The New Product Release Thread

1Fast400 said:
Never. Too big to risk and one day I will want to sell the company. Can't sell a company making those
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isnt this whole industry a big risk? if you abide by the rules, it shouldnt matter what you are selling. In the end, the prospective buyer only cares about one thing; profit. We have seen it before, a company offers a great product is then sold and everything goes down hill. New buyers come in with a cheaper source and the product is down graded.
 
Rocket3015 said:
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Get Diesels new No artificial Flavoring or Color BCAA Strawberry Kiwi Flavor
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I would like to get in on this BCAA blend without the nasty sweeteners and flavors. They're starting to make my stomach angry during workout. Are there any deals/codes for us AM brothers?
 
saywutrly said:
I would like to get in on this BCAA blend without the nasty sweeteners and flavors. They're starting to make my stomach angry during workout. Are there any deals/codes for us AM brothers?
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Rocket3015

he has a code in his name

been using this almost since i joined here and havnt looked back. love the taste and ingredients work
 
saywutrly said:
E****lent. That's exactly what I like to hear. Thank you for the tip on the code, sir!
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anytime bro- been using the cherry lime- honestly, i bought it for the ingredients, not the flavor. i wasn't sure how it was going to taste. open the lid and smells like cake batter. i used a little more water and i was surprised. taste was actually better than i expected. it has grown on me, not something that i had to force chug down. if the taste is a little to tart, little more water. want more, less. i normally switch proteins because, well you get bored of it.
this is one sup that i have no plans on changing.

believe you will like it bro
 
smith_69 said:
isnt this whole industry a big risk? if you abide by the rules, it shouldnt matter what you are selling. In the end, the prospective buyer only cares about one thing; profit. We have seen it before, a company offers a great product is then sold and everything goes down hill. New buyers come in with a cheaper source and the product is down graded.
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People who write 8-9 figure checks don't like liability. That's why a few big guys can't sell their company right now. They get 300 AER's a month.
 
1Fast400 said:
People who write 8-9 figure checks don't like liability. That's why a few big guys can't sell their company right now. They get 300 AER's a month.
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i agree with your point, but i also believe and i hate to say this- not directed towards you or anyone directly- but as some issues have come up, those who have been questioned over adding addt ingredients to their supplements have paid a fine and are now right back in the game.

it appears that liability along with everything else, has its price. It is an absolute terrible thought, but this is the age we live in. It is good to know, that their are still those in this industry who do care and want to sell products based on a belief that they are providing a product; a healthy product that will benefit the consumer as well as the seller.
 
1Fast400 said:
Never. Too big to risk and one day I will want to sell the company. Can't sell a company making those
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1Fast400 said:
People who write 8-9 figure checks don't like liability. That's why a few big guys can't sell their company right now. They get 300 AER's a month.
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I'm not sure how NATURAL anabolics are a risk at all????? He wasn't talking about phs or DS but rather a natural plant based supplement that have an anabolic effect, such as -(-)epi, ecdy, laxo, anacyclus pyrethrum, etc, etc
 
1Fast400 said:
Diesel forgot to disclose the calories in his sweeteners. Mentioned it before but post got deleted.
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maybe there was a reason, I doubt it was in a dishonest.l for arguments sake and to keep this thread nice and friendly debate that directly with him
 
Honest mistakes means, I don't know what's in my formula. Same as everyone claiming fermented bcaa's when a majority of leucine recently dumped on market isn't. 95% of companies have zero clue where their raw materials come from. They buy from an American supplier who buys from whoever is cheapest that month.
 
smith_69 said:
anytime bro- been using the cherry lime- honestly, i bought it for the ingredients, not the flavor. i wasn't sure how it was going to taste. open the lid and smells like cake batter. i used a little more water and i was surprised. taste was actually better than i expected. it has grown on me, not something that i had to force chug down. if the taste is a little to tart, little more water. want more, less. i normally switch proteins because, well you get bored of it.
this is one sup that i have no plans on changing.

believe you will like it bro
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Awesome. I'll post a review in the supps forum once I get some.
 
No offense guys, been doing this a long time, 16 years. You build a company to do 1 of 2 things. You take it to transaction and sell the company outright or you pull profits for yourself, can't do both. You get paid as a multiple of your ebitda, keeping profits in is important. I've helped people go to transaction, I almost sold in 2012 and I advise certain equity groups on transactions in this space. There are certain categories large buyer don't want to be in. I had a potential buyer back out because they said they had concerns the fda would pull our product off market. Meaning all bcaa. It's called the airborne effect. A 9 figure transaction lost weeks after the deal due to structure function claims. Killed the brand and the investor. Premiums are paid for low litigious categories with strong performance indicators.
 
rtmilburn said:
I'm not sure how NATURAL anabolics are a risk at all????? He wasn't talking about phs or DS but rather a natural plant based supplement that have an anabolic effect, such as -(-)epi, ecdy, laxo, anacyclus pyrethrum, etc, etc
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That is what I really meant :) natty anabolics are natural anabolics
 
Enough of the bickering. Thank you.
 
