To Frontload or Not to Frontload..

[DadStrength]

That Is the question...

So I was trying to research this dilemma and decided to put the math to the test, and used a 7 day half-life with injections every 3.5 days of Test E at 100Mg as a sample.

Built out not front loading, Frontload at 2x, and Frontload at 1.5x

I’ve attached an excel but this is what I found using this sample which is probably quite common here (maybe not at 100mg but the math ratio will not change, only the total active dose).

Not front loading - pretty much by the 3rd week you are looking at stable blood levels (within 2mg), 4th if you really want to be within 1mg...

Front loading at 2x - you have a huge spike above where you will end up for the remainder of your cycle, and ultimately stabilize beginning of week 4.

Front loading at 1.5x - you have less of a spike, and stabilize beginning of week 3.


Figured math nerds might like this. I am leaning towards 1.5x front loading for upcoming cycle.

 

[DadStrength]

Having trouble inserting excel file, will convert to another format and attach shortly.

 

[DadStrength]

Kind of a pain, but PDF is only option.

 

[Nac]

I used to buy into frontloading, and did it a few times...then I came across a PED "guru" called Broderick Chavez, who convincingly argued that frontloading is essentially pointless. If anything, you want to titrate the dosage up over cycle-time (but its not necessary).

 

[Mathb33]

On paper it sounds pretty yes. Another of many cases where it sounds super pretty for studies/papers guys but in reality it’s ugly. If anything you want to leave room to up dosage once you reach several weeks in and your body isn’t responding as good anymore. Front loading on paper sure will reach desired blood levels faster but that’s it. It’s bad for every single other aspects. If you don’t want to wait blood levels to reach their peak then use shorter ester.

 

[bigdadybry]

We use to call this a "reverse pyramid".
I found front loading works better with painkillers.

 

[Hyde]

Front loading is a poor way to keep gains coming through the cycle. Exactly like you said, mathematically by shots 5-6 you are getting very stable levels coming online.

The gains tend to come easier early, so if linear changes are desired the best time to take the biggest doses is at the finale if you want to take more.

 

[StarScream66]

Only thing I would frontload would be Sustanon. You'd be getting a lot of short/med/long esters and you would be getting a lot of test prop so you would have your test levels up very rapidly.

 

[thebigt]

On paper it sounds pretty yes. Another of many cases where it sounds super pretty for studies/papers guys but in reality it’s ugly. If anything you want to leave room to up dosage once you reach several weeks in and your body isn’t responding as good anymore. Front loading on paper sure will reach desired blood levels faster but that’s it. It’s bad for every single other aspects. If you don’t want to wait blood levels to reach their peak then use shorter ester.

sounds a lot like socialism, lol....sounds great on paper.

 

[StarScream66]

sounds a lot like socialism, lol....sounds great on paper.

typical bourgeois pig

 

[thebigt]

typical bourgeois pig

damned straight!!!


and everything i have came from hard work i was born poor as dirt.

 

[CroLifter]

I stand by the opinion of those who say its not needed, especially if you have been off for a long time, you need less in the beginn8ng then say after 4-5 weeks.

i know there are some who say that its bs and you will keep gaining for 12 weeks on the same dose but sorry from my experience it aint true at all.

myostatin increases thats for sure.

1st cycle after 8 weeks 0 gains, zeeeero, and i even added a 2nd compound (masteron).


2nd cycle, i started out with 250ish mg a week for a few weeks. I have been off for 8 months and also have laughably low natural test, barely 300 ng/dl.
1st 80mg injection i got test flu, after my 3rd 80mg injection i started growing like crazy, i am sure its due to the massive difference in androgen levels my body experienced.

Thats right, 240mg in and i started going throught that taditional "blow up" phase (delts starting to pop, massively increased glycogen levels, insane pumps etc)


Just like females can grow on very low doses since they naturally have very low androgen lvls compared to men.

Also, Dave Palumbo talked about this, that from his experience, experiencing a rock bottom in test levels post cycle is beneficial as you grow like crazy even on modest doses when you cycle again, and that is definitely my experience.

best to taper up in doses as cycle progress imho.

 

[bad rad]

From experience frontloading only lets you feel the drugs sooner. I didn't see better results at the end than not frontloading.

 

[thebigt]

From experience frontloading only lets you feel the drugs sooner. I didn't see better results at the end than not frontloading.

kind of like the saying they have in AA-'i want what i want when i want it'...that pretty much sums up a whole lot of todays society, imo.