The Adonis Complex

I thought I was going to run this one cycle and only this one (yeah right =)....well last night my girl friend asks "so when are you going to run your next cycle?"

That got me so pumped haha. I guess she is loving this sh*t as much as me =)
 
I would like to get a few opinions on running ostarine during my PCT.... I was thinking this

25mg/12.5/12.5/6.5/6.5
Starting the osta last week of cycle and running it until the end of PCT.
 
technique88 said:
I would like to get a few opinions on running ostarine during my PCT.... I was thinking this

25mg/12.5/12.5/6.5/6.5
Starting the osta last week of cycle and running it until the end of PCT.
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That's a good dose schedule man. You ever think about peptides? I'm gunna run a 4 month cycle of peptides starting in pct.
 
DangerDave said:
That's a good dose schedule man. You ever think about peptides? I'm gunna run a 4 month cycle of peptides starting in pct.
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I have never thought about them. I am relatively new to this anabolic world. I'm still covering ground researching the standard old school anabolics. I keep seeing osta pop up everywhere and people being in love with it. If it can help solidify gains then I figured it would be a great addition to PCT.
 
Peptides will do the same. Except increase gains and grow new muscle. IGF1LR3 will help grow new muscle cells.
 
thats almost the same osta cycle i ran durning my last pct. and peptides are awesome the only thing that suck is frequency of injections
 
oh and peptides also allow for the growth of extra genitalia
 
DangerDave said:
Peptides will do the same. Except increase gains and grow new muscle. IGF1LR3 will help grow new muscle cells.
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I've always been hesitant on peptides like that but only because at my current state of knowledge I am very ignorant to them. It definitely could be something in the future but not until later when I really sit down and get to know it.

I am just looking into osta. I will read on it and make my decision soon....as in I will most likely do it =)
 
csa2179 said:
thats almost the same osta cycle i ran durning my last pct. and peptides are awesome the only thing that suck is frequency of injections
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How do you about it during PCT? Did it help solidfy gains?
 
Yeah its something you run in pct and between cycles.
 
Hey man how's the AL working out for you?
 
Danb2285 said:
Hey man how's the AL working out for you?
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I think it is still too early to tell...Tomorrow will be one full week on it. I usually like to give PP products about 2 weeks before I start looking for effects, give it time to establish constant blood levels. I am leaning out around the mid section and my vascularity is definitely increasing, then again, I have been running ECA and Anavar for 2 weeks now...

Once I start seeing the effects of AL I will definitely be reporting it in this log. I like to give accurate descriptions of each substance I am running for all my followers just in case they are looking to run something I am currently on.
 
Only word of caution I have towards osta is that it appears everyone has a different reaction to it in terms of suppression. Some people can easily run 25mg consistently without suppression, while others report it at anything over a consistent 10mg. By itself this isn't a gigantic issue, but in PCT, when your body is attempting to return to homeostasis, you could run into some issues. As with all your other compounds, start moderate and gauge where you stand.

Personally, I love osta for bridging between cycles, after I'm done with my PCT. Easy to run for several weeks, take a break, then hop back on. Continue pattern until next cycle starts :)
 
GVT day 2: legs and Abs

Since I throw in abs about 3x a week I ddigured I would make a substitution for traps. I felt that GVT didn't really incorporate traps and it is one muscle that I would like to improve.

A1) Leg press 10x10, 360lbs
A2) DB shrugs 10x10, 70lb
B1) leg curls 3x10, 140lb
B2) leg extensions 3x10, 120lb
B3) seated calf raises 3x20, 135lb

This sh*t was f**king intense! I felt as if I was going to throw up after that superset with leg presses. During my final tri set my legs were literally shaking =)

I went a little light on the leg press so I can get a feel for what I can handle. I will definitely be bumping it up next time.

I haven't done leg press in so long, I forgot how much I loved it. Definitely my favorite leg exercise.

My pump was great and I am looking bigger everyday. The ECA and var are begining to lean me out and really keeping that test bloat down. My vascularity is improving everyday as well. Tomorrow I will be pinning 375mg of test and hitting GVT day 3, arms and shoulders.

I am still researching osta. The supplier I plan on buying it from has 10mg doses so I will probably run it at:
30/20/20/10/10.

