Thoughts on bridging different compounds to build a long, effective cycle
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Jeremyk1
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That may sound good in theory, but that’s a long time to be suppressed. Also, you’ll be waiting a few weeks for each compound to work its magic then switch it and start waiting for the next one. I wouldn’t expect much out of this. I’d just get more of each thing you want and do each as it’s own cycle.
Nac
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I think...once you start seriously considering doing something like this, you really should be taking a step back and thinking "wtf am I doing?" and looking rather at TRT/blasting. If the idea of TRT is a no-no for you, then so should cycles like the one you're proposing. There's numerous points to be made against a cycle like that.
BBiceps
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Have you used Osta before? If not, run something else, it’s pretty useless, you get shut down with very little results.
uubiduu
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For me its not useless, i have moderate results but almost no shutdown on it. After 6 weeks of osta i come away with an OTC PCT. When i take Rebirth and X-factor, i can at least hold my strenght gains i got from osta.
KvanH
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Have you verified via blood test? My first runs were Osta only and I bought in to the sarm hype and that Osta is not suppressive. Did 2 runs without pct and bloods (didn't even know you can order blood tests on your own, without dr.'s prescription, at the time). Felt ok, but was a little tired, which I chalked up to be from being in a calorie deficit. Also some depression after, but didn't/don't know if it's from the Osta run. Third time I got suspicious and drew bloods on 6th week and what do you know, I'm under ref range. Had to start sourcing a serm in a hurry <-- stupid me.
Also as Osta lowers shbg a lot, your free T doesn't plummet as fast as your TT, but it is suppressive. And for me and many else, it was only good for maintaining muscle on a cut, didn't really help build mass on a bulk. And I've seen some elevated liver entzymes and trashed lipids on people running it. So it just comes down to what BBiceps said, the pros and cons ratio just is not good with Osta. I'd rather go with something like Andros, if wanting to keep things mild.
If you don't check bloods, you don't really know if you are suppressed or how well you recover. Also a bit strange decision/thought to go from the coctail you laid out above to Osta. Just my thoughts.
uubiduu
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No, i didnt draw bloods but when i dont lose acquired strenght in PCT and continue to put on strenght in the next osta cycle, how would that be possible under shutdown conditions? Sex drive is also normal all the time. I am no newbie to training and a bit older, in the late 40‘s. I am training lat pulldowns with 113kg 12x for several sets e.g. I heard from a lot that the good thing on osta is, it suppresses but didnt shut down, so it is easy to bounce back quick, even without a serm. The reason i posted the proposed cycle was the exact motivation you proposed. To get results that are even better than the actual ones. I didnt say it is magic, but i put ok strenght 2-3 times quicker than without anything and for me its not bad.
I have a bit of experience with andro, stanodrol and 4-andro do only little for mass gains, 19-nors shut you down a lot and 1-andro i seem to be allergic against (see my other thread). So which andro should i take then? The other stuff i mentioned i have on hand.
KvanH
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Well, I just gave my view on Osta based on my personal experience and several reports by others. If it works well for you and you find the pros out weighing the cons, then you should probably go with it again, especially if you have tried other stuff with no better outcomes.
I didn't remember it was you who had problems with 1-Andro. 4-Andro is mainly just for having some E and T in your system keeping you feeling well, while running other suppressive stuff. That's true about 19-nors, but you were ready to run Trest? I'd personally rather run the Halodrol or lgd, than Osta, but would do a serm pct for anything you decide to run.
In any case, I'd highly recommend checking bloods here and there. Just so you know what's going on. Hormonal and other health markers. You may do a little damage to your hpta with every run and hindering your hormonal production bit by bit as time goes on (as do we all). Serm pct is not a guarantee of full recovery or prevention of long time damage done to hpta, but it can kick things up and running way quicker, than without, and a tool I wouldn't and won't choose not to utilize.
uubiduu
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Yes, i already have experience with trest as transdermal and if i have to choose, trest gives better strenght gains and a better feeling during a run than 19-nors although both are very suppressive.
Halo has the disadvantage of higher liver toxicity and blood pressure issues (at least for me). lgd seems to be a good compromise but what would you do 5 weeks in osta? continue the cycle or switch to lgd?
Halo has the disadvantage of higher liver toxicity and blood pressure issues (at least for me). lgd seems to be a good compromise but what would you do 5 weeks in osta? continue the cycle or switch to lgd?
KvanH
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Trest is a 19-nor. And yeah, it's one of the strongest stuff out there. So how many weeks are you looking to do? If going over 8 weeks of anything and not pinning test or taking something, that converts to E, I'm amazed if you don't feel like crap. I've never done a cycle where I've switched up compounds in the middle of it, so I don't have an educated opinion on how that would work or how I would go about it. So I guess I'd continue with the Osta or add lgd on top of it or run both from the start or just lgd from start to finish.