1Fast400 said:
The next flavor is one we haven't done in powder. It will be out in rtd form in a month, at non sports nutrition retailers. We have 2 other products we will release by end of year, at least. Lots going on. I'm still out of the country till a week from Monday.
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have not done in powder huh?
Blue Raz, Green Apple, Orange, Grape, Watermelon, Fruit Punch, Mango, Black Cherry, Pineapple, Pine Lemonade, Strawberry Kiwi

If i had to guess:
Iced Tea, Raspberry Lemonade, White Cherry

Speaking of new Flavors
Mission 1 going to be adding a new flavor in May
Maybe a Chocolate Mint, or White Raspberry?

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I need some Xanix to go with my flexeril ;)

Much like Intracell7, BIOS3 Xanix is going to be a little more than your traditional nighttime product. Firstly, as mentioned it does incorporate anxiety support, not something every sleep formula includes. Jerry Ward himself has also said Xanix has been designed to help recover “the CNS which takes the biggest beating when stress and anxiety is hitting.” It does this by taking a multi prong approach, which is apparently something that hasn’t been done before.
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When it comes to Intracell7 ( from a previous convo ) I was bit sad to see it using so little HBCD per serving :( primarily because it's only 20 servings per tub making it fairly pricey as I would be using 3 servings at a time.
 
Rocket3015 said:
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Get Diesels new No artificial Flavoring or Color BCAA Strawberry Kiwi Flavor
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DIESELADE has been added as a staple to my morning, fasted workouts. Tastes great with 1 scoop in 40 oz water.

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Rob1882 said:
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I need some Xanix to go with my flexeril ;)




When it comes to Intracell7 ( from a previous convo ) I was bit sad to see it using so little HBCD per serving :( primarily because it's only 20 servings per tub making it fairly pricey as I would be using 3 servings at a time.
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What's in it?
 
Rob1882 said:
I was bit sad to see it using so little HBCD per serving :( primarily because it's only 20 servings per tub...
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Remember when Ice Cream used to be an *actual* 1/2 Gallon? Who decided that 'month supplies' were no longer 30 servings? Let me guess: "Well, nobody lifts weights 7 days a week, so you do get a month..."
 
The_Old_Guy said:
Remember when Ice Cream used to be an *actual* 1/2 Gallon? Who decided that 'month supplies' were no longer 30 servings? Let me guess: "Well, nobody lifts weights 7 days a week, so you do get a month..."
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primeval labs. making supplements for modern man with the intelligence of primeval man.

new slogan.
 
The_Old_Guy said:
Remember when Ice Cream used to be an *actual* 1/2 Gallon? Who decided that 'month supplies' were no longer 30 servings? Let me guess: "Well, nobody lifts weights 7 days a week, so you do get a month..."
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Dunno :| but I was really hoping it would be at least 25-30g HBCD per serving seems really stupid to make it 20 servings most guys using HBCD are using 60-90g his tub is like a week supply at a fairly high cost was just a bit disappointed.

Other than that it looks alright just not better than alternatives for the cost I would like him to explain why this move? I mean in his video he said Glycerol was expensive... since when?
 
That dieselade looks pretty good I've been wanting to try some intraworkout BCAAs for a while cause I've heard they tastes so good but the 2 pres I'm currently using already have BCAAs in them
 
Rob1882 said:
I mean in his video he said Glycerol was expensive... since when?
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100g of Glycerol Monostearate Powder is $5 retail. All I can tell you is I would consider not watching that guy if you are looking for factual info on supplements. He may be a whiz as a coach, but he is uneducated shill city when it comes to pills and powders, IMO.
 
The_Old_Guy said:
100g of Glycerol Monostearate Powder is $5 retail. All I can tell you is I would consider not watching that guy if you are looking for factual info on supplements. He may be a whiz as a coach, but he is uneducated shill city when it comes to pills and powders, IMO.
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I doubt he follows much in the way of supplements at least in comparison to drugs so your prob absolutely right on that. I don't follow him so much as I was interested in which way they might go with it given their 1 Andro Max V2 and 4 Andro Max using the liposomal delivery on the heals of BSL's own version I was suspecting something more similar to Intra-MD for their Intra.

But ya I have some fairly large tubs of GMS I paid very little for them
 
raul87 said:
That dieselade looks pretty good I've been wanting to try some intraworkout BCAAs for a while cause I've heard they tastes so good but the 2 pres I'm currently using already have BCAAs in them
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It is a pretty good flavored product for no artificial colors or dyes. I will give them that. If you like Kiwi it is much stronger than the strawberry.
 
The_Old_Guy said:
Remember when Ice Cream used to be an *actual* 1/2 Gallon? Who decided that 'month supplies' were no longer 30 servings? Let me guess: "Well, nobody lifts weights 7 days a week, so you do get a month..."
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The shift from 30 to 20 servings in products has really been bothering me.
 
The_Old_Guy said:
Fu%k you slave, pay the money. Just wait until we drop to 15 servs for the same price. You'll still pay it, slave :D :D
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Haha, if it ever goes down to 15 serving tubs I'll do what I should've done a long time ago and go to real food and AAS only ;)
 
muscleupcrohn said:
I agree, but haven't there been 30 "serving" products where you need 2-3 "servings" to get even close to a decent profile for very long time now?
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I do my best not to buy those either, lol. Unless I REALLY like the effects that 2-3 servings gives me and I try not to use it more than a couple times a week.
 