Once I read more reviews and get more of an idea of how suppressive it is I will decide. I am only half way through my cycle so I have plenty of time to decide. Until then I am all open for suggestions and feed back.
 
Airborne42 said:
Gettin strong bro
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Thanx buddy...I am putting everything into this cycle =) with GVT is so interesting because you aren't lifting heavy but you get stronger. Its weird for me because I have always been that lifter to keep the reps low and that weight piled high =)
 
technique88 said:
Thanx buddy...I am putting everything into this cycle =) with GVT is so interesting because you aren't lifting heavy but you get stronger. Its weird for me because I have always been that lifter to keep the reps low and that weight piled high =)
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Same here Haha I can't lift light X-D
 
Airborne42 said:
Same here Haha I can't lift light X-D
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I could see that bro, after reading your workouts all I gotta say is G-d D@mn! I thought my legs were strong, well its back to the drawing for me =)
 
Not to challenge your knowledge here, but what is your intended use for osta? You had said above that you primarily wanted it to retain muscle. IMO, the tapering you suggest doesn't exactly make sense - wouldn't it be more beneficial to find out the dosage that best feels like it keeps gains for you and then just keep that dosage consistent through PCT? As much as I love the "more is better" attitude most of us have, I've seen a lot of cases where people feel osta is incredibly effective at retaining muscle while at only 10mg daily. To be honest, your dosing looks more like it's trying to gain muscle from osta as opposed to keep what you've gained on-cycle. In PCT you want to make sure of two things: #1 that you do not interrupt the testicle kick-start and #2 That the compounds you take assist the testicle kick-start. That 30mg starting dose is, IMO, dangerously close to violating the first principle.

I know you're still researching it, but I wanted to lay in my 2 cents.
 
technique88 said:
I could see that bro, after reading your workouts all I gotta say is G-d D@mn! I thought my legs were strong, well its back to the drawing for me =)
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It's just genetics and knowing your body ... You are built the same way!
 
GreenEarth said:
Not to challenge your knowledge here, but what is your intended use for osta? You had said above that you primarily wanted it to retain muscle. IMO, the tapering you suggest doesn't exactly make sense - wouldn't it be more beneficial to find out the dosage that best feels like it keeps gains for you and then just keep that dosage consistent through PCT? As much as I love the "more is better" attitude most of us have, I've seen a lot of cases where people feel osta is incredibly effective at retaining muscle while at only 10mg daily. To be honest, your dosing looks more like it's trying to gain muscle from osta as opposed to keep what you've gained on-cycle. In PCT you want to make sure of two things: #1 that you do not interrupt the testicle kick-start and #2 That the compounds you take assist the testicle kick-start. That 30mg starting dose is, IMO, dangerously close to violating the first principle.

I know you're still researching it, but I wanted to lay in my 2 cents.
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These are just ideas at the moment. 30mg is very high and from what I have read that dose wuld suppress given you ran it for a couple of weeks. I would run the 30mg my last week of cycle mainly to get my blood levels kick started so by the time I enter PCT I and dropping the dose and my blood levels are established. I appreciate your thoughts, I need feed back because I am just know looking into it. I believe I have come across people running it at 10mg and loving it. This dosing protocol I read on a thread in AM. This dude apparently was a tester for the product when it first hit the market and found that at that scheduled protocol it worked best for HIM. That being said, its one persons opinion and still have a lot more to look into before I decide to purchase. Since this is my second cycle, and am an amature at PCT so I need as much help as I can get.
 
Airborne42 said:
It's just genetics and knowing your body ... You are built the same way!
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Haha very true bro! After this GVT run I am looking forward to lifting even heavier weights =)
 
technique88 said:
These are just ideas at the moment. 30mg is very high and from what I have read that dose wuld suppress given you ran it for a couple of weeks. I would run the 30mg my last week of cycle mainly to get my blood levels kick started so by the time I enter PCT I and dropping the dose and my blood levels are established. I appreciate your thoughts, I need feed back because I am just know looking into it. I believe I have come across people running it at 10mg and loving it. This dosing protocol I read on a thread in AM. This dude apparently was a tester for the product when it first hit the market and found that at that scheduled protocol it worked best for HIM. That being said, its one persons opinion and still have a lot more to look into before I decide to purchase. Since this is my second cycle, and am an amature at PCT so I need as much help as I can get.
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GreenEarth has a good point bro. I wouldn't chance that first week at 30, maybe 20 but then down to 10 the rest of the run. In pct u wanna b pretty cautious u know what I'm sayin.
 
