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This Is Your Liver...

Day 30

1hr. after dosing. AST 78, ALT 81, LD 272, CK 1757, ALP 50, GGT 9, TBIL 1.2, DBIL 0.2, Cholesterol 93, HDLD 5.5, Triglycerides 41, AMY 64, ALB 6.9
 
Here is the updated Excell spreadsheet showing the trends.
Key:
Lt blue line = Average of values
Dk blue line = Trend
UPL = Upper limmit of Normal
LPL = Lower limmit of normal

There is a def increase in your Tbil, Dbil, and cholesterol. Your test and triglycerides have doubled. BTW, it sounds like you really blew it out over the past 10 days. lol
 
The bilirubin doesn't suprise me. I work in the lab in Urinalysis all the time, and I've seen enough piss to guess which ones are gonna be bilirubin positive on the dipstick, and I can even guess with about 80% accuracy which specimens will come up Ictotest positive, which is the confirmation test for bilirubin, just based on the way it looks and smells. When I was pissing in Cali a few times, I thought to myself, "Goddamn, that's Ictotest positive". It was high yesterday, but went back down today, whew :rolleyes:
 
any neg sides yet?

I'm starting to experience some mild sides, mainly lethargy. I have to take half an ephedra in the morning just to keep from falling asleep, then i usually take a 4 hour nap when i get home. Granted, I don't get much sleep at night, but the difference is noticable.
 
Day 31

AST 84, ALT 83, LD 274, ALP 49, GGT 11, CK 2393, Cholesterol 99, HDL 6.6, ALB 4.1, TBIL 1.3, DBIL 0.2
Drawn 45 min after dosing. Today was my third day lifting in a row, it's amazing how high CK goes up and down between training days and rest days. Today's workout was ****. I think I'll take off tomorrow, and finish my M1T cycle on an off day and get good muscle recovery before starting PCT. I'll weigh in tomorrow too. I think I'll start a thread giving my overall opinions and recommendations for M1T based on everything I've learned on this cycle. Hopefully newb's will read that and not ask bonehead questions, especially like posting a question in a thread that was already talked about earlier in the same thread. And a PCT thread is coming too. I know I'm pretty curious.
 
Great job Super. Hats off to you bro. We need more members like you around here. Youve definitly got the hookup at work.

db
 
The PCT bloodwork should be interesting as well. It will be helpfull to see how long it takes for for your axis to get back on track.
 
I'm curious to see how long it takes to drop your AST and ALT into the normal ranges.

I had bloodwork done 3 weeks after a 2 week M1T cycle (20 mg ED 1st wk, 30 mg ED 2nd wk). Problem is I don't know what my baseline was. Test levels weren't checked. Used Nolva for PCT 80 mg 1st day, 60 mg 2nd day, 40 mg days 3-7, 20 mg days 8-14.

Here were the results 3 weeks after:
Cholesterol 133, LDL 80, HDL 44, triglycerides 45, Protein 7.1, ALB 4.7, GLOB 2.4, TBIL 0.8, DBIL 0.2, ALP 71, AST 37, ALT 53.
 
In case anyone was wondering (like me) how to make sense of supersoldier's numbers, here's a good Invalid Link Removed on how to interpret blood test results.
 
JerseyDevil said:
I'm curious to see how long it takes to drop your AST and ALT into the normal ranges.

I had bloodwork done 3 weeks after a 2 week M1T cycle (20 mg ED 1st wk, 30 mg ED 2nd wk). Problem is I don't know what my baseline was. Test levels weren't checked. Used Nolva for PCT 80 mg 1st day, 60 mg 2nd day, 40 mg days 3-7, 20 mg days 8-14.

Here were the results 3 weeks after:
Cholesterol 133, LDL 80, HDL 44, triglycerides 45, Protein 7.1, ALB 4.7, GLOB 2.4, TBIL 0.8, DBIL 0.2, ALP 71, AST 37, ALT 53.
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I also had my blood tested 20 days after a 3 week cycle of 10mg M1T. However, I have had many previous tests before and know my baseline, my results were back to normal.

My results were similar to yours, my ALT is always just slightly higher than normal, even when on nothing. So I would say it takes no more than 3 weeks to get liver enzymes back to normal.
 
hypo said:
yeah, greenguy, what was your PCT? :)
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Clomid and Nolva for 3 weeks. I actually kept getting stronger for a week, and kept all my gains until I started cutting a month later. I start bulking again in Feb.

If the other guy in the message above yours (sorry can't remember your name, I'm an old man) is talking to me, I didn't have my LH, FSH, or any hormonal tests done. I know I was shut down, and I just judge my recovery by ball size and libido.

