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the napalm detroit barbell experience...

jimbuick said:
You think so? How many times have you seen WSM under 105kg on TV?
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i'm guessing never?

jesus, the lb for lb remark wasn't even the main part of the dig at my training partner.

it was just word filler to tell him an old guy was right on his heels.

on a separate note, even though i'm 30/41 on my picks, my bracket is in the top 3%: 216,546th out of like 8.5 million people that entered. top 20 brackets still get 100K, but i'm prolly mathematically out of that.

after friday i was in like 1 millionth place, woke up today a lot higher!
 
napalm said:
i'm guessing never?

jesus, the lb for lb remark wasn't even the main part of the dig at my training partner.

it was just word filler to tell him an old guy was right on his heels.

on a separate note, even though i'm 30/41 on my picks, my bracket is in the top 3%: 216,546th out of like 8.5 million people that entered. top 20 brackets still get 100K, but i'm prolly mathematically out of that.

after friday i was in like 1 millionth place, woke up today a lot higher!
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My initial comment was towards ace's remarks.
 
Absolute strength is GOAT...BUTTT I do think there is something to LB for LB. Otherwise what is even the point if weight classes?
 
rob112 said:
Absolute strength is GOAT...BUTTT I do think there is something to LB for LB. Otherwise what is even the point if weight classes?
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I agree. Look at Richard Hawthorne..

Also, taking LB for LB into consideration is one of the reasons Coan is the greatest PL'er ever, right?
 
Also I'm not saying that lb for lb isn't great, but I get tired of seeing people go "oh you squat 600 pounds raw? That's cool but I'm stronger lb for lb with my 400 pound squat"


GTFO.
 
jimbuick said:
Also I'm not saying that lb for lb isn't great, but I get tired of seeing people go "oh you squat 600 pounds raw? That's cool but I'm stronger lb for lb with my 400 pound squat"

GTFO.
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I'm not arguing absolute strength but anyone can get sloppy fat and push up their totals.. It's not that impressive.

What's more impressive, a 480lb squat at 180, or a 500lb squat at 250?

I'm not asking who's stronger, I'm asking what's more impressive ?

The answer should be glaringly obvious.

And yeah, I'm small, I'm 190 10% you can call me small all you want, I'm not walking around lats flared saying I'm huge.
 
Regardless of weight class just being able to squat your weight is a feat in its self considering the general public can't even squat 100 lbs, I believe it's all impressive
 
What's more impressive? The guy that squats 500 pounds.


I don't know about you guys, but I don't want there to be a disclaimer when people talk about how strong I am. I felt this way when I weighed 140 in high school and squatted 315, people kept saying "dang, you are strong for your size" I don't care if you are 200# or 300#, if you are strong there won't be a disclaimer. Sure it's great if you weigh 210 and and squat 550, but if someone else weighs 285 and squats 600 he is stronger than you. It isn't debatable.

And, from what I've seen, people that throw lb for lb around, are guys that aren't just outright strong. They are guys that are strong for their size. And by saying that it helps them justify why they aren't as strong as another guy, "well, I'm almost as strong as him lb for lb". Who cares, he's still stronger. Just like when people see someone who is big and strong and go, "well I could be there too if I took steroids like he does." Great, then take the steroids, gain the weight. If you really wanted to be strong you wouldn't justify why you aren't where someone else is, you would do what you had to do to get where you want to be.

And, in my sport specifically, if I weigh 320 and a guy that weighs 275 only presses 10# less than I do in at a competition; I win. It doesn't matter that I outweigh him by ~50 pounds, it only matters that I moved more weight. /rant
 
How about this little scenario. Two guys are 850lb pullers, one is in the 220 class and one is in the SHW; would you feel one is more impressive than the other?

Just playing devils advocate here.
 
rob112 said:
How about this little scenario. Two guys are 850lb pullers, one is in the 220 class and one is in the SHW; would you feel one is more impressive than the other?

Just playing devils advocate here.
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Not really.

Sure, it's a little cooler to pull the same weight when you're lighter bw.