Dr.Stri8ed said:
GreenEarth has a good point bro. I wouldn't chance that first week at 30, maybe 20 but then down to 10 the rest of the run. In pct u wanna b pretty cautious u know what I'm sayin.
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Can i ask why risk further suppression at all? Why not just go with the standard pct, of serm ai if needed, natty booster and anti cort? I mean after all the standard is that was because it works. Maybe use your osta down the road.
 
superbeast668 said:
Can i ask why risk further suppression at all? Why not just go with the standard pct, of serm ai if needed, natty booster and anti cort? I mean after all the standard is that was because it works. Maybe use your osta down the road.
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This is true. You could always bring in osta in at like week 5 after you end your SERM. The last thing you want is to risk suppression in pct.
 
Definitely makes sense but from what I am reading, osta doesn't suppress or only supresses at higher doses for extended periods of time. I probably was going high for my dose. I was reading more on it yesterday and running it 10mg all the way through seemed to work well. It seemed to be very user dependent. Some loved it at 25mg then tapering down and others felt 10mg was sufficient. It is difficult to find consistent testing. Another study at 3mg for 12 weeks did display very very minor shutdown but was the shut down from the low dose or was it due to running it for 12 weeks? Not very clear. Other information I found was that a SARM in combination with a SERM really creates an ideal environment. Any "potential" shut down was basically elimated with the use of a SERM. The study went on to say as the SARM was acting on your angrogen receptors creating LBM and maintaining strength the SERM was bringing you natty test levels back. In this study the subjects did not experience any weight gain or strength increase, they achieved maintaining what they gained on cycle and actually losing a little weight but most likely from decreased water and glycogen retention. Over all size and strength was preserved and that's all I am looking for.
 
Good on you for research man. Looks good and if I wasn't gunna run peptides I would try it and be a Guinea pig. Just be cautious don't want you to shut down your nuts... your old lady would prolly be pissed!
 
DangerDave said:
Good on you for research man. Looks good and if I wasn't gunna run peptides I would try it and be a Guinea pig. Just be cautious don't want you to shut down your nuts... your old lady would prolly be pissed!
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Lol she would not be happy! I won't really know if shut down is apparent unless I try. I want to read up on more case reports before I commit. So far I like what I am reading =)
 
superbeast668 said:
Can i ask why risk further suppression at all? Why not just go with the standard pct, of serm ai if needed, natty booster and anti cort? I mean after all the standard is that was because it works. Maybe use your osta down the road.
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Agreed. All u can hope for is that u keep your gains in the end.
 
I can be a guinea pig for y'all =) run osta, get B/W at 4 weeks of PCT and see how my levels are...
 
GVT day 3: Arms and shoulders

A1) dips 10x10, BW
A2) incline hammer curls 10x10, 30lb
B1) smythe machine shoulder press 3x8, 185lb
B2) DB side lateral raises 3x10, 25lb

Core:

wood chops
65lbx10x10

Todays work out was of course nothing less than extremely intense. All I have to say is that after GVT you are straight exhausted. I had a protein shake and then went home to eat a massive meal of chicken picata, bacon and onion flat bread, salad, and sauteed spinach and garlic. Dirty a$$ meal but delicious.

I have definitely cheated these past 2 days. I was really starting to see myself lean out and now I'm just bloated. I honestly feel like I do not eat enough. I eat 6 meals a day but I find it so hard to consume 450g of protein. Its hard eating for a 225lb person. I try to only have 2 protein shaked a day and get most of my protein from food. I might have to start drinking more shakes...
 
technique88 said:
GVT day 3: Arms and shoulders

A1) dips 10x10, BW
A2) incline hammer curls 10x10, 30lb
B1) smythe machine shoulder press 3x8, 185lb
B2) DB side lateral raises 3x10, 25lb

Core:

wood chops
65lbx10x10

Todays work out was of course nothing less than extremely intense. All I have to say is that after GVT you are straight exhausted. I had a protein shake and then went home to eat a massive meal of chicken picata, bacon and onion flat bread, salad, and sauteed spinach and garlic. Dirty a$$ meal but delicious.