Not sure how New this product is but I just tried it for the first time and thought it was very good. Just like eating a bar of Raw Cookie Dough, soft, chewy and taste just like cookie dough, this is a winner!!
 
Rocket3015 said:
Not sure how New this product is but I just tried it for the first time and thought it was very good. Just like eating a bar of Raw Cookie Dough, soft, chewy and taste just like cookie dough, this is a winner!!
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What product?
 
i loled when bios3 was talking about using it pre intra post, that it speeds up recovery intra set, and post workout... but using it just twice a day would make it a 10 workout tub... this guy lol...
 
Gwyndane said:
this, most 30 sev pres that inkow of are underdosed

however, i would also prefer to see 30 sev pres, well dosed ofc
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It's amazing how many people stick with a pre-workout because they think it's "cheap" ($1 per scoop or less) but have to take 2-3+ scoops every time, but they won't buy an "expensive" supplement that's ~$1.50-$2 for a FULL/effective serving. It's like the concept of math or how long the product lasts doesn't really even register for a lot of people; only the "oh, this is $25 for 30 scoops/servings, it's cheap," forgetting that that 30 serving tub is only going to last them 10-15 servings.

Now, of course, there are some good/effective supplements that may require more than 1 scoop per serving, but I'm talking more about the products where you need multiple scoops/servings to even come close to getting effective doses of the ingredients that are dirt cheap to produce.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
It's amazing how many people stick with a pre-workout because they think it's "cheap" ($1 per scoop or less) but have to take 2-3+ scoops every time, but they won't buy an "expensive" supplement that's ~$1.50-$2 for a FULL/effective serving. It's like the concept of math or how long the product lasts doesn't really even register for a lot of people; only the "oh, this is $25 for 30 scoops/servings, it's cheap," forgetting that that 30 serving tub is only going to last them 10-15 servings.

Now, of course, there are some good/effective supplements that may require more than 1 scoop per serving, but I'm talking more about the products where you need multiple scoops/servings to even come close to getting effective doses of the ingredients that are dirt cheap to produce.
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Yup that's what I try and explain to some people when they think that my preworkout is expensive
 
muscleupcrohn said:
It's amazing how many people stick with a pre-workout because they think it's "cheap" ($1 per scoop or less) but have to take 2-3+ scoops every time, but they won't buy an "expensive" supplement that's ~$1.50-$2 for a FULL/effective serving. It's like the concept of math or how long the product lasts doesn't really even register for a lot of people; only the "oh, this is $25 for 30 scoops/servings, it's cheap," forgetting that that 30 serving tub is only going to last them 10-15 servings.

Now, of course, there are some good/effective supplements that may require more than 1 scoop per serving, but I'm talking more about the products where you need multiple scoops/servings to even come close to getting effective doses of the ingredients that are dirt cheap to produce.
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Correct.
And not to mention those underdosed PWOs with 10-20 underdosed ingredients. Whats the point? Hey its just 30$ right ?
1.buy bulk and make own PWO
2.Buy a PWO containing rather less ingredients but full dosed!

My "PWO"
Solid dose of :
-Citrulline
-Betaine
-Beta Alanine
-Creatine

Pre/during/post:
1litre water with 50g HBCD,20g BCAA and 50g Peptopro

Cheaper than buying many of those underdosed and expensive PWOs
 
Gwyndane said:
i loled when bios3 was talking about using it pre intra post, that it speeds up recovery intra set, and post workout... but using it just twice a day would make it a 10 workout tub... this guy lol...
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Go listen to his "information" on LGD-4033 and, I kid you not, 'Carnidine' - known to the rest of us as GW501516 / Cardarine.
 
Danes said:
Correct.
And not to mention those underdosed PWOs with 10-20 underdosed ingredients. Whats the point? Hey its just 30$ right ?
1.buy bulk and make own PWO
2.Buy a PWO containing rather less ingredients but full dosed!
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Haha, there's a PLETHORA of pre-workouts on the market that are anywhere from a few to a f**k-ton of random ingredients that are either useless (arginine) or terribly under-dosed (a few hundred mgs of citrulline or beetroot), and then a few dirt-cheap ingredients that you'll "feel" (caffeine and beta alanine being the obvious two). In fact, I'm willing to bet that if you replaced many of these supplments with 1.6-3.2g beta alanine and 200-400mg caffeine and some flavoring, most people wouldn't be able to tell the difference, since those are the only ingredients that are doing anything anyway. Plus, they'd save a ton of money that way; beta alanine and caffeine tabs (assuming people don't want to have to use a scale with caffeine powder) are dirt cheap, and don't even really need flavoring. Maybe throw in some niacin so they really "feel" it (although I did find the warm niacin flush to be useful when I was working out in a very cold gym, haha). I'm pretty white, but if I take enough I look like I got a bad sunburn. Instant tan.
 
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