired Professor of Psychology at Oxford University Invalid Link Removed
Ph.D. in Clinical Psychology from the University of Nebraska and licensed Psychologist Invalid Link Removed
Ph.D. Clinical Neuropsychologist Invalid Link Removed
THOUSANDS OF OTHERS
The roster above is only a sample. There are too many Ph.D. scientists and engineers, architects, military and intelligence officials, politicians, legal scholars and other highly-credible people who question 9/11 — literally thousands — to list in one place. Here are a few additional people to consider:
The former director of the FBI (Louis Freeh) Invalid Link Removed
Former air traffic controller, who knows the flight corridor which the two planes which hit the Twin Towers flew “like the back of my hand” and who handled two actual hijackings (Robin Hordon) says Invalid Link Removed (also, listen to Invalid Link Removed)
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Former Deputy Secretary for Intelligence and Warning under Nixon, Ford, and Carter (Morton Goulder), former former Deputy Director to the White House Task Force on Terrorism (Edward L. Peck), and former US Department of State Foreign Service Officer (J. Michael Springmann), as well as a who’s who of liberals and independents) jointly Invalid Link Removed
Former FBI agent (Robert Wright) says Invalid Link Removed
Former Minnesota Governor (Jesse Ventura)
Highly Credible People question 9/11
Part 2 (click bold and underlined for sources)
STRUCTURAL ENGINEERS AND ARCHITECTS
Invalid Link Removed with 55 years experience, in charge of the design of hundreds of major building projects including high rise offices, former member of the California Seismic Safety Commission and former member of the National Institute of Sciences Building Safety Council (Marx Ayres) believes that the World Trade Centers were brought down by controlled demolition (see also Invalid Link Removed)
Two professors of structural engineering at a prestigious Swiss university (Dr. Joerg Schneider and Dr. Hugo Bachmann) said that, Invalid Link Removed (translation Invalid Link Removed)
Invalid Link Removed, of Fremont, California
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Invalid Link Removed, of London, England
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Invalid Link Removed, of Denver, Colorado
Invalid Link Removed, of Scotland
Invalid Link Removed, of Eureka, California
Invalid Link Removed, of Phoenix, Arizona
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An architect, member of the American Institute of Architects, who has been a practicing architect for 20 years and has been responsible for the production of construction documents for numerous steel-framed and fire-protected buildings for uses in many different areas, including education, civic, rapid transit and industrial use (Richard Gage) Invalid Link Removed (many other architects who question 9/11 are listed Invalid Link Removed)
LEGAL SCHOLARS
Former Federal Prosecutor, Office of Special Investigations, U.S. Department of Justice under Presidents Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan; former U.S. Army Intelligence officer, and currently a widely-sought media commentator on terrorism and intelligence services (John Loftus) Invalid Link Removed.
Former Inspector General, U.S. Department of Transportation; former Professor of Aviation, Dept. of Aerospace Engineering and Aviation and Professor of Public Policy, Ohio State University (Mary Schiavo) Invalid Link Removed.
Professor of International Law at the University of Illinois, Champaign; a leading practitioner and advocate of international law; responsible for drafting the Biological Weapons Anti-Terrorism Act of 1989, the American implementing legislation for the 1972 Biological Weapons Convention; served on the Board of Directors of Amnesty International (1988-1992), and represented Bosnia- Herzegovina at the World Court, with a Doctor of Law Magna Cum Laude as well as a Ph.D. in Political Science, both from Harvard University (Dr. Francis Boyle) Invalid Link Removed.
Former prosecutor in the Organized Crime and Racketeering Section of the U.S. Justice Department and a key member of Attorney General Bobby Kennedy’s anti-corruption task force; former assistant U.S. Attorney for the Northern District of Illinois (J. Terrence “Terry” Brunner) Invalid Link Removed.
Professor Emeritus, International Law, Professor of Politics and International Affairs, Princeton University; in 2001 served on the three-person UN Commission on Human Rights for the Palestine Territories, and previously, on the Independent International Commission on Kosovo (Richard Falk) Invalid Link Removed., and Invalid Link Removed.
Bessie Dutton Murray Distinguished Professor of Law Emeritus and Director, Center for Human Rights, University of Iowa; Fellow, World Academy of Art and Science. Honorary Editor, Board of Editors, American Journal of International Law (Burns H. Weston) Invalid Link Removed.
Former president of the National Lawyers Guild (C. Peter Erlinder), who Invalid Link Removed. And see Invalid Link Removed.
Assistant Professor of Criminal Justice at Troy University; associate General Counsel, National Association of Federal Agents; Retired Agent in Charge, Internal Affairs, U.S. Customs, responsible for the internal integrity and security for areas encompassing nine states and two foreign locations; former Federal Sky Marshall; 27-year U.S. Customs career (Mark Conrad) Invalid Link Removed.
Professor of Law, University of Freiburg; former Minister of Justice of West Germany (Horst Ehmke) Invalid Link Removed.
Director of Academic Programs, Institute for Policy and Economic Development, University of Texas, El Paso, specializing in executive branch secrecy policy, governmental abuse, and law and bureaucracy; former U.S. Army Signals Intelligence officer; author of several books on law and political theory (Dr. William G. Weaver) Invalid Link Removed.
Famed trial attorney (Gerry Spence) Invalid Link Removed.
Former Instructor of Criminal Trial Practice, Boalt Hall School of Law, University of California at Berkeley 11-year teaching career. Retired Chief Assistant Public Defender, Contra Costa County, California 31-year career (William Veale) said:
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FAMILY MEMBERS AND HEROIC FIRST RESPONDERS
A common criticism of those who question 9/11 is that they are being “disrespectful to the victims and their families”.