I have definitely cheated these past 2 days. I was really starting to see myself lean out and now I'm just bloated. I honestly feel like I do not eat enough. I eat 6 meals a day but I find it so hard to consume 450g of protein. Its hard eating for a 225lb person. I try to only have 2 protein shaked a day and get most of my protein from food. I might have to start drinking more shakes...
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Have another shake if u have to bro.
 
Dr.Stri8ed said:
Have another shake if u have to bro.
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I could but the thought of getting a lot of my protein from supps bothers me. I seriously wish I like tuna and eggs. Life would be much easier.

How many grams of protein do you take post wo Doc?
 
technique88 said:
I could but the thought of getting a lot of my protein from supps bothers me. I seriously wish I like tuna and eggs. Life would be much easier.

How many grams of protein do you take post wo Doc?
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Lol love tuna, I hardboil the eggs and throw them in there. I usually have around 60 grams or so, if its a cheat meal though its usually over 100.
 
Dr.Stri8ed said:
Lol love tuna, I hardboil the eggs and throw them in there. I usually have around 60 grams or so, if its a cheat meal though its usually over 100.
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I'm just going to start throwing greek yogurt into every shake.
 
Start eating more chicken bro. I'm eating 400 gr. protein too and it sucks I know lol. I don't eat any veggies or tuna or anything like that so my day consist of 36-40 oz of boneless skinless chicken breast everyday for meals. If you want I can pm you what my meals are or something. Right now I'm taking in around 400 grams of protein, 60-75 grams of fat and 100 carbs a day. I'm also in the 220 range. Hard as f*ck eating for a big guy lol
 
Danb2285 said:
Start eating more chicken bro. I'm eating 400 gr. protein too and it sucks I know lol. I don't eat any veggies or tuna or anything like that so my day consist of 36-40 oz of boneless skinless chicken breast everyday for meals. If you want I can pm you what my meals are or something. Right now I'm taking in around 400 grams of protein, 60-75 grams of fat and 100 carbs a day. I'm also in the 220 range. Hard as f*ck eating for a big guy lol
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Haha tell me about it man. If you can PM that'd be cool. I eat so much chicken lol its disgusting. At work, which is an animal hospital it is very difficult to eat so frequently. Chicken and lean ground beef. I'm just stuck on how much your body actually absorbs in one sitting. Its debatable.
 
It won't let me pm you for some reason so I'll just put it here...

Hey bro this is how I split my meals up

Breakfast- 2 cups egg white's, even if you don't like eggs this would be huge if you could throw them into breakfast. I don't really care for eggs either but i choke it down it's an easy 50-75 grams of protein depending on what brand you buy. Maybe try sprinkling some low fat cheese or something.

4 slices turkey bacon
Whole wheat English muffin or oatmeal depending on where my carbs are going to be that day.

Whey shake

Meal 2
Whole wheat all natty PB sandwich

Meal 3/4/5
Are all the same 36 oz of chicken and 1 cup brown rice split up into 3 meals. Or 96% lean beef

And a whey shake before bed

For snacks between meals I do almonds or small green apples. Every once in a while I'll sub the turkey bacon out for turkey sausage and the brown rice for whole wheat pasta. And if you really want some extra protein throw in some tilipia. It's got 20 grams of protein for every 4 oz's.

Usually adds up to 3600-3800 calories 400 grams of protein 65 grams of fat and between 100-150 carbs.

That's pretty much my everyday meals. Sh*t sucks! Im so tired of eating chicken. I feel like i should have stock in tyson lol Ive never been a big eater so it's been a huge transition for me. I've been eating like this for a few months and seems to be working for me. Hope this helps man.
 
God damn I eat 1-2lbs of chicken a day. It sucks.
 
It's true. I'm so sick of chicken it's ridiculous. I'm also sick of paying for it lol sh*ts getting expensive!
 
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