But if you move the same weight then you're not stronger, even if the other person outweighs you.
 
jimbuick said:
Not really.

Sure, it's a little cooler to pull the same weight when you're lighter bw.

But if you move the same weight then you're not stronger, even if the other person outweighs you.
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Well of course not stronger my friend. I just was curious about if you would be inclined to find it more impressive. Carry on you beardless sum bish :D
 
jimbuick said:
What's more impressive? The guy that squats 500 pounds.

I don't know about you guys, but I don't want there to be a disclaimer when people talk about how strong I am. I felt this way when I weighed 140 in high school and squatted 315, people kept saying "dang, you are strong for your size" I don't care if you are 200# or 300#, if you are strong there won't be a disclaimer. Sure it's great if you weigh 210 and and squat 550, but if someone else weighs 285 and squats 600 he is stronger than you. It isn't debatable.

And, from what I've seen, people that throw lb for lb around, are guys that aren't just outright strong. They are guys that are strong for their size. And by saying that it helps them justify why they aren't as strong as another guy, "well, I'm almost as strong as him lb for lb". Who cares, he's still stronger. Just like when people see someone who is big and strong and go, "well I could be there too if I took steroids like he does." Great, then take the steroids, gain the weight. If you really wanted to be strong you wouldn't justify why you aren't where someone else is, you would do what you had to do to get where you want to be.

And, in my sport specifically, if I weigh 320 and a guy that weighs 275 only presses 10# less than I do in at a competition; I win. It doesn't matter that I outweigh him by ~50 pounds, it only matters that I moved more weight. /rant
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You're right about who's stronger.
But I'm sorry, your point about "gain the weight, take the steroids" is ****ing retarted.

Just because you or someone else is going to compromise the longevity of their life by taking steroids and getting sloppy fat (>25%) doesn't mean I will.

Sure you can argue you'll be bigger and stronger, but guess what? Not after you come off the drugs. You'll get weaker and smaller, and I'll still be progressing.

Sure you can argue steroids are harmless, but that's a crock of sh!t.
Take note how bodybuilders are dying younger and younger these days. They may have won the competition, but I'll win the game of life. They die when they're sixty, seventy, I won't until ninety.
(providing nothing bad happens )


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Don't take this as a personal attack, because it's not.I have nothing against you or anyone else on gear. The argument "then take the steroids" just really bothers me.
 
I see a guy moving more weight than normal for someone his size more impressive than someone who moves big eight numbers wise but is average for his body weight. You know one of the guys likely knows more about training and the game as a whole. We can take tips from guys who are smaller than us. If you're talking all out strength feats I agree with you Jim. But I think on for lb has its uses and merits and can be applied in some situations. Dan Greene and Brian shaw are never gona be in the same category both both are super strong. Dan Greene is probably stronger pound for pound but shaw is obviously more impressive just for super strength. But it is impressive that Dan is as strong as he is for his size. He can't get taller. He won't ever hit 350s (I don't think). Pound for pound isn't even a fair comparison though because its not linear as you gain weight neither etc or see variances in build. You know if you're strong or not and comparing to someone else is next to worthless I think. It's a good tool for comparing yourself and seeing how you need to progress but as far as bragging rights it's pointless. So I think I see your point, although I do recognize that there are times when we can use something like lb for lb comparisons.


rob112 said:
How about this little scenario. Two guys are 850lb pullers, one is in the 220 class and one is in the SHW; would you feel one is more impressive than the other?

Just playing devils advocate here.
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220 is definitely more impressive. Anyone doing more with less to work with is more impressive. This principle applies to anything in life.
 
aceroni said:
You're right about who's stronger.
But I'm sorry, your point about "gain the weight, take the steroids" is ****ing retarted.

Just because you or someone else is going to compromise the longevity of their life by taking steroids and getting sloppy fat (>25%) doesn't mean I will.

Sure you can argue you'll be bigger and stronger, but guess what? Not after you come off the drugs. You'll get weaker and smaller, and I'll still be progressing.

