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I never said water wasn't the same ph as our bodies...but when mixed with something like Isotonix VITAMINS, it's better absorbed by the body than a pill or tablet, since it doesn't need to be broken down into an isotonic state like everything else we put into our bodies. Do YOUR research. I'm not here to argue with anyone. If you don't like a product fine, that's your right, but don't be a jerk.
 
I never said water wasn't the same ph as our bodies...but when mixed with something like Isotonix VITAMINS, it's better absorbed by the body than a pill or tablet, since it doesn't need to be broken down into an isotonic state like everything else we put into our bodies. Do YOUR research. I'm not here to argue with anyone. If you don't like a product fine, that's your right, but don't be a jerk.
My issue is you are using the word isotonic completely wrong.
 
Isotonic: denoting or relating to a solution having the same osmotic pressure as some other solution, especially one in a cell or a body fluid.
 
Isotonic: denoting or relating to a solution having the same osmotic pressure as some other solution, especially one in a cell or a body fluid.
I already have given you the definition. I know what the word means. You are using it wrong. You said the solution has the same pH as blood tears etc. but an isotonic solution has nothing to do with pH.

Isotonic has to with the concentration of solutes(molecules which attract water think salts and sugar.) in two different solutions. So you are telling me that the solutions you use, with the amount of water that you use, has the same amount of solutes to water found inside the body??? That literally is impossible, the amount of liquid needed to create such a solution would be a lot IF the product was properly dosed.

Then there is the issue that you say something has to be in an isotonic state to enter the small intestine. That is just false completely false.

So I ask you please don't use words you don't know what they mean
 
Isotonic (‘iso’ means ‘the same’ and ‘tonic’ means ‘pressure’). When isotonic is used to describe solutions for human consumption, it means having the same fluid pressure as body fluids. Tears, blood plasma, lymph and other body fluids are all isotonic. Everything we eat and drink must be made isotonic before passing to the small intestine so the body can absorb it.
The fluid pressure of isotonic solutions across semi-permeable membranes, such as the walls of the small intestine, is generally referred to as having a particular osmolarity or tonicity. For the purposes of this discussion, osmolarity is measured in units referred to as milliosmoles/kilogram (mOs/kg). It can be said that when solutions on opposite sides of a membrane have the same osmolarity, they are iso-osmotic or iso-tonic. Normal human blood serum (the fluid portion without cells and platelets) has an osmolarity of 288 mOs/kg, as do most other fluids in the body. Therefore, in physiologic terms when a food solution’s osmolarity is the same, or nearly the same, as that of normal human blood serum, it is referred to as isotonic.
To obtain this state, when we ingest food, drink a beverage, or ingest most nutritional supplements, the stomach must secrete diluting juices, enzymes, hydrochloric acid, and at least one vitamin-binding protein to continue the process of digestion. Muscular contractions of the stomach mix the contents until a reasonably uniform solution is achieved. This action is a relatively time consuming process – about 40 minutes to 4 hours depending on the size of the meal. Once isotonic, the solutions of food (or chyme) can then enter the small intestine for absorption.
 
Isotonic (‘iso’ means ‘the same’ and ‘tonic’ means ‘pressure’). When isotonic is used to describe solutions for human consumption, it means having the same fluid pressure as body fluids. Tears, blood plasma, lymph and other body fluids are all isotonic. Everything we eat and drink must be made isotonic before passing to the small intestine so the body can absorb it.
The fluid pressure of isotonic solutions across semi-permeable membranes, such as the walls of the small intestine, is generally referred to as having a particular osmolarity or tonicity. For the purposes of this discussion, osmolarity is measured in units referred to as milliosmoles/kilogram (mOs/kg). It can be said that when solutions on opposite sides of a membrane have the same osmolarity, they are iso-osmotic or iso-tonic. Normal human blood serum (the fluid portion without cells and platelets) has an osmolarity of 288 mOs/kg, as do most other fluids in the body. Therefore, in physiologic terms when a food solution’s osmolarity is the same, or nearly the same, as that of normal human blood serum, it is referred to as isotonic.
To obtain this state, when we ingest food, drink a beverage, or ingest most nutritional supplements, the stomach must secrete diluting juices, enzymes, hydrochloric acid, and at least one vitamin-binding protein to continue the process of digestion. Muscular contractions of the stomach mix the contents until a reasonably uniform solution is achieved. This action is a relatively time consuming process – about 40 minutes to 4 hours depending on the size of the meal. Once isotonic, the solutions of food (or chyme) can then enter the small intestine for absorption.
Ugh alright Google warrior. You don't clearly understand this concept at all. Everything you said wasnt wrong per say other than the having to be in isotonic State to enter the small intestine. That is false!!!!!!!! Not to mention by adding something to the stomach changes the number of solutes to water changing osmotic pressure of the solution. Meaning that it doesn't matter the whether or not what you consume is in an isotonic State or not, it won't be by the time it hit stomach. Changing literally nothing.
 
