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I'm going to sound like an angry old.man and some ppl may call me a liar and blah blah but I see a lot of anabolic use by members when there's no way in he'll they should be using. Here are pics of me using NO injectables since Dec and have been pretty much natty for 8 weeks, clen & peptides. I'm weighing 176.25lbs here. Really look at your training, diet and cardio....please.
 

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Feel like you just wanted to make a post to show your ripped body
 
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I'm going to sound like an angry old.man and some ppl may call me a liar and blah blah but I see a lot of anabolic use by members when there's no way in he'll they should be using. Here are pics of me using NO injectables since Dec and have been pretty much natty for 8 weeks, clen & peptides. I'm weighing 176.25lbs here. Really look at your training, diet and cardio....please.
Yep. You can say that again.

Looking awesome man, what kind of training have you been doing while off injectables?
 
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Yep. You can say that again.

Looking awesome man, what kind of training have you been doing while off injectables?
Thanks bud.

I started doing high volume 7 days a week with HIIT in the morning. Last 8 weeks has been DC training with lower carbs but still doing hiit
 
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Thanks bud.

I started doing high volume 7 days a week with HIIT in the morning. Last 8 weeks has been DC training with lower carbs but still doing hiit
Good stuff, i have never tried DC routine, usually always stick with my modified PHAT right way through a cut, however HIIT is my shining knight for getting to lower BF% as it somehow allows me to continue progressing on leg workouts despite being in a deficit.
 
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Good stuff, i have never tried DC routine, usually always stick with my modified PHAT right way through a cut, however HIIT is my shining knight for getting to lower BF% as it somehow allows me to continue progressing on leg workouts despite being in a deficit.
I had always been a LISS guy until working with this coach and I've seemed to thrive but it's not your typical HIIT routine. A lot more intricate but it's highly affective.
 
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I'm going to sound like an angry old.man and some ppl may call me a liar and blah blah but I see a lot of anabolic use by members when there's no way in he'll they should be using. Here are pics of me using NO injectables since Dec and have been pretty much natty for 8 weeks, clen & peptides. I'm weighing 176.25lbs here. Really look at your training, diet and cardio....please.
I said this same thing a few years back and people lost their minds lol. Good to see ya around buddy
 
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What constitutes if someone should or should not use injectables?
 
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What constitutes if someone should or should not use injectables?
It's any steroid, period. 80% of the guys on here using look like they don't even workout.

If I posted my dose of ORALS I was on for 8 weeks at the beginning of my cut everyone would say it's too low of a dose and I'd notice nothing.

I think my physique can speak to that.
 
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It's any steroid, period. 80% of the guys on here using look like they don't even workout.

If I posted my dose of ORALS I was on for 8 weeks at the beginning of my cut everyone would say it's too low of a dose and I'd notice nothing.

I think my physique can speak to that.
Agree that people place steroids (and supplements) ahead of everything else, and those people's results are evident. As it was, as it ever will be.
 
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It's any steroid, period. 80% of the guys on here using look like they don't even workout.

If I posted my dose of ORALS I was on for 8 weeks at the beginning of my cut everyone would say it's too low of a dose and I'd notice nothing.

I think my physique can speak to that.
X2... not on the use aspect but more so on the use side of things. When he says injectable it may be taken as injection route only and PO (oral) doesn't count, which isn't the case. Anything that is an AAS or converts to an AAS is what he's referring to (unless I'm mistaken).

My opinion from here on out:

The point of these forums is to give bodybuilders and the like an open forum to discuss supplements, training, diet and if need be hormones. Unfortunately, from what I've seen after years and years of participating on these boards is a lot of hormone use and the subsequent yo-yo effect of on again off again forum members.

If the boards could turn to an interactive forum of real life participation outside of being centered around a keyboard, results would be had for everyone. Literally, these boards would be a hub for the best ****ing physiques around.
 