Sure you can argue steroids are harmless, but that's a crock of sh!t.
Take note how bodybuilders are dying younger and younger these days. They may have won the competition, but I'll win the game of life. They die when they're sixty, seventy, I won't until ninety.
(providing nothing bad happens )


Edit:
Don't take this as a personal attack, because it's not.I have nothing against you or anyone else on gear. The argument "then take the steroids" just really bothers me.
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Which is great. But don't make the excuse that you aren't where someone else is because they use gear (and I'm not saying this is something you do), you're a muscular guy, especially natty. Which, again, is great. It's your decision to do, or not do, certain things that others do. But, if you (or anyone else) run around and say, "that's cool, I could do that to if I used steroids" then stop making the excuse and take them. If you're using your natty status to justify not being where someone else is then you need (again, not specifically speaking about things you do) to STFU. My whole point with this is, that I see a lot of guys that are natty that don't take gear just so that they can use it to justify why they aren't where someone else is. They don't have the dedication or intensity to do what that other person does, and instead of admitting that, they just say "well, I could do that too if I took steroids." Or, "I could deadlift 850 pounds too if I weighed 300 pounds" GTFO


It's not in my life plan to live until I'm 90. In fact, if I live to be 60-70 years old I will be more than satisfied with how long I had on this Earth. My uncle is 75 years old, never used any drugs, and he is taking a bunch of Rx medications just to stay alive and deal with all of the pains he has to deal with to stay alive. Multiple surgeries, heart attacks, etc. And don't take that the wrong way, I love my uncle, and I would hate to see him gone, but I also hate to see him in as much pain as he is in everyday.


And again, this has to do with YOUR personal goals, not mine. If you wanted to be the strongest guy in any room you entered, you would gain more weight. But you are training to reach a physique goal, which is entirely different than the reason I train. So to me, a ripped 220 pulling 650 pounds is cool and all, but I would much rather be 310 and pulling 825.
 
And this all just ties into my opinion that most people don't want **** as bad as they want to say that they want ****.



If you really wanted something, you would do what you knew you had to do to get it. No matter what it was that was in the way. People just want to be able to tell others that they want to do something, because it's better than admitting that they don't want to change what they're doing at all. They want other people to believe they are doing something to better themselves, or to reach a goal, more than they actually want to reach the goal.
 
jimbuick said:
Which is great. But don't make the excuse that you aren't where someone else is because they use gear (and I'm not saying this is something you do), you're a muscular guy, especially natty. Which, again, is great. It's your decision to do, or not do, certain things that others do. But, if you (or anyone else) run around and say, "that's cool, I could do that to if I used steroids" then stop making the excuse and take them. If you're using your natty status to justify not being where someone else is then you need (again, not specifically speaking about things you do) to STFU. My whole point with this is, that I see a lot of guys that are natty that don't take gear just so that they can use it to justify why they aren't where someone else is. They don't have the dedication or intensity to do what that other person does, and instead of admitting that, they just say "well, I could do that too if I took steroids." Or, "I could deadlift 850 pounds too if I weighed 300 pounds" GTFO


It's not in my life plan to live until I'm 90. In fact, if I live to be 60-70 years old I will be more than satisfied with how long I had on this Earth. My uncle is 75 years old, never used any drugs, and he is taking a bunch of Rx medications just to stay alive and deal with all of the pains he has to deal with to stay alive. Multiple surgeries, heart attacks, etc. And don't take that the wrong way, I love my uncle, and I would hate to see him gone, but I also hate to see him in as much pain as he is in everyday.


And again, this has to do with YOUR personal goals, not mine. If you wanted to be the strongest guy in any room you entered, you would gain more weight. But you are training to reach a physique goal, which is entirely different than the reason I train. So to me, a ripped 220 pulling 650 pounds is cool and all, but I would much rather be 310 and pulling 825.
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Maybe a harsh delivery, but I am hard pressed to find anything untrue in what you said. Props
 
BTW who of the old guard of steroid-dosing bodybuilders died young? Nobody has. Even Frank Zane is still kicking after all the chemicals he put in his body. That Egyptian guy? Well, blame that on any combination of bad gear, insulin and HGH abuse, and highly questionable peptide use. That can probably be said about so many others.

