Unanswered Thinking ahead to next cycle. Could use Input.

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Ok, so it’s way early, only a couple weeks into pct from a test, NPP, msten and var cycle. It was 16 weeks total. Not looking to start until January, and obviously pending bloodwork. But I’ve been sorta planning it in my head. Is this nuts?

week 1-14 Sus 375 per week
Week 1-14 EQ 600 per week
Week 1-10 DHB 450 per week
Week 1-8 Var 75mg per day
Week 1-6 Trenadrol 120mg per day
Week 1-4 Havoc 30mg per day
Week 11-18 NPP 450 per week
Week 15-18 injectable SD 20mg per day
Week 15-18 Test P 300 per week
HCG, prami and AI on cycle of course, and proviron the last 8 weeks

Goal is lean, dry, hard gains. Going for the underwear model on steroids look, so conditioning will be important thus the EQ. I have the var, havoc and trenadrol laying around already which is why I wanted to start off with that. I’d rather it not be quite such a long cycle, but with EQ involved, this is sort of the minimum right?

Thoughts and suggestions appreciated.
 
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Yeah that’s retarded! Are you trying to get on TRT. Easy on the lengthy cycles...since it’s winter I would run a lean bulk .

Test Phenyl Prop wk 1-14 @500mg
NPP wk 1-11 @ 500mg (three weeks clear)
Superdrol wk 11-14 @ 20mg

You won’t need an oral kickstart with TPP & NPP they should be fully kicked in in two weeks. I personally prefer to run orals on the back end. This will also help you get past plateaus as myostatin kicks in on week 10. Perfect time for some superdrol! 😊 this is a no brainer type blast and guaranteed to be very effective for size and strength. I would keep it simple with pinning schedule. M, W, F would be just fine.
 

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Yeah that’s retarded! Are you trying to get on TRT. Easy on the lengthy cycles...since it’s winter I would run a lean bulk .

Test Phenyl Prop wk 1-14 @500mg
NPP wk 1-11 @ 500mg (three weeks clear)
Superdrol wk 11-14 @ 20mg

You won’t need an oral kickstart with TPP & NPP they should be fully kicked in in two weeks. I personally prefer to run orals on the back end. This will also help you get past plateaus as myostatin kicks in on week 10. Perfect time for some superdrol! 😊 this is a no brainer type blast and guaranteed to be bravery effective for size and strength. I would keep it simple with pinning schedule. M, W, F would be just fine.
So basically, EQ is a no go until it’s time to be on trt? I generally see 14 weeks as the minimum for EQ, which mandates an 18 week cycle. Kinda makes it tricky.
 
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Ok, so it’s way early, only a couple weeks into pct from a test, NPP, msten and var cycle. It was 16 weeks total. Not looking to start until January, and obviously pending bloodwork. But I’ve been sorta planning it in my head. Is this nuts?

week 1-14 Sus 375 per week
Week 1-14 EQ 600 per week
Week 1-10 DHB 450 per week
Week 1-8 Var 75mg per day
Week 1-6 Trenadrol 120mg per day
Week 1-4 Havoc 30mg per day
Week 11-18 NPP 450 per week
Week 15-18 injectable SD 20mg per day
Week 15-18 Test P 300 per week
HCG, prami and AI on cycle of course, and proviron the last 8 weeks

Goal is lean, dry, hard gains. Going for the underwear model on steroids look, so conditioning will be important thus the EQ. I have the var, havoc and trenadrol laying around already which is why I wanted to start off with that. I’d rather it not be quite such a long cycle, but with EQ involved, this is sort of the minimum right?

Thoughts and suggestions appreciated.
I think you've got too much going on there, man.
..... And I agree... I would shorten it a lot. You can frontload the EQ.

If you're not on TRT yet, Matthersby just made a good post (comment) about his good experiences with short cycles, and how a long cycle put him on TRT.
 
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So basically, EQ is a no go until it’s time to be on trt? I generally see 14 weeks as the minimum for EQ, which mandates an 18 week cycle. Kinda makes it tricky.
IMO anybody running PCT’S should avoid EQ and DECA as they both need 5 plus weeks to clear. With EQ being even worst because as you said, should be run for 16 plus weeks.
 

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Ok after thinking about his a bit, I think the EQ is what’s throwing the wrench in it for me. So maybe something like this would be better:

1-10 sus 375wk
1-12 DHB 450wk
11-14 test p 350wk
1-4 havoc 30mg day
1-6 trenadrol 120mg day
11-14 inj SD 20mg a day

That drops the NPP, EQ, and the var. Havoc/Trenadrol kickstart and superdrol to finish. Knocks 4 weeks off the cycle.
 

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I feel like the dhb will make it a pain in the ass but the cycle should be pretty neat.
Literally. Im a bit nervous about it, but it sounds perfect for my goals. Another option could be primo i guess.
 

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Yeah not sure primo would cut it... maybe a high dose of it... what about tren low dose? Instead of dhb?
 

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Yeah not sure primo would cut it... maybe a high dose of it... what about tren low dose? Instead of dhb?
Tren is a no go for me. Im already a bit short fused and work in a high pressure environment. Id be unemployed on tren.
 