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Agree that people place steroids (and supplements) ahead of everything else, and those people's results are evident. As it was, as it ever will be.
X2... not on the use aspect but more so on the use side of things. When he says injectable it may be taken as injection route only and PO (oral) doesn't count, which isn't the case. Anything that is an AAS or converts to an AAS is what he's referring to (unless I'm mistaken).

My opinion from here on out:

The point of these forums is to give bodybuilders and the like an open forum to discuss supplements, training, diet and if need be hormones. Unfortunately, from what I've seen after years and years of participating on these boards is a lot of hormone use and the subsequent yo-yo effect of on again off again forum members.

If the boards could turn to an interactive forum of real life participation outside of being centered around a keyboard, results would be had for everyone. Literally, these boards would be a hub for the best ****ing physiques around.
Bingo, I may seem somewhat cynical the last year or so but this board used to great with info and helping out and honest feedback and it's gotten away from it. 10 years ago a lot of these posts in the hormone board would have been scoffed at if the newb was dumb enough to post some of the things they do.

I'm no saint, I'm absolutely guilty of using things I had no business using before. I'm trying to help teach others from my mistakes.
 
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It's also a place for support. People are going to do what they're going to do. Support can be looked at as encouragement I suppose, whether right or wrong. DW obviously has the life dialed in, but I think many people are content with less. They CAN"T figure out how to diet right for long. They CAN"T figure out how to train properly for their body and their goals. So they look for an edge. And they'll accept what ever they get out of that edge. So, at least some experience on how to be safe and also have fun. If you don't plan on competing, this should be fun. The gym experience should be enjoyable. People should find levels of content in their training and in the mirror, even if that's not stage or competition worthy.

I understand the post. All this can also be dangerous and counterproductive. Everyone assumes their own risk.

Also not everyone cycles for physique. Does someone have to "look good" to want to get super strong? Just because one person's idea of what someone who uses steroids should look like, doesn't really mean squat. Strongmen and Powerlifters are not physique competitors. Bigger, Stronger, Faster....not always just Leaner
 
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I would say the majority of the people in this arena will one day end up letting it all go. 40-something, they never figured out how to make it work. The cycles didn't do magic. And they'll blame their genetics (if they even give that any credit), blame the gear, blame the supplements, and probably just give up the life and move on. Hopefully not having damaged their health and hormones too bad. Because results keep people doing things. It's probably 10% or less of us who will be lifers in this game, because we had the basics and priorities figured out early on.
 
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Bingo, I may seem somewhat cynical the last year or so but this board used to great with info and helping out and honest feedback and it's gotten away from it. 10 years ago a lot of these posts in the hormone board would have been scoffed at if the newb was dumb enough to post some of the things they do.

I'm no saint, I'm absolutely guilty of using things I had no business using before. I'm trying to help teach others from my mistakes.
It's hard not to be cynical with current climate of the industry. Every single IG personality that has stepped on stage is now a prep coach lol.

This industry is the new gold rush, people are trying to get their piece, which leads to exploitation of what you and I are both passionate about and have been for about 10 years of our lives
 
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It's also a place for support. People are going to do what they're going to do. Support can be looked at as encouragement I suppose, whether right or wrong. DW obviously has the life dialed in, but I think many people are content with less. They CAN"T figure out how to diet right for long. They CAN"T figure out how to train properly for their body and their goals. So they look for an edge. And they'll accept what ever they get out of that edge. So, at least some experience on how to be safe and also have fun. If you don't plan on competing, this should be fun. The gym experience should be enjoyable. People should find levels of content in their training and in the mirror, even if that's not stage or competition worthy.

I understand the post. All this can also be dangerous and counterproductive. Everyone assumes their own risk.

Also not everyone cycles for physique. Does someone have to "look good" to want to get super strong? Just because one person's idea of what someone who uses steroids should look like, doesn't really mean squat. Strongmen and Powerlifters are not physique competitors. Bigger, Stronger, Faster....not always just Leaner
Perfect post...