The Green One
 
This is my first post in this forum.... and, well, I'm speechless! But since I can still type I must say this thread is awesome. I'll definitely hang around here! Superstuff, Supersoldier.
Starting my M1T cycle in 4 weeks. This is INVALUABLE!
And Candle, great support.
 
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I got the following from Big Cat from bb. This was after 6weeks adminstration of m-1-t, unfortunately he said did not have the other values with him.

Gamma GT was 53 U/l
ASAT was 85 U/l
ALAT was 96 U/l
 
maetenloch said:
In case anyone was wondering (like me) how to make sense of supersoldier's numbers, here's a good Invalid Link Removed on how to interpret blood test results.
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Maetenloch....... Thanks a LOT for posting this, very helpful.
 
supersoldier said:
I definitely posted a link to the same article on the first page of this thread, but hey, what do I know? :p
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My bad - I didn't see the link and had to go searching on my own.
Supersoldier, you are thorough.
 
supersoldier said:
I definitely posted a link to the same article on the first page of this thread, but hey, what do I know? :p
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:D

You know how it is, we're all in a hurry and can't be bothered going ALL the WAY back THERE to find it?!

Thanks.

;)
 
this is by far the most informative and well documented thread on PH's ever. I haven't seen anyone check bloodwork during a cycle but have always thought that it would be interesting.....and it is!! This was linked over at Avant and I'm sure that people there will read every syllable. thanks SS
 
I am not the newbie xtrem so please don't attack !!!! Have something you also may want to check...your thyroid level like t4. I did a second cycle of 1-test and had my levels checked post cycle and ended up on thyroxin. Very curious where you were pre and post cycle for thyroid. I have been involved in competition and training for 21 years now (currently 38 years old) and am concerned about the low HDL. I would like to hear all opinions on the risk of these extremely low hdl levels..Also what was your bp..I suspect the nosebleeds were a result of hypertension and not dryness in your nostril. Risk/benefit ratio anyone???
 
ex_banana-eater said:
I wish I knew your RBC levels
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RBC was somewhere around 5.5, Hematocrit was usually between 49-51. My hematocrit was around 50 before I started the cycle too.
 
I've gained about 6 pounds so far, diet is somewhere around 5-6k calories, 450g+ protein, carbs only pre, during, and 2 meals post workout, every other meal is P+F. I've been bulking since October, and I've picked up a decent amount of fat, but also lots of muscle. Went from 200lbs, about 10% BF (after losing a lot of muscle due to injury) in mid september. Now at 226-230lbs 15%. The 6 pounds gained is since I started the M1T, and if anything my BF has decreased very slightly, or stayed the same, while on bulking calories.
The M1T doesn't boost test any, anything over nil is just endogenous test being made, the M1T will just act as your male sex hormone while it is in you.
For PCT I'm going to dose nolva for 40mg week 1, 30mg week 2, 20 week 3, 10 week 4, then off. Or I will adjust accordingly, because I have the advantage of having lab work done to see when my LH and FSH and testosterone come back up.

QUESTION>

My question is how do you really know what your gaining off of m1t you are eating nearly 3 times the average caloric intake for a male man and 7 times the normal protein. Anyone eating that much and taking that much protein is going to see great gain on that alone.
 
This is a simple law of gaining cycles and androgens. If you eat 6k cals in a day with no androgens, you're gonna gain a lot of fat and some muscle, no matter how clean it is. But if you eat 6k cals and gain weight while leaning out, then you know the androgen is working. Thanks for bumping my thread ;)
 
xtreme said:
I suspect the nosebleeds were a result of hypertension and not dryness in your nostril.
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I have read somewhere else that this could possibly be a result of dehydration........
 
dg806 said:
I have read somewhere else that this could possibly be a result of dehydration........
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It seams to be. My blood pressure is fine on fina but I get very dehydrated and tend to bleed. My doctor blames this on the nasal lining cracking. He told me to drink more water (good advice) and use a humidifier (fixed the problem).

supersoldier, this is one of the best threads I have ever seen. learned a lot. Thanks bro.
 
I was reading that one of you had the anthrax shot. That shot burned like a bitch!!! DId you get the 6 shot series or the 3 shot series? I did the 6 shot series. Those lucky bastards coming in only have to get the 3 shots ive heard. I would get my shot and then leave, and on my way to my car my arm felt like she injected lava into my bloodstream.
 
Skye said:
.......... My doctor blames this on the nasal lining cracking. He told me to drink more water (good advice) and use a humidifier (fixed the problem)...................
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Some advice from a guy who has had a lot of experience with nose bleeds...........