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PSYCHIATRISTS AND PSYCHOLOGISTS
Finally, those who attack people who question the government’s version of 9/11 as “crazy” may wish to review the list of mental health professionals who have concluded that the official version of 9/11 is false:
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Board of Governors Distinguished Service Professor of Psychology and Associate Dean of the Graduate School at Ruters University Invalid Link Removed
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THOUSANDS OF OTHERS
The roster above is only a sample. There are too many Ph.D. scientists and engineers, architects, military and intelligence officials, politicians, legal scholars and other highly-credible people who question 9/11 — literally thousands — to list in one place. Here are a few additional people to consider:
The former director of the FBI (Louis Freeh) Invalid Link Removed
Former air traffic controller, who knows the flight corridor which the two planes which hit the Twin Towers flew “like the back of my hand” and who handled two actual hijackings (Robin Hordon) says Invalid Link Removed (also, listen to Invalid Link Removed)
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Former Deputy Secretary for Intelligence and Warning under Nixon, Ford, and Carter (Morton Goulder), former former Deputy Director to the White House Task Force on Terrorism (Edward L. Peck), and former US Department of State Foreign Service Officer (J. Michael Springmann), as well as a who’s who of liberals and independents) jointly Invalid Link Removed
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Former Minnesota Governor (Jesse Ventura)
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SCIENTISTS
A prominent physicist with 33 years of service for the Naval Research Laboratory in Washington, DC (Dr. David L. Griscom) said that the official theory for why the Twin Towers and world trade center building 7 collapsed Invalid Link Removed
A world-renowned scientist, recipient of the National Medal of Science, America’s highest honor for scientific achievement (Dr. Lynn Margulis) said:
The principal electrical engineer for the entire World Trade Center complex, who was “very familiar with the structures and [the Twin Towers'] conceptual design parameters” (Richard F. Humenn), Invalid Link Removed
Former Director for Research, Director for Aeronautical Projects, and Flight Research Program Manager for NASA’s Dryden Flight Research Center, who holds masters degrees in both physics and engineering (Dwain A. Deets) says:
A U.S. physics professor who teaches at several universities (Dr. Crockett Grabbe) believes that Invalid Link Removed
An expert on demolition (Bent Lund) said that Invalid Link Removed (in Danish)
A Dutch demolition expert (Danny Jowenko) stated that Invalid Link Removed
A safety engineer and accident analyst for the Finnish National Safety Technology Authority (Dr. Heikki Kurttila) Invalid Link Removed
A 13-year professor of metallurgical engineering at a U.S. university, with a PhD in materials engineering, a former Congressional Office of Technology Assessment Senior Staff Member (Dr. Joel S. Hirschhorn), is Invalid Link Removed
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A former guidance systems engineer for Polaris and Trident missiles and professor emeritus, mathematics and computer science at a university concluded (Dr. Bruce R. Henry) that the Twin Towers Invalid Link Removed
A mechanical engineer with 20 years experience as a Fire Protection Engineer for the U.S. Departments of Energy, Defense, and Veterans Affairs, who is a contributing Subject Matter Expert to the U.S. Department of Energy Fire Protection Engineering Functional Area Qualification Standard for Nuclear Facilities, a board member of the Northern California – Nevada Chapter of the Society of Fire Protection Engineers, currently serving as Fire Protection Engineer for the city of San Jose, California, the 10th largest city in the United States (Edward S. Munyak) Invalid Link Removed.
The former Chief of the Strategic and Emergency Planning Branch, U.S. Department of Energy, and former Director of the Office of Engineering at the Public Service Commission in Washington, D.C., who is a mechanical engineer (Enver Masud) , Invalid Link Removed.
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SCIENTISTS
A prominent physicist with 33 years of service for the Naval Research Laboratory in Washington, DC (Dr. David L. Griscom) said that the official theory for why the Twin Towers and world trade center building 7 collapsed Invalid Link Removed
A world-renowned scientist, recipient of the National Medal of Science, America’s highest honor for scientific achievement (Dr. Lynn Margulis) said:
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The former head of the Fire Science Division of the government agency which claims that the World Trade Centers collapsed due to fire (the National Institute of Standards and Technology), who is one of the world’s leading fire science researchers and safety engineers, a Ph.D. in mechanical engineering (Dr. James Quintiere), Invalid Link Removed
The principal electrical engineer for the entire World Trade Center complex, who was “very familiar with the structures and [the Twin Towers'] conceptual design parameters” (Richard F. Humenn), Invalid Link Removed
Former Director for Research, Director for Aeronautical Projects, and Flight Research Program Manager for NASA’s Dryden Flight Research Center, who holds masters degrees in both physics and engineering (Dwain A. Deets) says:
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A prominent physicist, former U.S. professor of physics from a top university, and a former principal investigator for the U.S. Department of Energy, Division of Advanced Energy Projects (Dr. Steven E. Jones) stated Invalid Link Removed
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A Dutch demolition expert (Danny Jowenko) stated that Invalid Link Removed
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A former guidance systems engineer for Polaris and Trident missiles and professor emeritus, mathematics and computer science at a university concluded (Dr. Bruce R. Henry) that the Twin Towers Invalid Link Removed
A mechanical engineer with 20 years experience as a Fire Protection Engineer for the U.S. Departments of Energy, Defense, and Veterans Affairs, who is a contributing Subject Matter Expert to the U.S. Department of Energy Fire Protection Engineering Functional Area Qualification Standard for Nuclear Facilities, a board member of the Northern California – Nevada Chapter of the Society of Fire Protection Engineers, currently serving as Fire Protection Engineer for the city of San Jose, California, the 10th largest city in the United States (Edward S. Munyak) Invalid Link Removed.
The former Chief of the Strategic and Emergency Planning Branch, U.S. Department of Energy, and former Director of the Office of Engineering at the Public Service Commission in Washington, D.C., who is a mechanical engineer (Enver Masud) , Invalid Link Removed.
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I saw these 2 firefighters on MSNBC this morning while they are replaying 9/11 footage...unfortunately they did not play what they had to say that morning.
9/11 Firemen Testimony - Multiple Huge Explosions
More footage that you WILL NOT see today
9/11 Basement And Lobby Explosions During The First Strike On WTC
9/11: Car & Sewer Bombs
9/11: Ashleigh Banfield reports secondary explosions
NYC Emergency Coordinator Barry Jennings' account of WTC 7 explosions
9/11 Firemen Testimony - Multiple Huge Explosions
More footage that you WILL NOT see today
9/11 Basement And Lobby Explosions During The First Strike On WTC
9/11: Car & Sewer Bombs
9/11: Ashleigh Banfield reports secondary explosions
NYC Emergency Coordinator Barry Jennings' account of WTC 7 explosions
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Another issue they will not discuss today on national media about 9/11...this is totally censored from the American Public
The Star Wars Beam Weapons
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The Star Wars Beam Weapons
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| At the time this article was being developed, many people expressed disbelief that energy weapons existed outside of science fiction until they were reminded of the Star Wars Program, also known as the Strategic Defense Initiative (SDI)*. The name of this article was chosen as a reminder that energy weapons do exist and have been developed over 100 years. Most of this technology is classified information. It can also be assumed that such technology exists in multiple countries. The purpose of this article was to begin to identify the evidence of what happened on 9/11/01 that must be accounted for. In doing so, the evidence ruled out a Kinetic Energy Device (bombs, missiles, etc.) as the method of destruction as well as a gravity-driven "collapse." *SDI was created by U.S. President Ronald Reagan on March 23, 1983.[SUP]1[/SUP] It is thought that SDI may have been first dubbed "Star Wars" by opponent Dr. Carol Rosin, a consultant and former spokeswoman for Wernher von Braun. However, Missile Defense Agency (MDA) historians attribute the term to a Washington Post article published March 24, 1983, the day after the Star Wars speech, which quoted Democratic Senator Ted Kennedy describing the proposal as "reckless Star Wars schemes."[SUP]2 [/SUP]Before it was named the "Star Wars Program (SDI) in 1983, it was the Advanced Space Programs Development.[SUP]3[/SUP][SIZE=-1] [/SIZE] |
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A reported 1400 vehicles were damaged on 9/11. [Invalid Link Removed] These vehicles had peculiar patterns of damage and some were as far away as FDR Drive (about 7 blocks from the WTC, along the East River). Vehicles had missing door handles for example, windows blown out, window frames deformed, melted engine blocks, steel-belted tires with only the steel belts left, and vehicle front ends destroyed with little or no effect on the back end of the vehicles. What could have caused such extraordinary damage? Portions of cars burned while paper nearby did not.