Besides, there's a lot more going on besides steroid use that may contribute to the positive and negative things in a bodybuilder's life. What about diet variety? I'd say potentially very little, and that's very unhealthy. On the other hand, what about the periods of ultra-low calorie diets and super high protein? Well, maybe you are getting benefits like you do when fasting, or maybe you're suffering from hyperaminoacidemia. I don't know. What about recreational drug abuse, like nubain? That probably didn't help. High stress from worrying about your stats, your conditioning, your tan, placement, not passing out at 4% bf? And all those times you diet down to 4% bf? It's a complicated picture, and to attribute it all to steroids is, IMHO, buying into mainstream hype surrounding steroids.

But to be clear, I applaud your (aceroni) clarity when at least recognizing the potential and actual health complications surrounding steroid use, because at times it seems like they're portrayed as the elixir for eternal life on bodybuilding/powerlifting boards with no sides.
 
jimbuick said:
Which is great. But don't make the excuse that you aren't where someone else is because they use gear (and I'm not saying this is something you do), you're a muscular guy, especially natty. Which, again, is great. It's your decision to do, or not do, certain things that others do. But, if you (or anyone else) run around and say, "that's cool, I could do that to if I used steroids" then stop making the excuse and take them. If you're using your natty status to justify not being where someone else is then you need (again, not specifically speaking about things you do) to STFU. My whole point with this is, that I see a lot of guys that are natty that don't take gear just so that they can use it to justify why they aren't where someone else is. They don't have the dedication or intensity to do what that other person does, and instead of admitting that, they just say "well, I could do that too if I took steroids." Or, "I could deadlift 850 pounds too if I weighed 300 pounds" GTFO

It's not in my life plan to live until I'm 90. In fact, if I live to be 60-70 years old I will be more than satisfied with how long I had on this Earth. My uncle is 75 years old, never used any drugs, and he is taking a bunch of Rx medications just to stay alive and deal with all of the pains he has to deal with to stay alive. Multiple surgeries, heart attacks, etc. And don't take that the wrong way, I love my uncle, and I would hate to see him gone, but I also hate to see him in as much pain as he is in everyday.

And again, this has to do with YOUR personal goals, not mine. If you wanted to be the strongest guy in any room you entered, you would gain more weight. But you are training to reach a physique goal, which is entirely different than the reason I train. So to me, a ripped 220 pulling 650 pounds is cool and all, but I would much rather be 310 and pulling 825.
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You're 100% right. I agree.

The whole "I'd be there if I took juice" is a cop out.

Also the whole uncle in meds thing sucks. I'd feel exactly the same way.
 
Torobestia said:
BTW who of the old guard of steroid-dosing bodybuilders died young? Nobody has. Even Frank Zane is still kicking after all the chemicals he put in his body. That Egyptian guy? Well, blame that on any combination of bad gear, insulin and HGH abuse, and highly questionable peptide use. That can probably be said about so many others.

Besides, there's a lot more going on besides steroid use that may contribute to the positive and negative things in a bodybuilder's life. What about diet variety? I'd say potentially very little, and that's very unhealthy. On the other hand, what about the periods of ultra-low calorie diets and super high protein? Well, maybe you are getting benefits like you do when fasting, or maybe you're suffering from hyperaminoacidemia. I don't know. What about recreational drug abuse, like nubain? That probably didn't help. High stress from worrying about your stats, your conditioning, your tan, placement, not passing out at 4% bf? And all those times you diet down to 4% bf? It's a complicated picture, and to attribute it all to steroids is, IMHO, buying into mainstream hype surrounding steroids.

But to be clear, I applaud your (aceroni) clarity when at least recognizing the potential and actual health complications surrounding steroid use, because at times it seems like they're portrayed as the elixir for eternal life on bodybuilding/powerlifting boards with no sides.
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You're right.