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12 weeks of DHB, yeesh. Best of luck. Also, I would run the Epistane 6 weeks at 30-40mg if you have enough. Help balance the Tvar and it’s slow to work.
 
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Ok after thinking about his a bit, I think the EQ is what’s throwing the wrench in it for me. So maybe something like this would be better:

1-10 sus 375wk
1-12 DHB 450wk
11-14 test p 350wk
1-4 havoc 30mg day
1-6 trenadrol 120mg day
11-14 inj SD 20mg a day

That drops the NPP, EQ, and the var. Havoc/Trenadrol kickstart and superdrol to finish. Knocks 4 weeks off the cycle.
Ok after thinking about his a bit, I think the EQ is what’s throwing the wrench in it for me. So maybe something like this would be better:

1-10 sus 375wk
1-12 DHB 450wk
11-14 test p 350wk
1-4 havoc 30mg day
1-6 trenadrol 120mg day
11-14 inj SD 20mg a day

That drops the NPP, EQ, and the var. Havoc/Trenadrol kickstart and superdrol to finish. Knocks 4 weeks off the cycle.
Literally. Im a bit nervous about it, but it sounds perfect for my goals. Another option could be primo i guess.
Still way to many compounds. Another option would be working out 2hrs a day 6 days a week with tons of cardio and a spot on diet!! Or you can just rely on more drugs?
 

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12 weeks of DHB, yeesh. Best of luck. Also, I would run the Epistane 6 weeks at 30-40mg if you have enough. Help balance the Tvar and it’s slow to work.
Wouldnt be that big a deal to get another bottle of havoc. And yeah i dunno if ill be able to make 12 weeks of dhb but hopefully i can make 10.
 

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The booty will be demolished after that 12 weeks! You’ll know how a women feels after a good spanking session
 
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Still way to many compounds. Another option would be working out 2hrs a day 6 days a week with tons of cardio and a spot on diet!! Or you can just rely on more drugs?
It’s literally the cycle you suggested with 200mg less oil per week, DHB in lieu of NPP as the primary anabolic, and Spawn on the front end.

Doesn’t seem any crazier to me? 🤷‍♂️
 
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It’s literally the cycle you suggested with 200mg less oil per week, DHB in lieu of NPP as the primary anabolic, and Spawn on the front end.

Doesn’t seem any crazier to me? 🤷‍♂️
The only thing that is the same is the length.
Npp shits on DHB and it doesn’t hurt! 😊 I suggested 4 weeks of methys not 8 weeks. More is not better, I am willing to bet the bank that he doesn’t even get through 8 weeks of DHB before he gives up. Oh trenadrol as well, his blood pressure will be jacked through out the whole cycle. All for Lean gains, Lol 😝
 
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Ok after thinking about his a bit, I think the EQ is what’s throwing the wrench in it for me. So maybe something like this would be better:

1-10 sus 375wk
1-12 DHB 450wk
11-14 test p 350wk
1-4 havoc 30mg day
1-6 trenadrol 120mg day
11-14 inj SD 20mg a day

That drops the NPP, EQ, and the var. Havoc/Trenadrol kickstart and superdrol to finish. Knocks 4 weeks off the cycle.
Maybe just go 12 weeks total and run the prop beginning to end at 200?
Now that you dropped the other 3, it looks doable, I just wonder how much oil ON TOP of dhb a guy can take? Maybe it’s better to dilute the guaiacol some? Or maybe it’ll make it worse.

I always added prop to sust back when I used it, so it’s probably fine as-is.
I agree with the few others that said front load the dhb, because i haven’t seen too many finish 12 weeks of it. 7-9 is usually an accomplishment.
 
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The only thing that is the same is the length.
Npp shits on DHB and it doesn’t hurt! I suggested 4 weeks of methys not 8 weeks. More is not better, I am willing to bet the bank that he doesn’t even get through 8 weeks of DHB before he gives up. Oh trenadrol as well, his blood pressure will be jacked through out the whole cycle. All for Lean gains, Lol
90mg of trenavar ain’t ****
 
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I was gonna do 120. Which still isnt extreme. Heard of plenty of guys running 180
Bingo. Set my best total to date on that, PRs in every lift. Quads were really juicy too that cycle, as I recall. 180 is harsh though, you will get super winded. 120 is a great stack dosage for effect vs sides.
 

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Bingo. Set my best total to date on that, PRs in every lift. Quads were really juicy too that cycle, as I recall. 180 is harsh though, you will get super winded. 120 is a great stack dosage for effect vs sides.
I was thinking of doing a trenavar/dmz cycle for 4wks, then just trenavar for 4 more, for a total of 8wks. I was think 120mg trenavar ED and 30md dmz ED for the first 4wks, and the next 4wks just trenavar. What do u think i should run the trenavar at the last 4 wks?
 
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I was thinking of doing a trenavar/dmz cycle for 4wks, then just trenavar for 4 more, for a total of 8wks. I was think 120mg trenavar ED and 30md dmz ED for the first 4wks, and the next 4wks just trenavar. What do u think i should run the trenavar at the last 4 wks?
Not more than 150mg
 

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