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The pictures below document a wide variety of damage to vehicles, including total incineration of vehicles, toasted and disappeared engine blocks, steel-belted tires with no rubber and only steel belts, deformed wheels, missing grills, broken and missing vehicle windows and mirrors, no door handles, wilted doors, and unburned paper next to burning cars.
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[SIZE=+1]Figure 66(l). The front half of car 2723 is toasted, but check out the new wax job on the back. Notice the missing front door handle and the untouched back door handle.[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=+1]Figure 66(m). What happened to the top half of car 1250? The doors are crinkled up, but the rear tire looks OK.[/SIZE]
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Most of the 1400 toasted cars had some, if not all, windows missing. What would cause this? Figure yy, below, shows a silver convertible with its top apparently intact but missing some of its window glass. If the windows were blown out from pressure inside, we would expect the convertible top to have been torn or blown off. This suggests that the windows were not blown out by internal pressure, but may have been shattered by some other mechanism.
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In the debate over toasted cars ignited by this article, some have argued that the wrecked vehicles on FDR drive were damaged at the WTC and were loaded up and Invalid Link Removed and dumped on FDR drive for storage. First, there is no evidence that this was done. Second, it makes no sense to load up wrecks, transport them, only to dump them in a busy thoroughfare for storage. These wrecks would have had to be picked up yet again and transported again. If vehicles were truly moved from the WTC to FDR Drive, we wonder why WTC steel beams were not stacked up on FDR drive, as well, if it was such a good storage area. Third, governments may be stupid, but we doubt they could be this inefficient. If reported, it would have been a minor scandal. Fourth, we might be wrong about the facts here, but it looks like the motive for this speculation about shifting wrecks around lower Manhattan is to protect the official story or thermite story or other pet theories. We fail to see any other explanation for such a "forced" interpretation for these photographs. Fifth, marks on the roadway suggest that some of these vehicles were pushed to the side of the roadway until they could be removed. For example, see this Invalid Link Removed. This is a more natural explanation for why some of the cars appear to have been moved from where they were damaged rather than all the way from the WTC.
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[SIZE=+1]Figure yy. The cars parked in the back suffered extensive damage. The car on the left and on the far right look like they have had their engines eaten. The cars in the foreground experienced less damage, but many windows are missing, however partial and whole windows also remain.[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=+1]Figure toast2a. The cloud from the destruction of WTC1 rolls toward the parking lot. [/SIZE]
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[SIZE=+1]Figure toast2b. Just after WTC1 is destroyed, fires start to burn the vehicles in the large lot, but not the paper. Why? [/SIZE]
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[FONT=Times New Roman,Georgia,Times][SIZE=+1]Figure toast6. Sunlight begins streaming through the intersection. [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Georgia,Times]
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[FONT=Times New Roman,Georgia,Times][SIZE=+1]Figure toast7 The intersection and the grasssy lot are covered with paper and dust that did not burn. So, what caused the vehicles to suddenly catch fire?[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Georgia,Times]
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| [SIZE=+1]Figure street9(a). Gone with the Wind[/SIZE] [FONT=Times New Roman,Georgia,Times][SIZE=+1]At the corner of West and Vesey, looking south toward the WTC complex. WTC1 was just destroyed and the people are cautiously emerging from their hiding places and slowly approaching the site with puzzled looks on their faces. "Where'd it go?" This appears to be about the same time as that of the previous three figures. [/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=+1] [/SIZE][SIZE=-1](9/11/01) Invalid Link Removed:[/SIZE] | [SIZE=+1]Figure street9(b). Gone with the Wind[/SIZE] [FONT=Times New Roman,Georgia,Times][SIZE=+1]A view west along Vesey street across the West St. intersection. The toasted parking lot is on the right in the distance. This is after WTC1 was destroyed. Sunlight is visible on WFC3 (on left). Paper in the foreground is not on fire. Why are vehicles in the parking lot on fire at some distance away?[/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=-1](9/11/01) Invalid Link Removed:[/SIZE] |
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[FONT=Times New Roman,Georgia,Times][SIZE=+1]Figure toast14. Towing finally begins.
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Alex Marks The 10th Anniversary of 9/11: Sunday Edition
TheAlexJonesChannel
Monday, September 12, 2011
On the Sunday edition of the Alex Jones Show, Alex marks the tenth anniversary of the September 11, 2001 attacks. He looks back at the attacks that led to the destruction of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights and provided a pretext for the global elite to impose a high-tech police and surveillance state as they wage wars of conquest around the world. Alex also looks to an uncertain future as the truth movement grows and the financial elite fight both propaganda and psyop wars against the resistance.
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TheAlexJonesChannel
Monday, September 12, 2011
On the Sunday edition of the Alex Jones Show, Alex marks the tenth anniversary of the September 11, 2001 attacks. He looks back at the attacks that led to the destruction of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights and provided a pretext for the global elite to impose a high-tech police and surveillance state as they wage wars of conquest around the world. Alex also looks to an uncertain future as the truth movement grows and the financial elite fight both propaganda and psyop wars against the resistance.
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Gotta ask, is it Reagan's star wars that lit everything up?
That one is a tough one to answer conclusively..what is extremely alarming however is how 1,400+ cars were toasted all over lower Manhattan and as far out as the FDR which is 7 blocks away from WTC. I have this photo documented several posts above which Im sure you noticed.
Whatever they used, I wanna know about it...and it appears to be evidence of directed free-energy technology. You know how you put a paper plate in a microwave it does nothing, but you put metal and its burns right up?
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LOL ... You "troofers" really are a piece of work.
"Uhm - it was a bomb that destroyed the WTC ... uhm wait no - it was a military aircraft loaded with fuel ... wait, no - not that ... it was a SUPER SECRET POSITRONIC BEAM developed by the Reagan administration!"
Keep going - this is entertaining as hell. I love to watch the tin foil fly!
"Uhm - it was a bomb that destroyed the WTC ... uhm wait no - it was a military aircraft loaded with fuel ... wait, no - not that ... it was a SUPER SECRET POSITRONIC BEAM developed by the Reagan administration!"
Keep going - this is entertaining as hell. I love to watch the tin foil fly!
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Its the firefighters, WTC workers and witnesses who say there were bombs in the lobby including New York City's Emergency Coordinator who was in the basement of Building 7 when bombs went off there too.
Now, there is a combination things that have happened, but where we stand its impossible to come with complete conclusive answers other than the governments explanation of what happened is 100% debunked.
Now if you think a plane hitting a building toasted cars 7 blocks away on the FDR feel free to believe that.
Now, I in post 568-570 I list many scientists, architects, Military personal, government workers, engineers that confirm what the government explained to us about 9/11 is a complete farce.
HondaV65
Active member
Everyting that needs to be known about 9-11 can be found here ...
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It's the popular mechanics debunking of just about all of the Alex Jones BS "troofer" claims.
Go figure - turns out it was four civilian airliners that got hijacked by some fanatics working for Osama Bin Laden.
Who'd a thunk it?
LOL
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It's the popular mechanics debunking of just about all of the Alex Jones BS "troofer" claims.
Go figure - turns out it was four civilian airliners that got hijacked by some fanatics working for Osama Bin Laden.
Who'd a thunk it?
