Thinking about doing my First Cycle. Need some Advice

beastmOdE3

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Im 21 years old and I have been working out for about 2 years. I have made some decent gains but now I want to really get ripped and big. Im really new to prohormones and steroids and do not have much info on them and what I should take. I was thinking like epi or anvar10 then novla for PCT.

My concern is I dont really plan on staying on steroids and doing cycle after cycle. I would just like to do a cycle to get big then get off. I was just wondering if I just do one cycle is there any point or will I just loose all my gains and go back to exactly what I looked like.

Not sure if this helps but my dream physique is to look like Zyzz, Jeff Seid, Greg Plitt, and other just super ripped aesthetic bodybuilders. I know I can get shredded by just dieting but I want to be big and shredded.
 
As long as you have everything lined up you will keep your gains. Glad you already know about nolva, shows you have done some research. If this is your first ph you can start with a 1-dhea and 4-dhea product or xi-kt product for a recomp type cycle. We have finaflex 1-ANDRO and iron legion xi-Kt at strong. I would run those before jumping into others but everyone is different. There's a university study backing efficacy of 1-dhea if that helps :)

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Thanks for the reply. How much gains can I expect from that. I just went on that site and saw the videos of the guy for the novice stack and it doesn't even look like he changed from the cycle. Not sure how he trained, But if that is what I can expect it doesn't really seem worth it.

Is epi, anvar, andro, ect. just really weak steroids that barely work? Is test, tren, clen, ect. the really ones that work? If im going to take steroids I would at least want to really change my physique.

I looked up a lot of videos and before/after of anvar, epi, and dianbol, and some seemed like good gains then others were just pathetic why they would even take the steroid to look the same afterwards. Maybe these people just did not even train hard or diet, but doesnt really make sense.

Also not sure if this means anything but Im half way through my first 5 week cycle of DAA.
 
People respond differently to different compounds. There are a lot of factors involved so don't limit yourself to videos only. It really comes down to what you want and how fast. The more size and faster results usually come with the greatest risks. That being said, many people use tons of different compounds with great success as long as they have everything lined up from cycle support to pct. Check out this thread and let me know what you think. Being 21 I would personally start with an "easier"compound especially since it's your first run.

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No one really changes,in one cycle really honestly the only thing that I know,which really changes your look drastically in like 12-16 weeks is a,kick ass diet and not one you do your self or just eating clean or watching macros. I mean one set up by a prep coach where your bf% is,checked your looked is constantly checked your diet is adjusted your cardio type duration etc
 
mixedup said:
No one really changes,in one cycle really honestly the only thing that I know,which really changes your look drastically in like 12-16 weeks is a,kick ass diet and not one you do your self or just eating clean or watching macros. I mean one set up by a prep coach where your bf% is,checked your looked is constantly checked your diet is adjusted your cardio type duration etc
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Yea but I dont want to be just ripped and skinny. I always here that your first cycle is where you gain the most. And I heard that from Pro bodybuilders.
 
Im like 5'10 160 lbs. Been lifting for 2 years and don't get me wrong I am happy with what Ive built so far but I really want to take it to the next level.

To give you an idea of my strength my maxes are

Bench: 245
Squat: 300
Not sure on deadlift and my arms are almost 15 in flexed non pumped.
 
Best advice I can give is read read and read more, then decide what you want to do. I did my first cycle approx 18 years ago and I was blind going in just taking whatever the guy at the gym gave me. Looking back now I was dumb and lucky I did not end up messing myself up.

So much better to make an informed decision. It is a constant learning curve. As for only doing one cycle, I bet you change your mind after you see the results. :-) Make sure you have your diet in check before you take anything.
 
I stalked these forums and the net for a year before my first run. Definitely learn everything you can, will save you a lot of hardship in the future
 
It really comes down to the person and once they come off. Some people can hold on to their gains for alittle but more than likely once you come off you will slowly lose your gains.
But if you are looking to use epistane and get cut i would take a look at E-Ripper. It has 15mg of epistane which is good if this is your first prohormone run, and it has 3 cutting agents in it.
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Boom. Reading up and cross referencing everything you learn on google is a good way to learn. Basic cycle would be either halodrol or epistane. Serms are necessary for these compounds and for most of them. Proper on cycle care is important to keep organ health well like cel cycle assist. Some optional things during pct would be like sns reduce xt, DAA, etc..
 