They CAN'T
They CAN'T

Why CAN'T they? Cuz they're getting sold to daily on take this or that so you CAN. And then when they still CAN'T. They're like what the ****? Must not be for me, which is NOT the case.

Think about the environment of a board that is a hybrid of both intellect AND practicality? A group of individuals that, discuss **** on the Internet AND put it into practice. Versus a community of yes men just saying oh yeah, take this take that, you'll be jacked in no time!
 
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Above is all true, I get it. However, I feel, if I can post what I can do it may give someone inspiration. Once Hormones are added in results would be accelerated, greatly.

With that said, I'm not going to support ignorance. If someone is 6'0 and 170lbs and post to run 500mg test w Tren, I'm sorry but FUKC you. This whole Bostin Lyod age of hormone use is ignorant. There's even guys who compete on here that look pretty good still using waaaay too much gear. No one on here needs 1500mg of test or 700mg of Tren. I'm just calling a spade a spade.
 
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Change the culture, change the results... if you could accomplish such feats you'd be followed by an entire movement of capable and process hardened individuals that could shape future generations to come.

I know, too deep for muscles lol
 
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Change the culture, change the results... if you could accomplish such feats you'd be followed by an entire movement of capable and process hardened individuals that could shape future generations to come.

I know, too deep for muscles lol
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It's true though, I'm just a grumpy old man now though so wtf do it know
 
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Above is all true, I get it. However, I feel, if I can post what I can do it may give someone inspiration. Once Hormones are added in results would be accelerated, greatly.

With that said, I'm not going to support ignorance. If someone is 6'0 and 170lbs and post to run 500mg test w Tren, I'm sorry but FUKC you. This whole Bostin Lyod age of hormone use is ignorant. There's even guys who compete on here that look pretty good still using waaaay too much gear. No one on here needs 1500mg of test or 700mg of Tren. I'm just calling a spade a spade.
Yeah, I get laughed at when I post about best physique results happen on low/moderate doses.

All the "I work with competitors" or "my competitor buddies" members disagree with my logic.
 
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Yeah, I get laughed at when I post about best physique results happen on low/moderate doses.

All the "I work with competitors" or "my competitor buddies" members disagree with my logic.
Well just need to stick together and keep posting as much info as possible to shift things. Go team! Hahaha but seriously. I'm going to try and frequent AM more
 
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Above is all true, I get it. However, I feel, if I can post what I can do it may give someone inspiration. Once Hormones are added in results would be accelerated, greatly.

With that said, I'm not going to support ignorance. If someone is 6'0 and 170lbs and post to run 500mg test w Tren, I'm sorry but FUKC you. This whole Bostin Lyod age of hormone use is ignorant. There's even guys who compete on here that look pretty good still using waaaay too much gear. No one on here needs 1500mg of test or 700mg of Tren. I'm just calling a spade a spade.
I agree 200% with this... I don't look like I once did for my own reasons, but I agree some doses are ridiculous and the length of use is out of hand on some as well. I've told friends locally here run orals once a year a healthy liver burns fat faster, you don't want to use to the point that your insides are beat to hell and you regress. I usually get a response of some IG model or Rich Piana would disagree completely with you. In my head I think we'll have fun killing the only set of organs you got, but any other questions please come ask me cause I'd still rather not see one of my local friends die from stupidity but stupidity is a big killer...
 
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I would say the majority of the people in this arena will one day end up letting it all go. 40-something, they never figured out how to make it work. The cycles didn't do magic. And they'll blame their genetics (if they even give that any credit), blame the gear, blame the supplements, and probably just give up the life and move on. Hopefully not having damaged their health and hormones too bad. Because results keep people doing things. It's probably 10% or less of us who will be lifers in this game, because we had the basics and priorities figured out early on.
Isn't that normal though? I have been lifting since I was 18, up to until a few years ago, so over 20 years. I ended up looking elsewhere because I was no longer progressing as I likely hit my genetic maximum, although I keep coming back. Then I found out what was missing for me to look like the guys in muscle magazine and now I'm back with a renewed vigor.
I have people ask me how can I look so great for my age and I tell them I lift and they get all excited. But when I tell them I've lifted for over 20 years, they get disappointed and walk away.

