Thinking of 2nd Cycle Options

Chemist63

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I did my first cycle early this year and I really liked it. The cycle was:

500mg of testo enanthate a week (Week 1-12)
30 mg of dbol (Week 1-4)
250iu of HCG (Week 4-14 @ 2x week)

I am thinking about a second cycle and I have been floating some idea's so I can collect some stuff. What do you think about:

1-2 Test e 1000mg
1-2 eq 1000mg
3-14 Test e 500mg
3-14 eq 500mg
15-16 Test Prop 125 eod
HCG throughout cycle

Than the usual PCT. I originally thought about running Tren Ace at 75 mg (5-10) and Test En at 750 mg (1-10) at first. I am waiting to have some blood work done soon when I see the doctor next week. I basically want to pick up some more bulk and cut some towards the end of the cycle.

Stats:

Age 41
Weight: 230
BF ~ 15 (Need to have it checked)
Height 6'1"

Thanks
 
Chemist63 said:
1-2 Test e 1000mg
1-2 eq 1000mg
3-14 Test e 500mg
3-14 eq 500mg
15-16 Test Prop 125 eod
HCG throughout cycle
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:thumbsup: I like it, looks very similar to something I'm planning for later this year.

I was planning on running tren for a good portion of my cycle, kickstarting rather than frontloading, and overlapping the oral with tren for a week. Something like this (certainly not set in stone yet):

1-4 SD 20mg/day (or dbol, maybe?)
1-14 test cyp 500mg/wk
1-12 eq 400mg/wk
4-13 tren ace 100-150mg EOD
15-16 test prop 150mg EOD
hCG 200iu EOD throughout

I'm also probably going to bridge the last two weeks of the cycle into the first two of PCT with IGF-1.

-kwantam
 
Actually, I'm curious as to y'all's opinion on the addition of slin to a cycle like this, maybe for weeks 1-4 and 8-11 or something; this gives 4slin/3off/4slin/3off/4IGF-1.

(Not to thread-jack, Chemist63; perhaps this is of some interest to you as well?)

-kwantam
 
I like that cycle plan. If you wanted to run tren, you could make that decision toward the end I suppose. Test/EQ seems like a good combo. Some joint and appetite help from the EQ, nice use of prop at the end to keep blood levels up. Good stuff.
 
kwantam said:
Actually, I'm curious as to y'all's opinion on the addition of slin to a cycle like this, maybe for weeks 1-4 and 8-11 or something; this gives 4slin/3off/4slin/3off/4IGF-1.

(Not to thread-jack, Chemist63; perhaps this is of some interest to you as well?)

-kwantam
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I would not mind hearing what people think about adding that to the cycle. Just not sure if IGF-1 is worth the money. Beelzebub log in a differnt section does not give it too much good thoughts.

Yes, I am aware of your thoughts on the matter Glenihan. Thanks for the advice :wave:

How about the idea of doing some "Tren Ace" at the end of the cycle to shed some fat instead of the "Test Prop"? What would be the difference in the outcome of the cycle if any?
 
Chemist63 said:
I would not mind hearing what people think about adding that to the cycle. Just not sure if IGF-1 is worth the money. Beelzebub log in a differnt section does not give it too much good thoughts.

Yes, I am aware of your thoughts on the matter Glenihan. Thanks for the advice :wave:

How about the idea of doing some "Tren Ace" at the end of the cycle to shed some fat instead of the "Test Prop"? What would be the difference in the outcome of the cycle if any?
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kwantam is referring to insulin bro, not IGF-1. different monster with a different name. haven't tried it myself and don't intend to. too many factors to consider for my tastes. some love it though saying it's the most anabolic thing on the planet. EDIT : didn't see the IGF at the end of his suggestion, but yeah, i don't think too highly of it but that's just me. for the money, you could hire bobo.

tren ace would definately harden you up more than test prop would, diet depending of course. run it for at least 6 weeks to make it worth your while. 8 weeks if you're feeling froggy.
 
also, FWIW, i haven't heard the greatest feedback from frontloads of long esters. from the feedback i've read, most say that they didn't feel any different than if they stuck to the same dose for the duration of the cycle. if you're looking for a kickstart, dbol or SD would be nice. perhaps drol if you're still feeling froggy. :)
 