LOL
HondaV65
Active member
No Moonrock - you're wrong.
You've got a few people, who witnessed something in a state of sheer chaos ... and you're basing wild conclusions on their statements.
Guess what ... there's documented video evidence that these towers were hit by civilian airliners. There was debris found at the site. No - it wasn't a military aircraft ... the people who were on those flights never came home that evening - why? Because some terrorists crashed them into some buildings dude.
"Steel doesn't Melt" ... bah! Yeah, but at 1100 degrees, it loses pretty much 50% of it's strength and the jet fuel burned at a temperature up to 1500 degrees. At that temp - steel exposed to it might have only 20% of it's structural strength remaining. Hot steel bends ... it cracks surrounding concrete ... please dude - get a grip.
There was no bomb ... there were no mysterious "energy pulses" (which I'm sure Alex Jones will be linking to the Roswell crash next).
It was some planes - loaded with Jet fuel - that brought the towers down.
It's on video if you care to watch it.
LOL
ax1
Legend
Building 7 fell and it was not hit a plane, its the only steel structure building in history that fell due to office fires and I have 1,500+ architects and engineers who say its impossible.
9/11: Explosive Evidence - Experts Speak Out, Trailer
MBarry Jennings' New York City's Emergency Coordinator on 9/11 account of WTC 7 explosions
Also, what caused the bombs in the basement of building 7 hours before WTC 1 and 2 collapsed? This isnt covered in Popular Mechanics
HondaV65
Active member
No, sorry - but WTC 7 WAS hit and structurally compromised by falling debris ... you, and your Alex Jones troofers are WRONG.
And sorry - but no bomb went off in the basement of Building 7 either - thanks for playing.
Popular Mechanics covers exactly why WTC 7 fell ...
According to NIST, there was one primary reason for the building's failure: In an unusual design, the columns near the visible kinks were carrying exceptionally large loads, roughly 2000 sq. ft. of floor area for each floor. "What our preliminary analysis has shown is that if you take out just one column on one of the lower floors," Sunder notes, "it could cause a vertical progression of collapse so that the entire section comes down."
There are two other possible contributing factors still under investigation: First, trusses on the fifth and seventh floors were designed to transfer loads from one set of columns to another. With columns on the south face apparently damaged, high stresses would likely have been communicated to columns on the building's other faces, thereby exceeding their load-bearing capacities.
Second, a fifth-floor fire burned for up to 7 hours. "There was no firefighting in WTC 7," Sunder says. Investigators believe the fire was fed by tanks of diesel fuel that many tenants used to run emergency generators. Most tanks throughout the building were fairly small, but a generator on the fifth floor was connected to a large tank in the basement via a pressurized line. Says Sunder: "Our current working hypothesis is that this pressurized line was supplying fuel [to the fire] for a long period of time."
WTC 7 might have withstood the physical damage it received, or the fire that burned for hours, but those combined factors—along with the building's unusual construction—were enough to set off the chain-reaction collapse.
Read more: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories - Debunking the Myths - World Trade Center - Popular Mechanics
HondaV65
Active member
You know - the "brilliant" thing about "troofers" is how their argument keeps shifting around.
It's all based on the premise that ... "Hey, you can't prove to me 100 percent that OBL and his hackeys took down the WTC alone - so I get to conclude that George W. Bush did it in a huge conspiracy that would have taken 100 plus people to carry out - even though I can't produce a single one of those conspirators."
LOL - what kind of idiotic logic is that.
To further demonstrate their logical ignorance - they claim that somehow the government or "ominous forces" blew up bulding 7 but ... why? Why would any conspirators wait seven hours after they had just knocked down the twin towers and hit the pentagon to blow up something as insignificant as building 7?
They don't have an answer for that. The fact is - if 9-11 was an "inside job" ... why hit both of the Towers - PLUS the pentagon. Wouldn't knocking ONE tower out be enough to generate the effect the conspirators were looking to create?
RULE #1 of Conspiracies - ALWAYS LIMIT THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE INVOLVED IN A CONSPIRACY.
The more people involved in a conspiracy - the more likely it'll be uncovered. So the "troofers" want you to believe that the Conspiracy planners decided to increase the number of "conspirators" by a factor of FIVE OR SIX (Four planes remember - plus whoever put "bombs" in the basements of the WTC's". LOL
When any conspiracy could have actually accomplished the desired effect by limiting the number of conspirators and simply taking out ONE TOWER.
So ... you ask these troofers to throw out theories - or their explanation for how it all happened, and they tell you 100 different stories ranging from .... "Hey no, it was really military aircraft that did it" to "Hey no - there were bombs in the basement" to "It was Reagan's super sekret pulse ray gun! Don't you get it? REA-GAN ... RAY-GUN?!"
LOL
Look - if you're going to ignore the actual physical evidence that conclusively proves that 9-11 was carried out by OBL and his "merry men" ... ALONE ...
Then, at least humor us with YOUR OWN theories on how the towers came down. I think that's fair.
But - you won't do that - because your explanations defy logic and, when placed side-by-side with the factual events - you look like laughing stocks.
It's all based on the premise that ... "Hey, you can't prove to me 100 percent that OBL and his hackeys took down the WTC alone - so I get to conclude that George W. Bush did it in a huge conspiracy that would have taken 100 plus people to carry out - even though I can't produce a single one of those conspirators."
LOL - what kind of idiotic logic is that.
To further demonstrate their logical ignorance - they claim that somehow the government or "ominous forces" blew up bulding 7 but ... why? Why would any conspirators wait seven hours after they had just knocked down the twin towers and hit the pentagon to blow up something as insignificant as building 7?
They don't have an answer for that. The fact is - if 9-11 was an "inside job" ... why hit both of the Towers - PLUS the pentagon. Wouldn't knocking ONE tower out be enough to generate the effect the conspirators were looking to create?
RULE #1 of Conspiracies - ALWAYS LIMIT THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE INVOLVED IN A CONSPIRACY.
The more people involved in a conspiracy - the more likely it'll be uncovered. So the "troofers" want you to believe that the Conspiracy planners decided to increase the number of "conspirators" by a factor of FIVE OR SIX (Four planes remember - plus whoever put "bombs" in the basements of the WTC's". LOL
When any conspiracy could have actually accomplished the desired effect by limiting the number of conspirators and simply taking out ONE TOWER.
So ... you ask these troofers to throw out theories - or their explanation for how it all happened, and they tell you 100 different stories ranging from .... "Hey no, it was really military aircraft that did it" to "Hey no - there were bombs in the basement" to "It was Reagan's super sekret pulse ray gun! Don't you get it? REA-GAN ... RAY-GUN?!"
LOL
Look - if you're going to ignore the actual physical evidence that conclusively proves that 9-11 was carried out by OBL and his "merry men" ... ALONE ...
Then, at least humor us with YOUR OWN theories on how the towers came down. I think that's fair.
But - you won't do that - because your explanations defy logic and, when placed side-by-side with the factual events - you look like laughing stocks.
ax1
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If you have a chance you can join in and sign the petition. The petition is open to everyone including you Honda just as 1,564 verified architectural and engineering professionals and 13,035 other supporters have signed the petition demanding of Congress
a truly independent investigation.
