pistonpump
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what is your main carb if you havent been eating rice? Teriyaki is okay occasionally but i get sick of it real quick.
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Royd The Noyd
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I do not like rice as a carb source b/c of its acidity....but thats just me being picky.
pistonpump
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what do you use then? oats are like cardboard and i cant picture eating a steak or any meat with it. bread is just bread. Im raised on rice and its as much a part of me as water lol.
Royd The Noyd
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I carb cycle quite a bit but when I am loading I usually use things like potatoes, and ezekial bread.
thundergod
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I use sweet potatoes and lots of broccoli and asparagus.
crazyfool405
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i dont necessarily think that.5mg ED will annihilate estrogen, you have excess in your body , use the arimidex to lower it and get it under contral and then continue it at.5 EOD.
ezekial bread is great for you, gotta put it in the fridge when you buy it tho because i dont believe there are any preservatives so keeping it in the fridge will allow it to last longer. but u also want to have about a gallon of water with you just to eat it because its sooo damn dry. lol
ezekial bread is great for you, gotta put it in the fridge when you buy it tho because i dont believe there are any preservatives so keeping it in the fridge will allow it to last longer. but u also want to have about a gallon of water with you just to eat it because its sooo damn dry. lol
pistonpump
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read up on it man.
tell your buddy to send some my way!
tell your buddy to send some my way!
TheeBC
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Haha, its expensive. They were about 29$ for the 2 bottles I have, then 20 for the others. If I get more..any buyers?
I can get my hands on a lot of regular stuff like that for free, basically if it comes in a bottle, he gets it for me.
I have 4 of these of these
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I can get my hands on a lot of regular stuff like that for free, basically if it comes in a bottle, he gets it for me.
I have 4 of these of these
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pistonpump
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let me know!
TheeBC
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i3c -
How I3C works
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Asian men who eat a traditional Asian diet have a much lower rate of prostate cancer than Americans.
I3C has several different actions that help prevent and stop prostate cancer. It's most well-known for its hormone-modulating effects. Studies show that I3C changes not only estrogen metabolism, but testosterone and androsterone as well. Its hormone-altering action may help protect against hormone mimickers such as the drugs implanted in food animals. It has been confirmed that whether a hormone is the real thing, a drug facsimilie or a chemical, I3C will neutralize it. Presumably this would also include supplements such as pregnenolone and DHEA which are converted in the body to hormones.
Another way I3C stops cancer is by keeping carcinogens from damaging DNA. It also protects DNA from free radicals. In addition, it has been reported that I3C blocks aflatoxin, a mycotoxin that can cause prostate cancer. It also blocks the cancer-causing effects of heterocyclic amines from cooked meat.
Not only does I3C protect against prostate cancer, it can kill it if it gets a toehold. Most I3C research has been on another hormonally-driven cancer-breast cancer. But a new study confirms that I3C acts virtually the same in both types of cancer. In the first report of its kind, I3C was recently shown to be able to stop the growth of prostate cancer, and cause the cancer cells to die. The mechanism is identical to what happens in breast cancer cells: it upregulates tumor suppressor genes and blocks growth factors. Cells undergo apoptosis and die.
I3C has been studied since the 1970's, when it was first proposed as something that would protect the body against chemical carcinogens. Early studies proved that I3C was highly effective in preventing chemically-induced cancer in rodents. Since that time, hundreds of studies have added to our knowledge about I3C. They show that I3C is a versatile and powerful anti-carcinogen.
How I3C works
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Asian men who eat a traditional Asian diet have a much lower rate of prostate cancer than Americans.
I3C has several different actions that help prevent and stop prostate cancer. It's most well-known for its hormone-modulating effects. Studies show that I3C changes not only estrogen metabolism, but testosterone and androsterone as well. Its hormone-altering action may help protect against hormone mimickers such as the drugs implanted in food animals. It has been confirmed that whether a hormone is the real thing, a drug facsimilie or a chemical, I3C will neutralize it. Presumably this would also include supplements such as pregnenolone and DHEA which are converted in the body to hormones.