1 guy out of 16 has, instead of small veins running down through the nose, 1 or 2 larger ones. After having surgery to destroy both veins, and have them grow back as multiple smaller ones, I still had to have cauterization with silver nitrate.

I still occasionally have problems, although minor in comparison. DRYness, leads to hardened crusty mucuous, cracking, bleeding, etc.

Pick up some good old KY jelly, and apply it once or twice a day to the inside of your nose. It will help to keep it moisturized especially in the drier winter months.

Vaseline will actually make the problem worse, as it is a "water Hater". I forget the name of the term that describes that. But KY is the exact opposite, and will go a long way to solving the dryness problem.

Good luck.
 
haha " water hater " thats great. you mean hydrophobic.
anyways thanks for the advice. the worst is having to stop midworkout because of a bloody nose.
cc
 
PC1 said:
1 guy out of 16 has, instead of small veins running down through the nose, 1 or 2 larger ones. After having surgery to destroy both veins, and have them grow back as multiple smaller ones, I still had to have cauterization with silver nitrate.
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As a child I used to get severe migrane headaches and chronic nosebleeds to where it would pour out at anytime whatsoever.
When I was about 12 I had to have both nostrils cauterized. I dont remember any silver nitrate or anything but I do remember having what resembled a burning insence stick shoved up my nose and crying for about 2 weeks straight. I still have nightmares about that cold dark day. But it worked for me. It actually helped alittle with the headaches to but thats probably all in my head.

db
 
PC1 said:
Some advice from a guy who has had a lot of experience with nose bleeds...........

1 guy out of 16 has, instead of small veins running down through the nose, 1 or 2 larger ones. After having surgery to destroy both veins, and have them grow back as multiple smaller ones, I still had to have cauterization with silver nitrate.

I still occasionally have problems, although minor in comparison. DRYness, leads to hardened crusty mucuous, cracking, bleeding, etc.

Pick up some good old KY jelly, and apply it once or twice a day to the inside of your nose. It will help to keep it moisturized especially in the drier winter months.

Vaseline will actually make the problem worse, as it is a "water Hater". I forget the name of the term that describes that. But KY is the exact opposite, and will go a long way to solving the dryness problem.

Good luck.
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You can also make your own nasal spray out of water and glycerol and a little PG. Works great but I can't stand the sweetness of it.
 
xtrem said:
The truth may hurt but i guess i did not see that this thread was 3 pages long.......... As far as asking a question about stuff, gear, or what ever you call it. I have done my reaserach on some stuff, just sthe stuff i hear about or the stuff i am interested in. I don't live in this underground world where people use and have this stuff, in fact i really don't know any one who has taken anything. Even if they did they probly did it the wrong way. Guess what that is where you come into this little deal. I thought these types of web pages where to help people when they ask. Its not my fault you choose to be on hear. Infact it's not my fault you choose do do half the stuff you have. It was yours and i am sure you asked the same type of question when you first got into it........ I just hope that the next time you kid or wife or some one else comes to you with a questiion you give them the same response.........GO DO THE FUCKING RESEARCH FIRST DUMB ASS!!!!!!
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I usually never post, but I must after sitting here reading this entire thread ( Page 1 - 5 then immediately registering as a member). I never encountered such an informative thread, being both educational and amusing at the same time ( loved the quote above...was he so angry he forgot proper english and what homomnyms are? )! Serious props to SUPER SOLDIER and the rest of the gang that participated in making this a successful thread.

THANK YOU for all that information!
 
I have gained more knowledge on this thread than on any other board. Great work. Blood work throughout your total cycle has got to be such an advantage to the average cycle, takes some of the guessing out. keep up the excellent work!!!!
 
Chitownkid said:
My question is how do you really know what your gaining off of m1t you are eating nearly 3 times the average caloric intake for a male man and 7 times the normal protein. Anyone eating that much and taking that much protein is going to see great gain on that alone.
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The whole point is, drugs allow you to put on LBM faster than normal, but you still have to eat the weight unless you are looking for water primarily. Drugs dont keep you out of the kitchen, Ronnie Coleman eats far more than the average couch potato, rest assured.
 
dg806 said:
I have read somewhere else that this could possibly be a result of dehydration........
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Yep, accutane did it to me. These tissues are usually slightly moist compared to say your hand, and the skin is much thinner.
 
So what is the final word on liver health post PCT?

I don't know enough about all this to get a clear picture from your posted bloodwork. Could you possibly summarize your findings as to M1T and liver health? Thanks.
 
Romac said:
So what is the final word on liver health post PCT?

I don't know enough about all this to get a clear picture from your posted bloodwork. Could you possibly summarize your findings as to M1T and liver health? Thanks.
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Bump.......
I'm interested in how long it took to get HDL back up to normal!
 
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