Isotonic (‘iso’ means ‘the same’ and ‘tonic’ means ‘pressure’). When isotonic is used to describe solutions for human consumption, it means having the same fluid pressure as body fluids. Tears, blood plasma, lymph and other body fluids are all isotonic. Everything we eat and drink must be made isotonic before passing to the small intestine so the body can absorb it.
The fluid pressure of isotonic solutions across semi-permeable membranes, such as the walls of the small intestine, is generally referred to as having a particular osmolarity or tonicity. For the purposes of this discussion, osmolarity is measured in units referred to as milliosmoles/kilogram (mOs/kg). It can be said that when solutions on opposite sides of a membrane have the same osmolarity, they are iso-osmotic or iso-tonic. Normal human blood serum (the fluid portion without cells and platelets) has an osmolarity of 288 mOs/kg, as do most other fluids in the body. Therefore, in physiologic terms when a food solution’s osmolarity is the same, or nearly the same, as that of normal human blood serum, it is referred to as isotonic.
To obtain this state, when we ingest food, drink a beverage, or ingest most nutritional supplements, the stomach must secrete diluting juices, enzymes, hydrochloric acid, and at least one vitamin-binding protein to continue the process of digestion. Muscular contractions of the stomach mix the contents until a reasonably uniform solution is achieved. This action is a relatively time consuming process – about 40 minutes to 4 hours depending on the size of the meal. Once isotonic, the solutions of food (or chyme) can then enter the small intestine for absorption.
Does this concept have anything to do with the rate of osmosis when I ejaculate and a wad of semen accidentally gets propelled into my eyeball?
 
Lol, thank you for pointing out how ridiculous this argument is. I deleted my original post...I guess some people can't just let things go.
 
Lol, thank you for pointing out how ridiculous this argument is. I deleted my original post...I guess some people can't just let things go.

The point is people spend their hard earned money on products they expect to work. Companies price products based on Research & Development, and Quality. When a supplement company puts out a product with ingredients amounts that are clearly too little to have the advertised effect and boasts about an unproven delivery system, it comes across as sketchy.

I read the only isotonic study I could find "proprietary isotonic bioflavonoid formula OPC-3" and it was skimpy on information. As far as I'm concerned the bioflavanoids were the key and the results had nothing to do with isotonics. A real study would have a 3rd control group with the same "proprietary" amounts but non-isotonic bioflavanoids. Then we would have proven or disproven if there was any substance to the isotonic claims. So I call it what it is. Unsupported claims at best. Or just bull sh*t.

Now to what got me started on you. Read pubmed/12851125 study on treatment for E.D.
80 and 120mg daily pycnogenol doses were used used to improve erections by 80 and 92.5% respectively. Where did your 25% come from?
In my experience depending on the severity of E.D. and the cause 300-400mg may be necessary.

All these wonderful claims made by your product needs to be backed by science and clinical trials. Otherwise call it what it is.
 
i personally will never again buy a test booster that includes KSM 66. Makes me lethargic and drowsy. The opposite of what im looking for. Supp companies can act herdlike. Give it a few months KSM 66 will be out of favour
 
i personally will never again buy a test booster that includes KSM 66. Makes me lethargic and drowsy. The opposite of what im looking for. Supp companies can act herdlike. Give it a few months KSM 66 will be out of favour
I doubt that KSM will “be out of favor.” It has so many promising studies for so many uses/benefits. Not everyone reacts well to every ingredient though, as unfortunate as that is. Some people prefer KSM, some Sensoril, some no ashwagandha; don’t think that your negative experience means KSM is a bad ingredient with no place in products. Some people don’t react well to LJ100/TA, does that mean it should not be in products?
 
i personally will never again buy a test booster that includes KSM 66. Makes me lethargic and drowsy. The opposite of what im looking for. Supp companies can act herdlike. Give it a few months KSM 66 will be out of favour

Definitely my experience Ultimate T and it's nap time belongs in a sleep formula imo.
 
I doubt that KSM will “be out of favor.” It has so many promising studies for so many uses/benefits. Not everyone reacts well to every ingredient though, as unfortunate as that is. Some people prefer KSM, some Sensoril, some no ashwagandha; don’t think that your negative experience means KSM is a bad ingredient with no place in products. Some people don’t react well to LJ100/TA, does that mean it should not be in products?

It should not be in a t booster. it has several benefits, but not as a legit t boosting ingredient. i have it as a standalone and i take it as and when required based on its most effective properties. Including ash in t-boosters is a fad and represents a kitchen sink approach which in turn lends itself to spurious marketing claims. i'm sure it'll be dropped in most new formulations. Remember Arimistane??? In any case 'T boosters' are phony as far as I'm concerned and based on the repeated bloodwork ive had.
 
Along with the mucuna...the worst thing for me is the lethargy in the morning . Even 2 black cups of coffee dont help much!
 
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