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TomCat's H-Drol

GMG760 said:
Here is what to do.

Go to Timber's thread. Read his VERY FIRST POST. Copy his program and supplements for the cycle and PCT. You don't have to dose all the way to 150mg if you don't want to. 100mg does most people just fine. You will be fine.
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we all do this, we go to someone elses log and reference what they did to create a cycle. but I don't like the idea of copy and paste cycle because I think it's important to do research and understand the rhyme and reason for the use of each support supp so that when/if you run into problems you have a clue as to the "why" and what to do about it.

I've looked at countless logs though and they just list a huge grocery list of things they're taking...

when I put my log together I listed all the supps I'm taking and I included the reasoning for taking each one...this way when someone looks at it they can understand what each supp is taken for...I wish more people did this!
 
KgTomCat said:
okay...im ordering my Cycle Support right now, Chocolate, I want to offer a HUGE apology! All I need to know is when to take everything, A.M. & P.M., but thats self explanatory
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If you prefer a capped product over a powder don't forget about Cycle Assist! :thumbsup:
 
TimberLakers said:
You'll need two jars of cycle support for a 6 weeker champ... One dose in the AM one in the PM... Get whichever flavor, they both taste like urine. Make sure you order enough H-Drol as well (2 will probably be fine)...

You don't need to preload cycle support IMO, its cheaper just to take a little Hawthorne and Thistle 10 to 14 days before.
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Im doin 5 weeks, and Im preloading with Hawthorne Berry. If I order another jar, then Ill have so much left over, do u prefer anything else? Also, my Liver Care will run out so I thought I could run Liver Support for the last 2 weeks in its place? I got the 2nd bottle of H-Drol yesterday, so Im good on that
 
Im thinkin about starting Mass FX Monday, doing that for a month. Then letting my test level out for a month then doing my cycle from of H-Drol mid Dec.-mid Oct., opinions?
 
KgTomCat said:
Im doin 5 weeks, and Im preloading with Hawthorne Berry. If I order another jar, then Ill have so much left over, do u prefer anything else? Also, my Liver Care will run out so I thought I could run Liver Support for the last 2 weeks in its place? I got the 2nd bottle of H-Drol yesterday, so Im good on that
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You can always stretch one CS I guess... just use 3/4 of a scoop and dose a few caps of HB and MT... Or when you run out of CS, take over with HB and MT 2x ed.

There's a couple things you'll miss out on - Saw Palmetto / Nettle / Celery Seed / NAC... but that should be OK for a week or so.

I'm dosing extra support supps since I'm on a superdose. Plus, you could always save the extra CS for another cycle...
 
KgTomCat said:
Im thinkin about starting Mass FX Monday, doing that for a month. Then letting my test level out for a month then doing my cycle from of H-Drol mid Dec.-mid Oct., opinions?
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That makes no sense... Mid December to Mid October?

I don't care when you do it, but if you post another thread then asking the same question, I'm going to send a *ucking SCUD through your roof.
 
TimberLakers said:
You can always stretch one CS I guess... just use 3/4 of a scoop and dose a few caps of HB and MT... Or when you run out of CS, take over with HB and MT 2x ed.

There's a couple things you'll miss out on - Saw Palmetto / Nettle / Celery Seed / NAC... but that should be OK for a week or so.

I'm dosing extra support supps since I'm on a superdose. Plus, you could always save the extra CS for another cycle...
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I have 2 bottles of Liver Support, the ingredients are...
1 capsule Milk Thistle-200 mg
Goldenseal Root Extract-100 mg
Red Clover Top Extract-100 mg
Artichoke Leaf Extract-100 mg
Dandelion Root-100 mg
I meant mid Oct-mid Dec
 
KgTomCat said:
I have 2 bottles of Liver Support, the ingredients are...
1 capsule Milk Thistle-200 mg
Goldenseal Root Extract-100 mg
Red Clover Top Extract-100 mg
Artichoke Leaf Extract-100 mg
Dandelion Root-100 mg
I meant mid Oct-mid Dec
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Does Liver Support have any of Dees in it?
 
delsolrob said:
we all do this, we go to someone elses log and reference what they did to create a cycle. but I don't like the idea of copy and paste cycle because I think it's important to do research and understand the rhyme and reason for the use of each support supp so that when/if you run into problems you have a clue as to the "why" and what to do about it.

I've looked at countless logs though and they just list a huge grocery list of things they're taking...

when I put my log together I listed all the supps I'm taking and I included the reasoning for taking each one...this way when someone looks at it they can understand what each supp is taken for...I wish more people did this!
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I agree, but sometimes you gotta just lay everything out for someone and let them play catch up. If people didn't answer my questions after I did my research I would still be confused as f*ck because everyone runs this stuff differently. My point was, is that Timber is set up to run the Hdrol about as safely as possible, and I have no desire for our friend here to wind up running this sh!t anyway and hurting himself or something because I wanted to teach him a lesson about doing research.
 
TimberLakers said:
You can always stretch one CS I guess... just use 3/4 of a scoop and dose a few caps of HB and MT... Or when you run out of CS, take over with HB and MT 2x ed.

There's a couple things you'll miss out on - Saw Palmetto / Nettle / Celery Seed / NAC... but that should be OK for a week or so.

I'm dosing extra support supps since I'm on a superdose. Plus, you could always save the extra CS for another cycle...
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One thing, Hdrol is mild on the hairline, but if you ever run epistane or pheraplex... you really do need the Saw Palmetto for help with the hairline and of course your prostate...

I am never buying cycle support again. Great product, I haven't had any issues on cycle, and I haven't lost a hair, but goddamn that stuff tastes like sewage.

I'll double dose the life support and spend more money, I dont give a sh*t... I want to enjoy my protein again.
 