I'm not saying low doses will kill you.
But now a days nobody is taking old school low doses. They didn't have hgh, slin, and all the other bull**** people abuse these days.
 
aceroni said:
You're right.

I'm not saying low doses will kill you.
But now a days nobody is taking old school low doses. They didn't have hgh, slin, and all the other bull**** people abuse these days.
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Bill Kazmaier still seems to be doing ok. (he's 60 now).


And he has said that he used to take grams (not gram) every week for years on end.


I'm not saying there aren't health risks to steroid use, but to act as if taking steroids is the worst thing you can do for your health is ridiculous. Arnold cruised on dbol, he seems to be doing ok.

Sure, some people might have health complications because of underlying genetic issues, but that's true about everything. Including weight training by itself.
 
jimbuick said:
Bill Kazmaier still seems to be doing ok. (he's 60 now).

And he has said that he used to take grams (not gram) every week for years on end.

I'm not saying there aren't health risks to steroid use, but to act as if taking steroids is the worst thing you can do for your health is ridiculous. Arnold cruised on dbol, he seems to be doing ok.

Sure, some people might have health complications because of underlying genetic issues, but that's true about everything. Including weight training by itself.
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I'm not saying they're the worst thing you can do- there's definitely worse things, but I also don't think Bill was using the other drugs these guys use today.
 
I agree with everything being said, but I still believe BW to lift ratio can be used to gauge impressiveness.

I guess impressive is relative. For you, Jim, it sounds like strength is the only contributing factor to denote a lift as impressive. I, personally, look at Jesse Norris' 800lb DL @200# BW as one of the most impressive strength feats ever. Just my .02, FWIW.

I agree though, people that make excuses about where they are relative to others is annoying AF. I was telling a guy about how I follow programs written by the strongest, most knowledgable people and his response: "yeah, but they're all on steroids, that's why their that strong." Ok, buddy, take a gram of test and everything else known to man and see if you could EVER achieve that level of strength.
 
A lot of times the body and strength you develop are worth than the drugs. Look at all the strongmen who have been dying young lately. Not a huge number but substantial.

I say gear if you wana gear, don't if you don't, but shut up about whose stronger and focus on yourself and becoming the best you that you can be. That's all you can really do. If that takes you to the top then congrats. You're smart, hardworking, and have great genetics.
 
CountryLiftin said:
A lot of times the body and strength you develop are worth than the drugs. Look at all the strongmen who have been dying young lately. Not a huge number but substantial.

I say gear if you wana gear, don't if you don't, but shut up about whose stronger and focus on yourself and becoming the best you that you can be. That's all you can really do. If that takes you to the top then congrats. You're smart, hardworking, and have great genetics.
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Ding ding ding. Right on the ****ing money here.
 
pull day

warmup
the usual

rack pulls, just below kneecap
135x10
225x8
275x8
315x5
365x5
405x5
455x3
475x1
495x1

pendlays
200x5x3

lat pulldowns
150x5x8

roll/mash everything again

thoughts
quick session, my daughter was cooking dinner and i had visions of the house burning down. trying to get more work in the 5ish rep range. everything felt fine today. all the icing i've done to the shoulder has helped. gym was pretty empty today, we have a few guys going to relentless and they were deloading.

not much other than that, oh, my kid drilled a girl in the face with her serve today in volleyball and they had to call an ambulance...
 
Maybe it comes with age, but I like how your updates always have a funny story lol

Nice pulling buddy
 
rob112 said:
Maybe it comes with age, but I like how your updates always have a funny story lol

Nice pulling buddy
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txs robbie, just another day in the life of napalm

the girl was playing the middle, my kid just launched one into her face, she fell backwards and hit the back of her head.

it was their best player!
 
napalm said:
and the 2001 version of leah remini was def wife material

<---watching king of queens...
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Remini is beautiful. Wife material for sure.

Napalm, would you recommend foam rolling a strained quad? I tweaked it on squats. Didn't know if foam rolling would aggravate any injured tissue.
 
throneof said:
Remini is beautiful. Wife material for sure.