The big difference is that the people who are just out to look good, will eventually drop off. People like you Dma378, Distilled Water, Spaniard, we do it because we like the workout itself. For some people it's about the destination, they want to get to point X. Once they get there they are done. For others it's about the love for the journey. Reaching point X is not that exciting because as you got closer, your sight moved past it to the next leg of the journey.
 

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Agree with UncleSarm.

I agree that using hormones should only be done responsibly and if you know how to train and diet first. But imo, there's no set height and weight that someone has to be to "earn the right". Just because someone is 6ft 170 doesn't necessarily mean he doesn't know what he's doing. What if he was 130 when he started lifting and gained 40 lbs naturally?

I think it's anyone's prerogative to use when they want to. But I agree that if they don't know what they're doing then there's no point..
 

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So what exactly is pretty much natty? You either are or you aren't. I've seen so many people lie about this it blows my mind. "Oh I'm natural except for clomid." Ok not natural. "I'm natural except for Clen" ok not natural. If you just got off of a clomid or nolva PCT it will take some serious time off before you can truly claim natural. Reading your other posts it says you're on 300 mg of TRT which isn't a TRT dose that's much higher. There's no such thing as pretty much natty you either are you aren't so are you on TRT? What exactly are you using? Because TRT would make a dramatic difference in how you look
 
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So what exactly is pretty much natty? You either are or you aren't. I've seen so many people lie about this it blows my mind. "Oh I'm natural except for clomid." Ok not natural. "I'm natural except for Clen" ok not natural. If you just got off of a clomid or nolva PCT it will take some serious time off before you can truly claim natural. Reading your other posts it says you're on 300 mg of TRT which isn't a TRT dose that's much higher. There's no such thing as pretty much natty you either are you aren't so are you on TRT? What exactly are you using? Because TRT would make a dramatic difference in how you look
What is natty? We agree AAS, PH/DS and SARMs is not natty. Is vitamin D natty? Vitamin D is actually a hormone. Is MK-677 natty? MK-677 is not hormonal.
 

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Mk 677 is not natural lol and you better believe nolvadex isn't natural. Not going to debate this. We all know what ****ing natural is but people like to blur the lines for vanity purposes. Exiting thread.
 
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So what exactly is pretty much natty? You either are or you aren't. I've seen so many people lie about this it blows my mind. "Oh I'm natural except for clomid." Ok not natural. "I'm natural except for Clen" ok not natural. If you just got off of a clomid or nolva PCT it will take some serious time off before you can truly claim natural. Reading your other posts it says you're on 300 mg of TRT which isn't a TRT dose that's much higher. There's no such thing as pretty much natty you either are you aren't so are you on TRT? What exactly are you using? Because TRT would make a dramatic difference in how you look
If you read the 1st post it said off injectables since December. Cycling nolvadex and clen have been the main stays with 10mg winstrol.
 

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You look great man.. Couldn't agree more though, way to many opinions on cycling around here that are just mind boggling.

Of the 6 steroid only forums I frequent, 2 being private.. everything is pretty consistent in terms of dosages, cycles, pct, hormones etc. nothing is shocking.. On this forum, everything is completely different, which truly scares me.
 

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100mg Hex + 100mg Cjc No Dac 2x daily & 500mg Ipam + 100mcg Cjc No Dac pre-bed is where its at!! Throw 50mcg of igf subq pre bed also.. amazing.
 