Another way I3C stops cancer is by keeping carcinogens from damaging DNA. It also protects DNA from free radicals. In addition, it has been reported that I3C blocks aflatoxin, a mycotoxin that can cause prostate cancer. It also blocks the cancer-causing effects of heterocyclic amines from cooked meat.
Not only does I3C protect against prostate cancer, it can kill it if it gets a toehold. Most I3C research has been on another hormonally-driven cancer-breast cancer. But a new study confirms that I3C acts virtually the same in both types of cancer. In the first report of its kind, I3C was recently shown to be able to stop the growth of prostate cancer, and cause the cancer cells to die. The mechanism is identical to what happens in breast cancer cells: it upregulates tumor suppressor genes and blocks growth factors. Cells undergo apoptosis and die.
I3C has been studied since the 1970's, when it was first proposed as something that would protect the body against chemical carcinogens. Early studies proved that I3C was highly effective in preventing chemically-induced cancer in rodents. Since that time, hundreds of studies have added to our knowledge about I3C. They show that I3C is a versatile and powerful anti-carcinogen.
pistonpump
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it doesnt look like i3c would be a good choice on cycle. Stick with the arimidex imo and save the i3c for pct but maybe 200mg wont hurt too much. Im just thinking that it may suppress a lil of the effects of the test.
TheeBC
Active member
I dont really ever think I get placebo's. I totally just wait it out and think about what I feel.
But, I took i3c about 3 hours ago. My nips I swear to you...not sensitive to the touch as much anymore.
So, Im guessing stick with .5mg ED for the next couple days. I'll do it until Tuesday. See how I feel, then go back to .25mg ED.
But, I took i3c about 3 hours ago. My nips I swear to you...not sensitive to the touch as much anymore.
So, Im guessing stick with .5mg ED for the next couple days. I'll do it until Tuesday. See how I feel, then go back to .25mg ED.
thundergod
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Sounds like a good protocol. Use the least amount of an AI as possible while on-cycle. Just want to lower estro enough to halt its nasty sides. You need some to be anabolic however. And for the lubing effect it has on joints.
TheeBC
Active member
Yeah, my joints have been not to nice to me during PCT of Epistane and now on Mdrol. Im gonna start using my USP Cissus along with 2g of msm & Glucos Sulfate.
Changes in levels of urinary estrogen metabolites after oral indole-3-carbinol treatment in humans.
Rockefeller University Hospital and The Institute for Hormone Research, New York, NY 10016, USA.
BACKGROUND: The oxidative metabolism of estrogens in humans is mediated primarily by cytochrome P450, many isoenzymes of which are inducible by dietary and pharmacologic agents. One major pathway, 2-hydroxylation, is induced by dietary indole-3-carbinol (I3C), which is present in cruciferous vegetables (e.g., cabbage and broccoli). PURPOSE: Because the pool of available estrogen substrates for all pathways is limited, we hypothesized that increased 2-hydroxylation of estrogens would lead to decreased activity in competing metabolic pathways. METHODS: Urine samples were collected from subjects before and after oral ingestion of I3C (6-7 mg/kg per day). In the first study, seven men received I3C for 1 week; in the second study, 10 women received I3C for 2 months. A profile of 13 estrogens was measured in each sample by gas chromatography-mass spectrometry. RESULTS: In both men and women, I3C significantly increased the urinary excretion of C-2 estrogens. The urinary concentrations of nearly all other estrogen metabolites, including levels of estradiol, estrone, estriol, and 16alpha-hydroxyestrone, were lower after I3C treatment. CONCLUSIONS: These findings support the hypothesis that I3C-induced estrogen 2-hydroxylation results in decreased concentrations of several metabolites known to activate the estrogen receptor. This effect may lower estrogenic stimulation in women. IMPLICATIONS: I3C may have chemopreventive activity against breast cancer in humans, although the long-term effects of higher catechol estrogen levels in women require further investigation.
over 90% of an oral dose of I3C is converted into non-diindolylmethane "condensation products" of uncertain structure, uptake and activity.
Changes in levels of urinary estrogen metabolites after oral indole-3-carbinol treatment in humans.
