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Thinking about TRT 38 year old male.

JoshDiesel

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I was put on probation about 9 months ago which made me quit drinking cold turkey if I wanted to stay out of jail. My test levels when I was a drinker from age 30-37 ranged anywhere from 220-400 mostly staying in the low 300's. Most recent as a drinker was 323.

I went to 4 doctors including an endo that said I don't need TRT even at these levels.

Now that I've quit, my levels have gone up to 525 with free at 115. Still on the low side but a huge improvement.

The only things I've done differently are consistent weight training, 10,000 IUs of vitamin D3 a day and absolutely zero alcohol.

However, I am making virtually zero progress in the gym if not actually regressing quite a bit. Zero morning wood ever. Zero life ambition. I have an almost non-existent sex drive with rare instances of it every few weeks. Pretty girls mine as well be a nice sunset or interesting painting to me and I consider pursuit much more of a hassle than it's worth.

I was actually MUCH better in the gym and had a higher sex drive when my levels were much lower which I don't really understand.

Could things be in my head or is it time to bite the bullet and start taking testosterone? Thyroid issue is under control. Never tested LH or DHEA. Thoughts?
 
I'm 23 and had a 383 level. Went to 4 docs and finally the last one basically said my body wasn't making any test. Put on clomid 50mg everyday (which is high) and within about 3 weeks I was in the 1100's. I feel a huge improvement, less irritation, more sex drive, morning wood, able to think better. I didn't want to injection so this is perfect for me. I'd suggest finding a naturopathic (most insurances don't cover but I'd check around) that is who I am seeing now. I went to 2 PCPS, 1 test clinic and 1 naturopathic
 
There are a couple of websites that have great TRT information. ExcelMale, Peaktestosterone dot com. FB page called Testosterone Replacement Therapy Discussion.
 
I don't think I've ever seen a truly low T of > 500. That is, when paired with LH/FSH I wouldn't expect to see LH/FSH levels to be altered to outside the normal range or even at the extreme limits of the normal range. People in the 300-400 range, sure. But, not > 500.

Starting T for the purpose of TRT is a bigger commitment than I think people give it credit for. The symptoms you describe could be due to many other things. As could the lack of progress in the gym. Regarding the gym specifically, I'd consider working with a good coach before jumping on androgens. Get those macros and regimen spot on.

FYI: 10,000 IU of Vitamin D daily is a pretty big dose. There is such thing as Vitamin D toxicity. You should get your levels checked. Maintenance doses of Vitamin D2 or D3 are generally considered to be in the 800 to 1,000 IU per day range for people who may have previously had a deficiency (that's still higher than the RDA), although some people aim much higher. I think the key is that your levels are not excessive. Generally speaking levels of 30-70 are considered by many to be decent levels. 70-100 raise some flags. > 100 and it's definitely time to take it down a notch.
 
trn450 said:
I don't think I've ever seen a truly low T of > 500. That is, when paired with LH/FSH I wouldn't expect to see LH/FSH levels to be altered to outside the normal range or even at the extreme limits of the normal range. People in the 300-400 range, sure. But, not > 500.

Starting T for the purpose of TRT is a bigger commitment than I think people give it credit for. The symptoms you describe could be due to many other things. As could the lack of progress in the gym. Regarding the gym specifically, I'd consider working with a good coach before jumping on androgens. Get those macros and regimen spot on.

FYI: 10,000 IU of Vitamin D daily is a pretty big dose. There is such thing as Vitamin D toxicity. You should get your levels checked. Maintenance doses of Vitamin D2 or D3 are generally considered to be in the 800 to 1,000 IU per day range for people who may have previously had a deficiency (that's still higher than the RDA), although some people aim much higher. I think the key is that your levels are not excessive. Generally speaking levels of 30-70 are considered by many to be decent levels. 70-100 raise some flags. > 100 and it's definitely time to take it down a notch.
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I agree with you info except the vitamin D. I take a 5000 iu's every other day. The other days I take 10000 iu's. This is based on regular blood work. When I first started taking vitamin d, my levels were double digits.
 
As long as the Vitamin D blood levels are within acceptable limits then it wouldn't bother me how many IU's got you there. ^_^
 
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