I wouldn't be so sure about that. I talked with Chuck Rudolph the other day, the main science guy at scivation. That dude ended up talking to one of the ORIGINAL people that did the studies on ecdy in russia. They took ecdy a lot more serious than most. When my ex was dieting for Team U, he put her on ecdy powder (he was doing all her diet, he is fvcking amazing in that area btw) and when dosed right, it made a difference for sure. She won the overall and got her pro card.