Please Take Notice That:
On Behalf of the People of the United States of America, the undersigned Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth and affiliates hereby petition for, and demand, a truly independent investigation with subpoena power in order to uncover the full truth surrounding the events of 9/11/01 – specifically the collapse of the World Trade Center Towers and Building 7. We believe there is sufficient doubt about the official story to justify re-opening the 9/11 investigation. The new investigation must include a full inquiry into the possible use of explosives that might have been the actual cause of the destruction of the World Trade Center Twin Towers and Building 7.
Sincerely,
The Undersigned
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a truly independent investigation.
Please Take Notice That:
On Behalf of the People of the United States of America, the undersigned Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth and affiliates hereby petition for, and demand, a truly independent investigation with subpoena power in order to uncover the full truth surrounding the events of 9/11/01 – specifically the collapse of the World Trade Center Towers and Building 7. We believe there is sufficient doubt about the official story to justify re-opening the 9/11 investigation. The new investigation must include a full inquiry into the possible use of explosives that might have been the actual cause of the destruction of the World Trade Center Twin Towers and Building 7.
Sincerely,
The Undersigned
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I do always like the hologram stories. I have 2 very close friends that were there and saw the planes fairly close, and they were in fact planes.
The only conspiracy to me is how much was known about the pending attack and was it allowed to happen? Kinda like pearl harbor imo
The only conspiracy to me is how much was known about the pending attack and was it allowed to happen? Kinda like pearl harbor imo
ax1
Legend
Id like to know that too...
Speaking of terrorism, wikileaks had leaked out the Army's own manual on staging terrorism and false flag operations
The document, which is official US Special Forces policy, directly advocates training paramilitaries, pervasive surveillance, censorship, press control, restrictions on labor unions & political parties, suspending habeas corpus, warrantless searches, detainment without charge, bribery, employing terrorists, false flag operations, concealing human rights abuses from journalists, and extensive use of "psychological operations" (propaganda) to make these and other "population & resource control" measures palatable.
[h=1]US Special Forces Foreign Internal Defense Operations, FM 3-05.202, Feb 2007[/h]
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AE14
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Here is the thing for me, you take info like this and Operation Northwoods and you wonder if it is possible. I think at the end of the day it is more like I stated above . How much was known and when. The rest of this stuff (lasers, holograms, etc..) are just foolish and becoming a little too Star Treky for me.
If the government (or whomever) truly wanted to do this, they wouldnt need all of that. They would keep it simple imo.
ax1
Legend
Just a personal question for you, and I respect your skepticism.... In regards to building 7.... the fact that it fell in its own footprint and at free-fall speed at least bring suspicions for you? Or do you believe the official NIST report that it was brought down due to office fires?
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Building 7 Implosion: The Smoking Gun of 9/11
Richard Gage, AIA, Gregg Roberts, and David Chandler
September 3, 2010
Shortly after the explosive destruction of the World Trade Center Twin Towers, a third high-rise building was destroyed. It wasn’t hit by an airplane. The characteristic signs of controlled demolition were everywhere.
Although it received little media attention at the time, the third-worst structural building failure in modern history occurred on September 11, 2001. World Trade Center (WTC) Building 7 was a 47-story, steel-framed, fire-protected, high-rise office building located about a football field’s length from the WTC North Tower. Unlike its two taller cousins, WTC 7 was never hit by an aircraft, yet it fell to the ground suddenly, displaying the classic signatures of explosive controlled demolition.
9/11: Building WTC7 Compilation
A careful examination of this evidence shows why more than 1,200 architects and engineers are demanding a new and open investigation into all the crimes of 9/11, starting with this aspect, which is most obviously inconsistent with the official account. The evidence discussed in this article was ignored, mishandled, and/or covered up by the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST), the federal agency last tasked with explaining the unprecedented destruction of the World Trade Center high-rises.
A mysterious catastrophe
Although Building 7 was never hit by an airplane and had only isolated pockets of fires on about 10 floors, it suddenly imploded – coming down neatly, symmetrically, and completely at 5:20 p.m. The official story, according to NIST, is that WTC 7 collapsed due to “normal office fires” which created a “new phenomenon” in high-rise fires: destruction due to thermal expansion of steel beam, leading to the progressive collapse of nine floors. This ultimately caused the failure of column #79 – which was followed within seconds by all the rest.
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Could all 24 core columns have been “removed” within a fraction of a second of each other, on each floor successively, by fire alone?
Some observers had speculated that stores of diesel fuel inside the building might have produced exceptionally intense fires leading to the unusual collapse. However, NIST has officially acknowledged that diesel fuel was not involved. NIST also ultimately concluded that the impact of debris from the North Tower was not a significant contributor to the collapse, although it was blamed for starting the fires. What NIST’s top engineers failed to explain – and often even to acknowledge –in their Final Report were the many features of the building’s destruction that are normally seen only in explosive controlled demolitions.
Evidence for Controlled Demolition
After an embarrassing series of questions from AE911Truth petition signers, NIST’s top engineers ultimately acknowledged some of the key facts surrounding the building’s destruction. However, NIST still refuses to seriously examine the hypothesis of explosive demolition, even though demolition is the only thing that has ever caused structural failure and exhibited the characteristics of Building 7’s destruction. WTC 7’s failure was indistinguishable from a classic controlled implosion.
Let’s consider the evidence:
Speed of Collapse
As documented by video footage, Building 7 began its collapse at free-fall acceleration for over 2 seconds over a distance of more than 100 feet – equal to at least eight stories.
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WTC 7 free-falls through 40,000 tons of structural steel
NIST initially denied Building 7’s free-fall in its Draft Report released in August 2008. In the technical briefing that followed, NIST’s lead investigator, Dr. Shyam Sunder explained, “A free-fall time would be an object that has no structural components below it.” He claimed that WTC 7 took 40 percent longer than “free-fall time” to collapse, “and that is not at all unusual because there was structural resistance that was provided in this particular case. And you had a sequence of structural failures that had to take place and everything was not instantaneous.”
However, physics instructor David Chandler had used the existing network television videos to carefully Invalid Link Removed of the building during its fall. His published analysis A had shown conclusively that a significant period of free-fall was an indisputable fact. He Invalid Link Removed at the technical briefing. Along with several others, he filed formal requests for corrections during the public-response period.
WTC7 in Freefall: No Longer Controversial
Having been cornered, NIST Invalid Link Removed in its Invalid Link Removed. However, it couched its revised position in deceptive language, and failed to explain how freefall could be compatible with its fire-induced-progressive-collapse theory. For the observed straight-down collapse to happen, an immense network of heavy steel columns and beams would have had to be forcibly removed and more than 400 structural-steel connections would have had to fail every second, evenly, all across each of the eight floors involved. These failures had to occur ahead of the collapsing section – and could not be caused by it – because a freefalling object cannot exert force on anything in its path without slowing its own fall.
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WTC 7: In freefall for eight stories
Yet NIST’s admission of the fact of freefall, together with Sunder’s previous acknowledgment of the simple meaning of that fact, led to no reconsideration of its fire-induced, single-column-initiated, progressive-collapse hypothesis. Moreover, in what looks like an attempt to bury the discussion, its change of stance on the question of freefall was omitted from the Invalid Link Removed accompanying its Invalid Link Removed.
