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Thoughts / Comments on RPN Havoc

jake.miller23

jake.miller23

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Looking to run a pretty simple cutting cycle. Looking at havoc as its an epistane clone. Also considering m-sten. I have proper on cycle and post cycle supps already in mind. Just looking to get some feedback and thoughts. Thanks!
 
I wouldn't go with havoc, it's one of the most counterfeited supplements at the moment. I would find a different brand.
Isn't this your second cycle? Go with epistane.
 
yates84 said:
I wouldn't go with havoc, it's one of the most counterfeited supplements at the moment. I would find a different brand.
Isn't this your second cycle? Go with epistane.
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Ok thanks yates84, in my research i came across tr3st, i feel like this is more geared towards strength gain and not so much fat loss and lbm gains. I was also suggested the new blackstone labs ph's.
 
jake.miller23 said:
Ok thanks yates84, in my research i came across tr3st, i feel like this is more geared towards strength gain and not so much fat loss and lbm gains. I was also suggested the new blackstone labs ph's.
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I just ran OL Trest and Halofire, gained 13lbs. I guess that's a good gain?
 
jake.miller23 said:
Ok thanks yates84, in my research i came across tr3st, i feel like this is more geared towards strength gain and not so much fat loss and lbm gains. I was also suggested the new blackstone labs ph's.
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Trest is great for mass and strength but it aromatizes heavily and that can be a lot to deal with if you're not prepared. Low dose trest with the methyl of your choice ( epistane stacks great with trest ) it's a killer cycle. I just would stay away from havoc. Havoc hasn't been produced in about 6 years but there's still thousands of bottles floating around? Not a chance.
 
Check out my before and after pics in my log. Yates84 gained some nice weight and got leaner as well. Imo it's a nice ride as long as you have a good ai such as exemestane or adex
 
jake.miller23 said:
Looking to run a pretty simple cutting cycle. Looking at havoc as its an epistane clone. Also considering m-sten. I have proper on cycle and post cycle supps already in mind. Just looking to get some feedback and thoughts. Thanks!
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Epistane is gucci, just grab a test base because it made me feel shut down at week 3. I'd run it for 6 weeks and for pct run a serm and maybe run aromasin past the serm to prevent rebound or just be careful tapering the serm
 
NattyBoy said:
Epistane is gucci, just grab a test base because it made me feel shut down at week 3. I'd run it for 6 weeks and for pct run a serm and maybe run aromasin past the serm to prevent rebound or just be careful tapering the serm
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Trest = test base
 
What are peoples opinions on epistane vs halodrol? I always thought halo was better for size vs epi for strength, just from what i heard. Seems like epi is more popular
 
georgetown said:
What are peoples opinions on epistane vs halodrol? I always thought halo was better for size vs epi for strength, just from what i heard. Seems like epi is more popular
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For me it's exactly opposite, I get better weight gains from epistane and better strength gains from halo. They are both great beginner compounds that are mild on sides but still produces good keep able gains.
 
georgetown said:
What are peoples opinions on epistane vs halodrol? I always thought halo was better for size vs epi for strength, just from what i heard. Seems like epi is more popular
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Idk if it was the Trest or halo but every lift was I doing more sets, less rest time or a PR
 
yates84 said:
For me it's exactly opposite, I get better weight gains from epistane and better strength gains from halo. They are both great beginner compounds that are mild on sides but still produces good keep able gains.
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Yeah they definitely sound good also seems epi is drier so i can see why it would stack well with trest
 
georgetown said:
Yeah they definitely sound good also seems epi is drier so i can see why it would stack well with trest
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Exactly. Epi/trest was my last cycle, gained 17 pounds and only lost 2 Pounds in pct. Definitely a cycle I would reccomend to someone with a few sucessful cycles on their resume.
 
yates84 said:
Trest is great for mass and strength but it aromatizes heavily and that can be a lot to deal with if you're not prepared. Low dose trest with the methyl of your choice ( epistane stacks great with trest ) it's a killer cycle. I just would stay away from havoc. Havoc hasn't been produced in about 6 years but there's still thousands of bottles floating around? Not a chance.
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Havoc is licensed by predator now so there are some legit ones; however, that is the absolute only place I would buy it from. Any others have an extremely high risk of counterfeit like Yates said.
 
I've never ran halodrol but I think it would make a better first cycle because epistane puts you at risk of rebound gyno which wouldn't be fun and a first-timer would most likely have a hard time dealing with it, just $0.02 from a "natty"
 
Afi140 said:
Havoc is licensed by predator now so there are some legit ones; however, that is the absolute only place I would buy it from. Any others have an extremely high risk of counterfeit like Yates said.
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Predator havoc is gtg, dat was my first and only cycle so far..Gained 15.5 in 4weeks with chitty diet
 
Afi140 said:
Havoc is licensed by predator now so there are some legit ones; however, that is the absolute only place I would buy it from. Any others have an extremely high risk of counterfeit like Yates said.
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Good to know! Was wondering how that was going down.
 
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