Napalm, would you recommend foam rolling a strained quad? I tweaked it on squats. Didn't know if foam rolling would aggravate any injured tissue.
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yep, she's just how i like em: dark hair, loud and w an attitude!

how strained are we talking here, painful to touch? if so, alternate heat/cold for a day or two. and just massage it.

after that, i'd say feel free to go at it. for quads, i like to use the stick. a 3/4 inch, 2 ft long dowel would work too. roll the hell out of them.

i roll/mash my parts just about everyday, especially quads/hams/adductors/lower and upper back...
 
napalm said:
yep, she's just how i like em: dark hair, loud and w an attitude!

how strained are we talking here, painful to touch? if so, alternate heat/cold for a day or two. and just massage it.

after that, i'd say feel free to go at it. for quads, i like to use the stick. a 3/4 inch, 2 ft long dowel would work too. roll the hell out of them.

i roll/mash my parts just about everyday, especially quads/hams/adductors/lower and upper back...
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Not painful to the touch. No bruising today, though yesterday there was very light brusing, almost unseen. There is a dull ache along the inner quad. I can walk on it no prob, though there is a sense that I am favoring it. Thanks for the advice bro
 
bench, with CHAINS!

not much of a warmup today, was a little late

bar x 10
95x10
135x8

work
95 w 120 lbs of chains x 5
105 w chains x 5
115 w chains x 3
135 w chains x 3
145 w chains x 2...that was it, shoulder was cooked

vbar pushdowns
90x5x10

and then a funny thing happened: for some reason, it came up that there was a dude at the upa meet that was benching w a reverse grip.

that was all it took, tim (prolly our best bencher) wanted to try it. so we started w 95. it was really weird at first, but after the first couple reps we realized it's all triceps, no shoulder rotation at all. this got me interested, i threw 135 on there and tbh, it was easier on my shoulder. i don't know if i'm crazy or not yet, but i'm gonna start doing a few sets of these on bench day, every bench day. tim worked up to like 345 and was tossing it around like it was nothing. you do need a spotter, the grip is a little dicey, you don't want to eat the bar.

oh, and chains are wiggly...not sure if i like them or not...

fck, if i can do the same weight w a reverse grip and it's easier on the shoulders, why the fck not?

i will report back w results...
 
napalm said:
really, @Invalid Link Removed, school me on the reverse grip...
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Yeah man, I only do reverse-grip since tearing my RC around 5 months ago. Well, I did just reintroduce incline. But no flat, unless reverse-grip.

Fwiw, I don't need a spot unless going to exhaustion (but when you run out of gas, it's tough to grind a last rep out), but it's nice to get a lift off if you are using a standard bench, particularly if you have a bad shoulder. That way, you can start with bar high, and body forward enough so you don't crash into the bench.

One thing that is awkward at first is coming to accept that the bar is best placed diagonally across the palm, rather than straight, with thumbs out rather than wrapping bar. Also, bar path is different. You want to bring it to upper ribs, which I am sure this linked article will mention, and then push towards upper neck/face plane.

Not only does this movement force great scapular retraction, but it also really hits the upper part of the chest. I read a study showing that it stimulated the upper portion of pec major more than incline. And if you think about the physics, I believe it makes sense. It also may help your arch, as good form on this also forces a good arch, not to suggest you need work there. I never arched much before taking on this movement.

Hope that helps.

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jinxie said:
Yeah man, I only do reverse-grip since tearing my RC around 5 months ago. Well, I did just reintroduce incline. But no flat, unless reverse-grip.

Fwiw, I don't need a spot unless going to exhaustion (but when you run out of gas, it's tough to grind a last rep out), but it's nice to get a lift off if you are using a standard bench, particularly if you have a bad shoulder. That way, you can start with bar high, and body forward enough so you don't crash into the bench.

One thing that is awkward at first is coming to accept that the bar is best placed diagonally across the palm, rather than straight, with thumbs out rather than wrapping bar. Also, bar path is different. You want to bring it to upper ribs, which I am sure this linked article will mention, and then push towards upper neck/face plane.