So if I ran the Tran Ace in place of the Test Prop, the cycle would look like:

1-14 Test e 500mg (250mg 2x a week)
1-14 eq 500mg (250mg 2x a week)
6-13 Tren Ace 150mg EOD
HCG throughout cycle

I took dbol my first cycle I think it really messed with my blood preasure. It is under control now but not sure if I want to test the waters again. However, I really did like the gains I had with it. Never had taken SD or Drol... HMM
 
yeah, that looks ok. tren is fun. 8 weeks should suffice.

however, i would cut the eq out one week before the test enan ends. eq has a longer half life than test enan hence the reason for cutting it out early.
 
Thanks Man

The cycle will be:

1-14 Test e 500mg (250mg 2x a week)
1-13 eq 500mg (250mg 2x a week)
6-13 Tren Ace 150mg EOD
HCG throughout cycle

I just need to start some collection going now.

If I do feel "froggy" and want to take SD as a front load, how much would you go with and how long? Would 20mg/day work for the first four weeks?
 
Chemist63 said:
Thanks Man

The cycle will be:

1-14 Test e 500mg (250mg 2x a week)
1-13 eq 500mg (250mg 2x a week)
6-13 Tren Ace 150mg EOD
HCG throughout cycle

I just need to start some collection going now.

If I do feel "froggy" and want to take SD as a front load, how much would you go with and how long? Would 20mg/day work for the first four weeks?
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yeah, most are starting with 20mg and having great results. i tried 20mgs and had decent results but i'm going for 30mgs next time. now, that the AAS part is over, what's the plan for PCT? how's the diet looking?
 
Chemist63 said:
1-14 Test e 500mg (250mg 2x a week)
1-13 eq 500mg (250mg 2x a week)
6-13 Tren Ace 150mg EOD
HCG throughout cycle
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I'd add the test prop back in at the end so that you can go right into PCT instead of waiting for the long ester to clear your system.

Also, if you've never used tren before, start at 100mg EOD, not 150. You can always bump it up, but it's better to get a handle on how it affects you first IMHO.

1-12 test enan 500mg/wk
13-14 test prop 150mg EOD
1-13 eq 500mg/wk
6-13 tren ace 100mg EOD, perhaps increase to 150mg EOD after 4 weeks if you're OK with the sides
hCG throughout

Or, perhaps better, run the enan for 14 weeks and add two weeks of prop only to the end of the cycle, for a total of 16 weeks.

-kwantam
 
Beelzebub said:
yeah, most are starting with 20mg and having great results. i tried 20mgs and had decent results but i'm going for 30mgs next time. now, that the AAS part is over, what's the plan for PCT? how's the diet looking?
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My last PCT was:

Clomid, Lean Extreme, Rebound XT Tribulus terrestris - Avena sativa, and CEE. I might go with the Nolva route this time and not the Rebound but we will see how the blood work looks.

My diet last time was the last time I figured it out:
Cals: 4500 Fat: 130 Carbs: 350 Protein: 427

kwantam said:
I'd add the test prop back in at the end so that you can go right into PCT instead of waiting for the long ester to clear your system.

Also, if you've never used tren before, start at 100mg EOD, not 150. You can always bump it up, but it's better to get a handle on how it affects you first IMHO.

1-12 test enan 500mg/wk
13-14 test prop 150mg EOD
1-13 eq 500mg/wk
6-13 tren ace 100mg EOD, perhaps increase to 150mg EOD after 4 weeks if you're OK with the sides
hCG throughout

Or, perhaps better, run the enan for 14 weeks and add two weeks of prop only to the end of the cycle, for a total of 16 weeks.

-kwantam
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That means I would have to find a sourse of it also. I ended last time on the long ester and just waited 10 days for PCT. I will look into it and see what I can do. I guess I could do what you said and start the Tran Ace at a lower level depending how I feel bump it up. You guys are the best. Thanks for all the help and support so quickly.
 
I go in for blood work on Friday morning. They are going to test my kidney, liver, cholesterol, and testosterone. Should I have something else checked too? My blood pressure is under control now too. If things look good, I should start this early next week.

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