Yes that's what we're always told but u have to remember back when a lot of those guys first started juicing myself included there were no otc steroids,a first common cycle was was 10-12 weeks of test and deca with a four week kick of dbol . NOW if your talking about that kind of cycle yes,you will get tremendous gains
 
I've found that those who run a PH/DS or AAS, if their gains are weak, it's usually because their training and diet are week. How many calories a day do you take in? How much protein are you eating a day? Do you up your carbs on workout days to help with synthesis? What is your trainging style/training split? There are a ton of factors. The more info you give the more we can help.
 
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mixedup said:
Yes that's what we're always told but u have to remember back when a lot of those guys first started juicing myself included there were no otc steroids,a first common cycle was was 10-12 weeks of test and deca with a four week kick of dbol . NOW if your talking about that kind of cycle yes,you will get tremendous gains
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Could I do a cycle of test or is that really strong.

Also what is the difference of buying prohormones or steroids. Because I just came across iroids.com and I even looked up reviews and they seem legit.

My diet is good. I'm eating about 2500 calories. Close to 200g protein. Workout 6 day split doing heavier first 3 days then lighter next 3.
 
You will never get "big" eating 2500 calories a day.

Better to stay natural for now and get your diet in check then think about a cycle.
 
beastmOdE3 said:
My diet is good. I'm eating about 2500 calories. Close to 200g protein. Workout 6 day split doing heavier first 3 days then lighter next 3.
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2,500 calories isn't much of you're trying to grow. I would average 3,000 - 3,500 during my "bulking" cycles before I even tried my first PH at 32 years old. Get those calories up to see size, and I'm not taking about fat.
 
^^^I would agreee. A lot of people should understand your nutrition and training has to be right before you start PH's if you really want to see good results.
 
why does no one recommend halodrol? or halo elite as i am doing a log on.

but i agree with what the other posters say, top notch diet at least 3k calories
 
jetnut said:
why does no one recommend halodrol? or halo elite as i am doing a log on. but i agree with what the other posters say, top notch diet at least 3k calories
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I'd never run Halo again, Dmz gave me less sides than Halo and was 3x as good.. Why wait 3-4 weeks for something to get good when you can be rocking in 10 days or less..
 
jetnut said:
why does no one recommend halodrol? or halo elite as i am doing a log on.

but i agree with what the other posters say, top notch diet at least 3k calories
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Halo dosing sometimes needs to be higher (occasionally a lot higher) depending on the individual.
 
Thanks for all the replies. And I guess I'll just stay natty for now and eat more.

I just have another question. What is the difference between people that are really aesthetic than just huge monsters that use steroids. Do they just train different or is it the amount of steroids they take or certain ones.
 
beastmOdE3 said:
Thanks for all the replies. And I guess I'll just stay natty for now and eat more.

I just have another question. What is the difference between people that are really aesthetic than just huge monsters that use steroids. Do they just train different or is it the amount of steroids they take or certain ones.
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Monsters in training
 
beastmOdE3 said:
Could you elaborate?
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Just kidding around, I guess genetics and time and effort make the difference. No real good answer. It's not different steroids
 
yates84 said:
Just kidding around, I guess genetics and time and effort make the difference. No real good answer. It's not different steroids
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If you have two guys who are genetically similar both training and eating the same. The type of compounds they take will effect the type of gains they make and the end result. IMO
 
Yea that's what I was thinking how one guy would just be ripped and big while one guys is huge beastly.
I'm going for just a really aesthetic look.

Also why do I keep hearing if you start steroids you have to do it for life??
 
You don't have to do them for life but they can be addictive. I have been training on and off for 21 years. In that time i would guess I have had approx 12 cycles. Due to start my second of this year which will take me into next year. Then I might do another cycle towards the end of next year.

If you want to keep as much of your gains as possible, your PCT has to be right and you have to keep training and eating right.

See how it goes.
 
I'm on my 4th week of DAA. I've seen ok strength gains and I seem to be getting leaner and more defined.

Should I keep taking the DAA and how long should I take it for?
 
beastmOdE3 said:
Should I keep taking the DAA and how long should I take it for?
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It's like most supplements, you'll want to cycle to see the most advantage from it. 30 days is the usual run, but there's a study that ran 12 days on and 12 days off and the subjects were able to maintain fairly high (higher than average) levels for almost 6 months. But they were also over 30 years old.
 
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