Symmetry of Collapse
The overall building mass fell uniformly and with almost perfect symmetry through what should have been the path of greatest resistance – some 40,000 tons of structural steel. According to structural engineer Kamal Obeid, this requires a precisely-timed, patterned removal of critical steel columns – which office fires, a gradual organic process, simply cannot achieve.
Only a carefully engineered series of explosions (or incendiaries) could cause a steel-framed skyscraper to collapse in on itself – and land mostly within its own footprint. After all, demolition companies are paid large sums to accomplish this extremely difficult feat, and only a few can do it with tall buildings. Also, the destruction was complete. This building had been built especially strong so that alternate floors could have been removed in case a tenant needed an extra-tall space. Yet, its forty-seven stories were reduced, in less than seven seconds, to about four stories of debris – having fallen like a house of cards – with the almost complete dismemberment of the braced and welded moment-resisting (bend-resistant) frames. Again, this is something fire, could not have, and has never, achieved.
NIST Withheld Evidence
Had officials taken all the relevant evidence into account and provided a superficially coherent explanation, it would at least make sense to entertain the idea that: (1) fire might have acted in ways that it had never acted before, (2) modern structural steel might have acted in ways that it had never acted before, and (3) that this all just happened to occur on a day when terrorists did something they had never done before. Yet, officials have not taken all the relevant evidence into account and they have not provided even a superficially coherent explanation. What is the missing evidence?
Evidence of Thermitic Incendiaries
Prior to the NIST investigation, the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), had conducted a preliminary, cursory, underfunded investigation and produced a Invalid Link Removed. In Invalid Link Removed of that report, FEMA described its analysis of two steel samples, one thought to be Building 7 and the other from Tower 1 or 2. The analysis of the WTC 7 sample showed “evidence of a severe high temperature corrosion attack on the steel, including rapid oxidation and sulfidation with subsequent intergranular melting….”
“A liquid eutectic mixture containing primarily iron, oxygen, and sulfur formed during this hot corrosion attack on the steel.”… “No clear explanation for the source of the sulfur has been identified.” The New York Times called this “perhaps the deepest mystery uncovered in the investigation.” What did NIST say about this mystery described by FEMA? Nothing – there was no mention of this crucial report at all.
Neither jet fuel nor office fires can reach anywhere close to steel’s melting point, much less its evaporation point, even if those critical temperatures had been lowered by the presence of free sulfur. So what could have caused this “high temperature corrosion attack?”
Thermite is a mixture of powdered iron oxide and elemental aluminum which, when ignited, reacts violently at 4,000-4,500° Fahrenheit (F) – well above iron’s melting point of 2,800° F, producing aluminum oxide and molten iron. When free sulfur is added to the mixture, the iron melts at a lower temperature. Thermite with sulfur added is called thermate. Structural steel in contact with ignited thermate also melts at a lower temperature. Contrary to what NIST and others have claimed, the sulfur could not have come from gypsum wallboard, where it is an inert, chemically “locked” ingredient.
The detected surface temperatures indicate much higher temperatures deeper within the pile. These extreme temperatures persisted for several weeks, despite the continuous spraying of millions of gallons of water onto Ground Zero – so much water that one worker described the result as “a giant lake.” Thermite contains its own source of oxygen and burns just as well under water.
Summary
The collapse of WTC Building 7 represents one of the worst structural failures in modern history. The official story suggests that fires weakened the structures, resulting in a gravitational collapse. The evidence, obvious to so many researchers but omitted from NIST’s Final Report, supports a very different conclusion – one that points squarely to explosive controlled demolition.
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If WTC 7 was intentionally brought down, then clearly it becomes a ‘smoking gun” that must be investigated. Who were the terrorists that had access to this highly secure building, occupied in part by the CIA, FBI, Dept of Defense, IRS, SEC, and others, and the technology required to prepare it for demolition? The 1,200 Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth present the scientific forensic data, evidence, and eyewitness and video testimony. We do not speculate as to who might have been responsible or how they have, so far, gotten away with the crime of the century. The destruction of the Twin Towers must be re-evaluated as well in light of the WTC 7 revelation. We therefore call for an unimpeachable investigation with subpoena power into the destruction of all three WTC skyscrapers. We ask you to do your part as a citizen to join us in making it happen. Find out how you can help at Invalid Link Removed.
Richard Gage, AIA, Gregg Roberts, and David Chandler
September 3, 2010
Shortly after the explosive destruction of the World Trade Center Twin Towers, a third high-rise building was destroyed. It wasn’t hit by an airplane. The characteristic signs of controlled demolition were everywhere.
Although it received little media attention at the time, the third-worst structural building failure in modern history occurred on September 11, 2001. World Trade Center (WTC) Building 7 was a 47-story, steel-framed, fire-protected, high-rise office building located about a football field’s length from the WTC North Tower. Unlike its two taller cousins, WTC 7 was never hit by an aircraft, yet it fell to the ground suddenly, displaying the classic signatures of explosive controlled demolition.
9/11: Building WTC7 Compilation
A careful examination of this evidence shows why more than 1,200 architects and engineers are demanding a new and open investigation into all the crimes of 9/11, starting with this aspect, which is most obviously inconsistent with the official account. The evidence discussed in this article was ignored, mishandled, and/or covered up by the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST), the federal agency last tasked with explaining the unprecedented destruction of the World Trade Center high-rises.
A mysterious catastrophe
Although Building 7 was never hit by an airplane and had only isolated pockets of fires on about 10 floors, it suddenly imploded – coming down neatly, symmetrically, and completely at 5:20 p.m. The official story, according to NIST, is that WTC 7 collapsed due to “normal office fires” which created a “new phenomenon” in high-rise fires: destruction due to thermal expansion of steel beam, leading to the progressive collapse of nine floors. This ultimately caused the failure of column #79 – which was followed within seconds by all the rest.
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Could all 24 core columns have been “removed” within a fraction of a second of each other, on each floor successively, by fire alone?
Some observers had speculated that stores of diesel fuel inside the building might have produced exceptionally intense fires leading to the unusual collapse. However, NIST has officially acknowledged that diesel fuel was not involved. NIST also ultimately concluded that the impact of debris from the North Tower was not a significant contributor to the collapse, although it was blamed for starting the fires. What NIST’s top engineers failed to explain – and often even to acknowledge –in their Final Report were the many features of the building’s destruction that are normally seen only in explosive controlled demolitions.
Evidence for Controlled Demolition
After an embarrassing series of questions from AE911Truth petition signers, NIST’s top engineers ultimately acknowledged some of the key facts surrounding the building’s destruction. However, NIST still refuses to seriously examine the hypothesis of explosive demolition, even though demolition is the only thing that has ever caused structural failure and exhibited the characteristics of Building 7’s destruction. WTC 7’s failure was indistinguishable from a classic controlled implosion.
Let’s consider the evidence:
Speed of Collapse
As documented by video footage, Building 7 began its collapse at free-fall acceleration for over 2 seconds over a distance of more than 100 feet – equal to at least eight stories.