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Plain and simple your not natural.. Idk what your trying to prove by this post but you failed
 
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Bro takes a pic of himself flexing posts it and is like " idk why you bros do steroids when there's no way in hell you should" "this is me without shooting test for 8 weeks!!" ... Idk where your logic in all of this is. Your not a hair over 5'10 and you weigh as much as my left quad .. Instead of putting everyone else down why don't you encourage them.. Nobody wants to see a skinny 175lber flexing
 
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Now if you were 220 I would be impressed at that physique but.. Your only a little heavier than my 8 year old Rottweiler
 
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Bro takes a pic of himself flexing posts it and is like " idk why you bros do steroids when there's no way in hell you should" "this is me without shooting test for 8 weeks!!" ... Idk where your logic in all of this is. Your not a hair over 5'10 and you weigh as much as my left quad .. Instead of putting everyone else down why don't you encourage them.. Nobody wants to see a skinny 175lber flexing
You're math skills are strong....5 months is a little.more than 8 weeks and I'm 5'8 so again, nice try. Again 10-20mg winstrol? Ok bro, you're big and bad all hail neglia, you clearly have it right. Speaking of quads, I have my clout in my feathered, 26" ,tear drop quad than you have in your entire frame, so thank you
 
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First you said deca now u say winstrol.. I'm 6'4" 258 and I would dwarf your little ass
 
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If I had your frame I would quit body building and go work with fork lifts
 
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Bottom line your not natural what the hell r u trying to prove by taking a pic and saying others shouldn't take steroids but I'm 8 weeks out of a deca cycle your simple as hell
 
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I agree 200% with this... I don't look like I once did for my own reasons, but I agree some doses are ridiculous and the length of use is out of hand on some as well. I've told friends locally here run orals once a year a healthy liver burns fat faster, you don't want to use to the point that your insides are beat to hell and you regress. I usually get a response of some IG model or Rich Piana would disagree completely with you. In my head I think we'll have fun killing the only set of organs you got, but any other questions please come ask me cause I'd still rather not see one of my local friends die from stupidity but stupidity is a big killer...
No one should listen to the cycles Rich runs, no one
 
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So what exactly is pretty much natty? You either are or you aren't. I've seen so many people lie about this it blows my mind. "Oh I'm natural except for clomid." Ok not natural. "I'm natural except for Clen" ok not natural. If you just got off of a clomid or nolva PCT it will take some serious time off before you can truly claim natural. Reading your other posts it says you're on 300 mg of TRT which isn't a TRT dose that's much higher. There's no such thing as pretty much natty you either are you aren't so are you on TRT? What exactly are you using? Because TRT would make a dramatic difference in how you look
Natty is natty. No illegal compounds or gray area products including DHEA AAS precursors.

TRT isn't designed to raise levels higher than supraphysiological levels, that's the defining line in regards to natty or not. Levels are supposed to kept within endogenous test levels
 
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Plenty of people have reached your level with no drug use. But you've been "semi-natty" for 8 weeks saying that others who aren't at your level don't have the right to use gear?

Not saying you don't look good and it's still a lot of work with or without drugs.. But it's anybody's prerogative to use if they want to just like it's your choice.

I agree that it's pointless to use if you don't know how to train and eat though.

But take me for instance.. my stats before lifting were 6'3 150 and I got to 205 naturally. I'm willing to bet that people like you would say that someone who is only 205 for being 6'3 and not super lean (was 12-13%) isint big enough to have "earned the right" to use. But to that I'd say b.s. due to the fact that I gained 55 pounds naturally. So I must know how to train and eat.

Just using myself as an example of how you can't always just look at somebody's current stats and assume they don't know what they're doing..
 

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Natty is natty. No illegal compounds or gray area products including DHEA AAS precursors.

TRT isn't designed to raise levels higher than supraphysiological levels, that's the defining line in regards to natty or not. Levels are supposed to kept within endogenous test levels
300mg trt would bring you way above normal test levels. Even 200 would..
 

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