GMG760 said:
One thing, Hdrol is mild on the hairline, but if you ever run epistane or pheraplex... you really do need the Saw Palmetto for help with the hairline and of course your prostate...

I am never buying cycle support again. Great product, I haven't had any issues on cycle, and I haven't lost a hair, but goddamn that stuff tastes like sewage.

I'll double dose the life support and spend more money, I dont give a sh*t... I want to enjoy my protein again.
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Depending on whether or not i do a 4 or 5 week cycle, Ill switch to 3/4 of a serving then up the dose of HB, MT, and LS. How do you feel about that? Will it be suitable for covering everything?
 
Too much milk thistle will hinder your gains as your liver is responsible for converting that hdrol to turnibol.

Just get some cycle support dude, or life support. They are one product with everything you need in them.
 
GMG760 said:
Too much milk thistle will hinder your gains as your liver is responsible for converting that hdrol to turnibol.

Just get some cycle support dude, or life support. They are one product with everything you need in them.
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I could just order another jug, I picked up some more Liver Care and Hawthorne Berry (for the 5th week). Should I do 5 weeks of Nolva or is that too much (Im going to do 20/20/10/10)
 
4 weeks of Nolva is fine no need for 5 weeks of it. If your tight on cash for the last 2 weeks take about 3/4 of a scoop of Cycle Support 2 times a day instead of a full scoop it should last the 5 weeks. If cash is not a issue grab another tub and you can alwways use the rest on another cycle:thumbsup:
 
pembroke3355 said:
I would not run the AI till week 3 but that is my opinion.:thumbsup:
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Yes, cash is an issue...Im in college so yea lol, I said in the other thread I wanted to do 4 weeks, thats only because of my caution for my PCT to be long enough. Right new I have everything for a full 4 week cycle and 4 week PCT. Ill do a 5 week cycle and 4 week PCT if you guys feel that it is insubstantial...? again
Cycle= H-50 50/75/75/75/100
Liver Care
Hawthorne Berry (preloaded 2 weeks out)
Cycle Support
PCT= Nolva 20/20/10/10
Milk Thistle
Mass FX (10-14 days into PCT)
6oxo?? (some have said to taper down in 3rd week, some have said not to use it at all)
 
KgTomCat said:
Yes, cash is an issue...Im in college so yea lol, I said in the other thread I wanted to do 4 weeks, thats only because of my caution for my PCT to be long enough. Right new I have everything for a full 4 week cycle and 4 week PCT. Ill do a 5 week cycle and 4 week PCT if you guys feel that it is insubstantial...? again
Cycle= H-50 50/75/75/75/100
Liver Care
Hawthorne Berry (preloaded 2 weeks out)
Cycle Support
PCT= Nolva 20/20/10/10
Milk Thistle
Mass FX (10-14 days into PCT)
6oxo?? (some have said to taper down in 3rd week, some have said not to use it at all)
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If you do not already have the 6 oxo you do not have to have it Nolva will work. If you already have it run it starting weeks and taper down the dose each week:thumbsup:
 
yea I have the 6oxo, only one bottle (20days) so I can deff taper it down in weeks 3 and 4? 200/100? but wut about the Mass FX? should I not bring that in during the 2nd week
 
KgTomCat said:
yea I have the 6oxo, only one bottle (20days) so I can deff taper it down in weeks 3 and 4? 200/100? but wut about the Mass FX? should I not bring that in during the 2nd week
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I see no problem running the FX from day 1 of pct.:thumbsup:
 
KgTomCat said:
I could just order another jug, I picked up some more Liver Care and Hawthorne Berry (for the 5th week). Should I do 5 weeks of Nolva or is that too much (Im going to do 20/20/10/10)
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Remember Nolva has a half life of 7 days.This is why it's not in your best interest to run it at 40mg even though the so called board experts tell you to.
 
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I was curious about creatine. does it matter if I take ethal ester or mono? for example ethal ester in cycle and mono in PCT? just a thought...
 
pembroke3355 said:
It does not matter. I would not take creatine at all on cycle and start in again in pct.:thumbsup:
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ok, then ill start in PCT, when it gets closer to the cycle, im gonna need to know the lil specs on stupid stuff (when to take certain supps to maximize growth)
 
KgTomCat said:
ok, then ill start in PCT, when it gets closer to the cycle, im gonna need to know the lil specs on stupid stuff (when to take certain supps to maximize growth)
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Give me a holla when your starting:thumbsup:
 
KgTomCat said:
ok, then ill start in PCT, when it gets closer to the cycle, im gonna need to know the lil specs on stupid stuff (when to take certain supps to maximize growth)
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Or you could start reading and know them yourself before you start cycling...
 
KgTomCat said:
ive researched, i know pretty much the basics, just want to be sure I have everything in order. thanx
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Please, for pete's sake... Just post what you are taking for your cycle, and what you are taking for your PCT and we will let you know if anything is wrong/needs to be changed.
 
Cycle:
2 weeks preloaded Hawthorne Berry
H-Drol (50/50/75/75/75)
Cycle Support
Liver Care

PCT:
Nolva (20/20/10/10)
Milk Thistle
Mass FX (14 days into PCT)
Anabolic Pump
Creatine
 
KgTomCat said:
Cycle:
2 weeks preloaded Hawthorne Berry
H-Drol (50/50/75/75/75)
Cycle Support
Liver Care

PCT:
Nolva (20/20/10/10)
Milk Thistle
Mass FX (14 days into PCT)
Anabolic Pump
Creatine
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Ok bro on cycle no other liver care should be needed the Cycle Support will take care of that.

Pct You can start the Mass FX day 1. It would be Lean Xtreme or any other cortisol product that you would want to want to start taking on day 15 but the rest of it looks good.:thumbsup:
 
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