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WTC 7 free-falls through 40,000 tons of structural steel
NIST initially denied Building 7’s free-fall in its Draft Report released in August 2008. In the technical briefing that followed, NIST’s lead investigator, Dr. Shyam Sunder explained, “A free-fall time would be an object that has no structural components below it.” He claimed that WTC 7 took 40 percent longer than “free-fall time” to collapse, “and that is not at all unusual because there was structural resistance that was provided in this particular case. And you had a sequence of structural failures that had to take place and everything was not instantaneous.”
However, physics instructor David Chandler had used the existing network television videos to carefully Invalid Link Removed of the building during its fall. His published analysis A had shown conclusively that a significant period of free-fall was an indisputable fact. He Invalid Link Removed at the technical briefing. Along with several others, he filed formal requests for corrections during the public-response period.
WTC7 in Freefall: No Longer Controversial
Having been cornered, NIST Invalid Link Removed in its Invalid Link Removed. However, it couched its revised position in deceptive language, and failed to explain how freefall could be compatible with its fire-induced-progressive-collapse theory. For the observed straight-down collapse to happen, an immense network of heavy steel columns and beams would have had to be forcibly removed and more than 400 structural-steel connections would have had to fail every second, evenly, all across each of the eight floors involved. These failures had to occur ahead of the collapsing section – and could not be caused by it – because a freefalling object cannot exert force on anything in its path without slowing its own fall.
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WTC 7: In freefall for eight stories
Yet NIST’s admission of the fact of freefall, together with Sunder’s previous acknowledgment of the simple meaning of that fact, led to no reconsideration of its fire-induced, single-column-initiated, progressive-collapse hypothesis. Moreover, in what looks like an attempt to bury the discussion, its change of stance on the question of freefall was omitted from the Invalid Link Removed accompanying its Invalid Link Removed.
Symmetry of Collapse
The overall building mass fell uniformly and with almost perfect symmetry through what should have been the path of greatest resistance – some 40,000 tons of structural steel. According to structural engineer Kamal Obeid, this requires a precisely-timed, patterned removal of critical steel columns – which office fires, a gradual organic process, simply cannot achieve.
Only a carefully engineered series of explosions (or incendiaries) could cause a steel-framed skyscraper to collapse in on itself – and land mostly within its own footprint. After all, demolition companies are paid large sums to accomplish this extremely difficult feat, and only a few can do it with tall buildings. Also, the destruction was complete. This building had been built especially strong so that alternate floors could have been removed in case a tenant needed an extra-tall space. Yet, its forty-seven stories were reduced, in less than seven seconds, to about four stories of debris – having fallen like a house of cards – with the almost complete dismemberment of the braced and welded moment-resisting (bend-resistant) frames. Again, this is something fire, could not have, and has never, achieved.
NIST Withheld Evidence
Had officials taken all the relevant evidence into account and provided a superficially coherent explanation, it would at least make sense to entertain the idea that: (1) fire might have acted in ways that it had never acted before, (2) modern structural steel might have acted in ways that it had never acted before, and (3) that this all just happened to occur on a day when terrorists did something they had never done before. Yet, officials have not taken all the relevant evidence into account and they have not provided even a superficially coherent explanation. What is the missing evidence?
Evidence of Thermitic Incendiaries
Prior to the NIST investigation, the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), had conducted a preliminary, cursory, underfunded investigation and produced a Invalid Link Removed. In Invalid Link Removed of that report, FEMA described its analysis of two steel samples, one thought to be Building 7 and the other from Tower 1 or 2. The analysis of the WTC 7 sample showed “evidence of a severe high temperature corrosion attack on the steel, including rapid oxidation and sulfidation with subsequent intergranular melting….”
“A liquid eutectic mixture containing primarily iron, oxygen, and sulfur formed during this hot corrosion attack on the steel.”… “No clear explanation for the source of the sulfur has been identified.” The New York Times called this “perhaps the deepest mystery uncovered in the investigation.” What did NIST say about this mystery described by FEMA? Nothing – there was no mention of this crucial report at all.
Neither jet fuel nor office fires can reach anywhere close to steel’s melting point, much less its evaporation point, even if those critical temperatures had been lowered by the presence of free sulfur. So what could have caused this “high temperature corrosion attack?”
Thermite is a mixture of powdered iron oxide and elemental aluminum which, when ignited, reacts violently at 4,000-4,500° Fahrenheit (F) – well above iron’s melting point of 2,800° F, producing aluminum oxide and molten iron. When free sulfur is added to the mixture, the iron melts at a lower temperature. Thermite with sulfur added is called thermate. Structural steel in contact with ignited thermate also melts at a lower temperature. Contrary to what NIST and others have claimed, the sulfur could not have come from gypsum wallboard, where it is an inert, chemically “locked” ingredient.
- Extreme Hot Spots
The detected surface temperatures indicate much higher temperatures deeper within the pile. These extreme temperatures persisted for several weeks, despite the continuous spraying of millions of gallons of water onto Ground Zero – so much water that one worker described the result as “a giant lake.” Thermite contains its own source of oxygen and burns just as well under water.
Summary
The collapse of WTC Building 7 represents one of the worst structural failures in modern history. The official story suggests that fires weakened the structures, resulting in a gravitational collapse. The evidence, obvious to so many researchers but omitted from NIST’s Final Report, supports a very different conclusion – one that points squarely to explosive controlled demolition.
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If WTC 7 was intentionally brought down, then clearly it becomes a ‘smoking gun” that must be investigated. Who were the terrorists that had access to this highly secure building, occupied in part by the CIA, FBI, Dept of Defense, IRS, SEC, and others, and the technology required to prepare it for demolition? The 1,200 Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth present the scientific forensic data, evidence, and eyewitness and video testimony. We do not speculate as to who might have been responsible or how they have, so far, gotten away with the crime of the century. The destruction of the Twin Towers must be re-evaluated as well in light of the WTC 7 revelation. We therefore call for an unimpeachable investigation with subpoena power into the destruction of all three WTC skyscrapers. We ask you to do your part as a citizen to join us in making it happen. Find out how you can help at Invalid Link Removed.
ax1
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Ron Paul's weekly address - skip video for full transcript
Foreign Occupation Leads to More Terror
Ten years ago shocking and horrific acts of terrorism were carried out on US soil, taking over 3,000 innocent American lives. Without a doubt, this action demanded retaliation and retribution. However, much has been done in the name of protecting the American people from terrorism that has reduced our prosperity and liberty and even made us less safe. This is ironic and sad, considering that the oft-repeated line concerning the reasoning behind the attacks is that they hate us for who we are – a free, prosperous people – and that we must not under any circumstances allow the terrorists to win.
Though it is hard for many to believe, honest studies show that the real motivation behind the September 11 attacks and the vast majority of other instances of suicide terrorism is not that our enemies are bothered by our way of life. Neither is it our religion, or our wealth. Rather, it is primarily occupation. If you were to imagine for a moment how you would feel if another country forcibly occupied the United States, had military bases and armed soldiers present in our hometowns, you might begin to understand why foreign occupation upsets people so much. Robert Pape has extensively researched this issue and goes in depth in his book “Cutting the Fuse: The Explosion of Global Suicide Terrorism and How to Stop It”. In fact, of 2,200 incidents of suicide attacks he has studied worldwide since 1980, 95% were in response to foreign occupation.