Rockefeller University Hospital and The Institute for Hormone Research, New York, NY 10016, USA.
BACKGROUND: The oxidative metabolism of estrogens in humans is mediated primarily by cytochrome P450, many isoenzymes of which are inducible by dietary and pharmacologic agents. One major pathway, 2-hydroxylation, is induced by dietary indole-3-carbinol (I3C), which is present in cruciferous vegetables (e.g., cabbage and broccoli). PURPOSE: Because the pool of available estrogen substrates for all pathways is limited, we hypothesized that increased 2-hydroxylation of estrogens would lead to decreased activity in competing metabolic pathways. METHODS: Urine samples were collected from subjects before and after oral ingestion of I3C (6-7 mg/kg per day). In the first study, seven men received I3C for 1 week; in the second study, 10 women received I3C for 2 months. A profile of 13 estrogens was measured in each sample by gas chromatography-mass spectrometry. RESULTS: In both men and women, I3C significantly increased the urinary excretion of C-2 estrogens. The urinary concentrations of nearly all other estrogen metabolites, including levels of estradiol, estrone, estriol, and 16alpha-hydroxyestrone, were lower after I3C treatment. CONCLUSIONS: These findings support the hypothesis that I3C-induced estrogen 2-hydroxylation results in decreased concentrations of several metabolites known to activate the estrogen receptor. This effect may lower estrogenic stimulation in women. IMPLICATIONS: I3C may have chemopreventive activity against breast cancer in humans, although the long-term effects of higher catechol estrogen levels in women require further investigation.
over 90% of an oral dose of I3C is converted into non-diindolylmethane "condensation products" of uncertain structure, uptake and activity.
pistonpump
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:toofunny:
TheeBC
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Are they grape nuts naturally or bigger when off?
The sensitivity went away in my man tits. "celebrate good times...COME ON!"
Just picked up
100 tabs of SAM-e 200mg/tab
7 Zero Impact Bars (food stash back up)
240 softgels of Coq10 @ 100mg/softgel
Checked my blood pressure today...
140/55 then 10 minutes late 143/63 :x
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TheeBC
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"fockin cheerios." LOL HAHHAHAHAHAHA I just started laughing. I need to before I go see my gf cause thats strictly business!
Im going to start using SAM-e today. yipppeeee!
also, I killed my max on reverse grip bench for tris. 195x6 GTFO!
TheeBC
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The nips aren't sensitive any more. I normally don't get morning wood, but I have been for the past week 8] Then I get them uncontrollably throughout the day. Im up about 15lbs from when I started. around 199-202 I was 185ish. give or take.
um...i'll be doing a new rotation of injection sites today. I hope the right glute wont hurt anymore or as much.
I feel ridiculously fat on my sups..
um...i'll be doing a new rotation of injection sites today. I hope the right glute wont hurt anymore or as much.
I feel ridiculously fat on my sups..
Xodus
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TheeBC
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What you weighing now-a-days brotha?
Xodus
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hman85
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Thats pretty serious, how long have you been on?
Prometherion
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Man BC, looks like your cycle is going awesome. 15lbs in 15 days... I can't WAIT for my cycle to start.
Keep it up man.
Keep it up man.
TheeBC
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Yeah, my strength is almost back up to my peak. Im only 10lbs shy on the DB's for benching, broke my reverse grip bench, 20lbs short on my tricep pulldown. Squatting is about 50lbs away...(in no time, i'll beat that SOB)
Ive decided today is my rest day. 2 on 1 off. 2 on 1 off. I tend to get carried away and obsessed with results which worries me cause they say juice can cause an addiction. :head::head:
Ive decided today is my rest day. 2 on 1 off. 2 on 1 off. I tend to get carried away and obsessed with results which worries me cause they say juice can cause an addiction. :head::head:
Prometherion
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Being "on" now, do you find you WANT to workout more than a 2 on 1 off split?
I ask because I'm a trainer at a gym and pretty much want to workout all the time as it is, so I can't imagine what it will be like when I'm on the sauce.
nosnmiveins
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this is the worst. i worked in a gym for about 6-8 hours a day and from the second i got there all i could focus on was getting off work and working out.