Not only does this movement force great scapular retraction, but it also really hits the upper part of the chest. I read a study showing that it stimulated the upper portion of pec major more than incline. And if you think about the physics, I believe it makes sense. It also may help your arch, as good form on this also forces a good arch, not to suggest you need work there. I never arched much before taking on this movement.

Hope that helps.

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txs jinxie, yeah, the bar across the palm was the weirdest thing for me, the other guys didn't seem to have a problem w it. i've had 2 surgeries on my left wrist, so i don't have a lot of mobility that way - that i think i can improve though.

oh yeah, the bar was coming down low and that only helps me. if i can keep the weight on my triceps and lats i think i'll be golden.

the other thing was i think you have to be under the bar more, and the hand off is more towards the feet.

my arch sucks, i'm old. but i'm intrigued by the reverse grip, so were a couple other guys at dbb...
 
I notice that tons of people don't take the handoff where they should when benching. I like my handoffs to my sternum at least, just an inch or so before I'd lose it on my lap. Bring the bar straight down and then throw down on that bitch. That's the way it should be done.
 
herderdude said:
I notice that tons of people don't take the handoff where they should when benching. I like my handoffs to my sternum at least, just an inch or so before I'd lose it on my lap. Bring the bar straight down and then throw down on that bitch. That's the way it should be done.
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definitely, i like to receive the bar low, like over my belly. it's just less shoulder rotation for me. everyone at dbb is picky about who lifts off and spots them...for obv reasons.

so far, i only get to spot :(
 
Shiiiit, I wasn't even allowed to spot until my last day at The Compound.
 
oh yeah, i checked out dbb's facebook site (i'm confused, there's two of them i think), and there was a post, i think from jj that the upa meet dbb is putting on in june will get you into the arnold. i'll talk to jj about it next week, they're at relentless minnesota right now.

<---will be doing it, and as a bonus, i will crush the upa 50-54 raw total by 70 lbs...
 
napalm said:
txs jinxie, yeah, the bar across the palm was the weirdest thing for me, the other guys didn't seem to have a problem w it. i've had 2 surgeries on my left wrist, so i don't have a lot of mobility that way - that i think i can improve though.

oh yeah, the bar was coming down low and that only helps me. if i can keep the weight on my triceps and lats i think i'll be golden.

the other thing was i think you have to be under the bar more, and the hand off is more towards the feet.

my arch sucks, i'm old. but i'm intrigued by the reverse grip, so were a couple other guys at dbb...
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Agree re needing to be under the bar more. I can't get set up well for these with heavy weight without a lift off, partly because I am not comfortable reaching far back because of my torn RC (so yeah, no reach arounds either, lo). Without, I end up squirming down the bench and then trying to set my scap and arch while holding the weight. Hated.

FWIW, I've tried this movement on the Smith machine, and don't waste your time. It just doesn't work for many reasons, most obviously the bar path, but must notably grip positioning.
 
napalm said:
txs jinxie, yeah, the bar across the palm was the weirdest thing for me, the other guys didn't seem to have a problem w it. i've had 2 surgeries on my left wrist, so i don't have a lot of mobility that way - that i think i can improve though.

oh yeah, the bar was coming down low and that only helps me. if i can keep the weight on my triceps and lats i think i'll be golden.

the other thing was i think you have to be under the bar more, and the hand off is more towards the feet.

my arch sucks, i'm old. but i'm intrigued by the reverse grip, so were a couple other guys at dbb...
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Also, napalm when I said bar high, I meant high in the rack, not close to the neck. We're on the same page.

And on that note, it's about time to get high ... ;)
 
napalm said:
lol

<---4 beers deep watching michigan beat the vols...
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I am loathe to be so personal publicly, but my team already beat them and KY 3 times each! Perhaps we will meet for the big dance, though I want to wreak revenge on Pitino for 2 years back. It would be sweet, as most of these players were on that team, and Billy the Kid is Pitino's protege as well as his former player.

Check this out.
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"Do you even lift?" they say to one another.
 
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