Pape notes that before our invasion of Iraq, only about 10% of suicide terrorism was aimed at Americans or American interests. Since, then however, not only is suicide terrorism greatly on the rise, but 91% of it is now directed at us.
Yes, the attacks of 9/11 deserved a response. But the manner in which we responded has allowed radicals in the Muslim world to advance a very threatening narrative about us and our motivation in occupying their lands. Osama bin Laden referred to us as “crusaders” with a religious agenda to convert Muslims, westernize their culture and take control of their resources. If we had targeted our response to only the thugs and criminals who attacked us, and refrained from invading countries that had nothing to do with it, this characterization would seem less plausible to the desperate and displaced. Blaming Islam alone is grossly misleading.
Instead, we chose a course of action that led to the further loss of 8,000 American lives, left 40,000 wounded and has hundreds of thousands seeking help at the Veterans Administration. We are three to four trillion dollars poorer. Our military is spread dangerously thin around the globe, at the expense of protection here at home. Not only that, but we have allowed our freedoms to be greatly threatened and undermined from within. The Patriot Act, warrantless searches and wiretapping, abuse of habeus corpus, useless and humiliating searches at airports are just a few examples of how we’ve allowed the terrorists to “win” by making our country less free.
Suicide terrorism did not exist in Iraq before we got there. Now it does. There are no known instances of Iranians committing suicide terrorism. If we invade and occupy Iran, expect that to change, too.
Sometimes it can be very uncomfortable to ask the right questions and face the truth. When a slick politician comes along and gives a much more soothing, self-congratulating version of events, it is very tempting to simply believe what we would like to hear. But listening to lies does not make us safer, even though it might make us feel better about ourselves.
The truth is that ending these misguided wars and occupations will make us safer, more prosperous and more free.
Ron Paul Highlights in 9/12/2011 Presidential Debate
Foreign Occupation Leads to More Terror
Ten years ago shocking and horrific acts of terrorism were carried out on US soil, taking over 3,000 innocent American lives. Without a doubt, this action demanded retaliation and retribution. However, much has been done in the name of protecting the American people from terrorism that has reduced our prosperity and liberty and even made us less safe. This is ironic and sad, considering that the oft-repeated line concerning the reasoning behind the attacks is that they hate us for who we are – a free, prosperous people – and that we must not under any circumstances allow the terrorists to win.
Though it is hard for many to believe, honest studies show that the real motivation behind the September 11 attacks and the vast majority of other instances of suicide terrorism is not that our enemies are bothered by our way of life. Neither is it our religion, or our wealth. Rather, it is primarily occupation. If you were to imagine for a moment how you would feel if another country forcibly occupied the United States, had military bases and armed soldiers present in our hometowns, you might begin to understand why foreign occupation upsets people so much. Robert Pape has extensively researched this issue and goes in depth in his book “Cutting the Fuse: The Explosion of Global Suicide Terrorism and How to Stop It”. In fact, of 2,200 incidents of suicide attacks he has studied worldwide since 1980, 95% were in response to foreign occupation.
Pape notes that before our invasion of Iraq, only about 10% of suicide terrorism was aimed at Americans or American interests. Since, then however, not only is suicide terrorism greatly on the rise, but 91% of it is now directed at us.
Yes, the attacks of 9/11 deserved a response. But the manner in which we responded has allowed radicals in the Muslim world to advance a very threatening narrative about us and our motivation in occupying their lands. Osama bin Laden referred to us as “crusaders” with a religious agenda to convert Muslims, westernize their culture and take control of their resources. If we had targeted our response to only the thugs and criminals who attacked us, and refrained from invading countries that had nothing to do with it, this characterization would seem less plausible to the desperate and displaced. Blaming Islam alone is grossly misleading.
Instead, we chose a course of action that led to the further loss of 8,000 American lives, left 40,000 wounded and has hundreds of thousands seeking help at the Veterans Administration. We are three to four trillion dollars poorer. Our military is spread dangerously thin around the globe, at the expense of protection here at home. Not only that, but we have allowed our freedoms to be greatly threatened and undermined from within. The Patriot Act, warrantless searches and wiretapping, abuse of habeus corpus, useless and humiliating searches at airports are just a few examples of how we’ve allowed the terrorists to “win” by making our country less free.
Suicide terrorism did not exist in Iraq before we got there. Now it does. There are no known instances of Iranians committing suicide terrorism. If we invade and occupy Iran, expect that to change, too.
Sometimes it can be very uncomfortable to ask the right questions and face the truth. When a slick politician comes along and gives a much more soothing, self-congratulating version of events, it is very tempting to simply believe what we would like to hear. But listening to lies does not make us safer, even though it might make us feel better about ourselves.
The truth is that ending these misguided wars and occupations will make us safer, more prosperous and more free.
Ron Paul Highlights in 9/12/2011 Presidential Debate
HondaV65
Active member
Please - you have a right to your own opinion - no matter how ill informed, illogical, and idiotic it may be.
But you DO NOT have a right to your own facts.
Fact - WTC-7 was hit by falling debris when the twin towers collapsed.
Fact - A large chunk of the face of one side of WTC-7 was "scooped out" by this falling debris.
Fact - Fires within the building, which burned for seven hours after the twin towers fell, further compromised the structural integrity of WTC-7
Fact - WTC-7 collapsed - and it's perfectly explainable (see Popular Mechanics).
You still CANNOT explain why WTC-7 was so important to your little conspiracy theory. If GWB coordinated all this - as you and your Alex Jones lackys insist - why did he wait seven hours after the towers fell to detonate WTC-7?
You still CANNOT explain why any conspiracy would have quadrupled the number of conspirators by taking out - not just one WTC Tower - but both - along with the Pentagon and fourth target. If the goal was to declare war "for oil" - wouldn't that goal have been met by simply taking out one tower? If I want to start a war with the middle east - why would I say ... "Yeah - let's have five times as many people KNOW about this plan by taking out both towers, the pentagon, and something else!"
LOL.
And as far as your "experts" you have signed petitions ... LMFAO! You DO realize that popular scientific consensus at one time held that the earth was flat? You do realize that popular scientific consensus says the earth is warming due to man-made CO2 - but NASA satellite data recently released completely disputes that?
You can have one idiot sign a petition - and it's just as valid as having 1,500 idiots sign it.
Which isn't very valid.
ax1
Legend
Popular Mechanics is owned my war profiteer Hearst Corporation. They have a political agenda to stay in war and financially benefit.
Popular Mechanics wont even be open to discuss and debate with thousands of Architects, Engineers, and Scientists who disagree with their Popular Mechanic's theories...that there is not science, thats just sticking to a bias agenda to protect the Heart Corporation's financial interests.
Your welcome to post their story, but when it comes down to it they are PM are corrupt and wont even debate.
Popular Mechanics wont even be open to discuss and debate with thousands of Architects, Engineers, and Scientists who disagree with their Popular Mechanic's theories...that there is not science, thats just sticking to a bias agenda to protect the Heart Corporation's financial interests.
Your welcome to post their story, but when it comes down to it they are PM are corrupt and wont even debate.