TheeBC
Active member
Yeah, I do. Im still tripping balls about taking yesterday off. I cant wait for today. Squats! I dont like them but im excited to do them!!!
Went to a chiropractor, I have some type of lower back BS...pinched nerve in my neck which could cause the poor posture that ive been trying to fix for years. I feel like I forcefully make my back straight. Also, could have something to do with the shoulder injury, but he did find a pinched nerve. suh-weet!
TheeBC
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so, back from the dr. I was squatting and felt my lower back compress. They X-rayed me and gave me some cream/painkillers and something to help me sleep. They think its a muscle spasm, which I hope to god it is.
Should I be cautious of anything im taking in my supplements stash mixing with my orals/ ED supplements?
a co-worker I haven't seen in 2 weeks, saw me today and was like "wow MAN I wish I could look like that" hahahah felt DAMN GOOD DAMN *'n good.
Should I be cautious of anything im taking in my supplements stash mixing with my orals/ ED supplements?
a co-worker I haven't seen in 2 weeks, saw me today and was like "wow MAN I wish I could look like that" hahahah felt DAMN GOOD DAMN *'n good.
thundergod
Well-known member
The pain killers (Vicodin probably) will have acetaminephen (sp?) in it. That will compromise liver values. Are you taking Milk Thistle and liver supports?
TheeBC
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YOU KNOW IT. I dont think its vicodin. I'll look though
I still did legs, just everything was machine except lunges. Felt good.
CHEST BABY WOOT WOOT!
TheeBC
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Alright guys, Ive been chosen as the tester for the new PP product that is supposed to be an alternative to HCG
also my nip0s get sensitive soon as I stop the .5mg ED of Arimidex :think: ME :duel: Estrogen
my gf noticed my sex drive over the last few times. :head::head::head:
HELP
also my nip0s get sensitive soon as I stop the .5mg ED of Arimidex :think: ME :duel: Estrogen
my gf noticed my sex drive over the last few times. :head::head::head:
HELP
pistonpump
Banned
i dont see why you need help..... :think: your bangin in the sack and thats good! Just keep up the arimidex dose, its obviously working for you, just find the right frequency and dose and youll be set.
hman85
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Damn piston 2lbs? Did you lose all 220 of it lol
SoCo4Fun
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Maybe he went over board on his last cutter....hahaha...he was following the Mary Kate and Ashley Olsen diet.
hman85
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what crack and getting railed by everyone?
thundergod
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Smokin' glass is bad for your health.
Or so the Surgeon General says! :toofunny:
thundergod
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Start at 400 mg. per day. :thumbsup:
TheeBC
Active member
Thats what I was gonna do but it may suppress the test as well as the the estrogen...
thundergod
Well-known member
From what I've read, it only suppresses test by a very small %. You should have plenty of exogenous testosterone right now! The DIM/I3C regulates estrogen by lowering the bad estro while raising the good. Remember that some estrogen is needed to be anabolic. And it's great for the joints while you-re pushing heavy on-cycle. :thumbsup:
TheeBC
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Alright, well, I felt the sensitivity go away with my dose of I3C also....hrm... I'll do a .25mg for the next few days with the I3C @ 400mg. ED
The SD alone made me bigger then I was before cutting. So, definitely arms are looking good, the quads are coming along VERY NICE. My jeans aren't fitting, which sucks, cuz my favorite pair.....150 bones...err...
I keep procrastinatingon HCG. Imma start now.
The SD alone made me bigger then I was before cutting. So, definitely arms are looking good, the quads are coming along VERY NICE. My jeans aren't fitting, which sucks, cuz my favorite pair.....150 bones...err...
I keep procrastinatingon HCG. Imma start now.
Xodus
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pistonpump
Banned
u may have to bump up the AI with the HCG, i know i did, it caused my nipps to get itchy. At first i didnt know what it was from then with some advice i dropped the HCG and no more itchy nipps. I restarted the HCG but ran more protection with it.