Testosterone

AndShane

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So I started test .5 twice a week. Usually wed and Saturday. Started with total t in 700s and free t but super low. Not both are in High range and i am getting big. I didn’t want to bulk up but I workout 4 days a week and naturally I guess my body responds. All I wanted to do was get more energy and lean up some. But I am gaining plenty of muscle and weight. I am trying to actually drop weight. Any suggestions on dose or what I can do. Also on hcg as well
 
AndShane said:
So I started test .5 twice a week. Usually wed and Saturday. Started with total t in 700s and free t but super low. Not both are in High range and i am getting big. I didn’t want to bulk up but I workout 4 days a week and naturally I guess my body responds. All I wanted to do was get more energy and lean up some. But I am gaining plenty of muscle and weight. I am trying to actually drop weight. Any suggestions on dose or what I can do. Also on hcg as well
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Most likely water weight. How many mg/ml?
 
Ok. Estrogen is low so could it still be water weight? What ways are there to remove this. I take arimidex which did suppress my e2. So I backed off the dose
 
200mg week. .25 arimidex every 3 days. Getting strong as **** and big. I didnt think I would get that big with lose dose. I want to lean out. Diet is ok. Blood pressure is higher than normal and reason I started was high shbg and low free test.
 
AndShane said:
200mg week. .25 arimidex every 3 days. Getting strong as **** and big. I didnt think I would get that big with lose dose. I want to lean out. Diet is ok. Blood pressure is higher than normal and reason I started was high shbg and low free test.
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Is that standard practice? Seems odd they wouldnt just give you something to lower shbg and all would be good?? Or was that tried already
 
Yeah is that normal to gain 10lbs in 2 months. I am much stronger in gym, want more sex, more energy. I just don’t like being 214 honestly. I am 5’11 and would like to be 200 or so. I diet also
 
AndShane said:
Yeah is that normal to gain 10lbs in 2 months. I am much stronger in gym, want more sex, more energy. I just don’t like being 214 honestly. I am 5’11 and would like to be 200 or so. I diet also
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That is normal, especially if your eating over maintenance, or not in a deficit. And depending on how much cardio you are doing.
 
How's your eating, are you tracking calories and macro's. Are you doing any cardio during your workouts, and are you doing it before or after your workouts
 
200mg per ml and your taking .5 twice a week? This sounds like doctor prescribed TRT. Is it pharmaceutical test or a UGL. Very rarely hear of UGL using 200mg per ml
 
bradleyt1 said:
200mg per ml and your taking .5 twice a week? This sounds like doctor prescribed TRT. Is it pharmaceutical test or a UGL. Very rarely hear of UGL using 200mg per ml
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He is on TRT. I just dont understand the AI. I'm on TRT as well and we had bloodwork done before even talking about AI, and turns out at 200mg/ml a week. I dont need it.
 
AndShane said:
Not counting anything currently and do cardio 3-4 times a week. What do you suggest on cardio?
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I would start tracking your calories, and macros, making sure your in a deficit. I would also recommend atleast 50-60 mins of cardio pre-lifting a week. Such as I lift 6 days a week. I do 10 mins cardio a day before I lift. It has been stated and I would have to go find the article, but if cutting do your cardio pre-workout, and if bulking post-workout for best results. That should help you out to lean out.
 
AndShane said:
Anything for appetite suppressant or things to eat during the day to stop cravings
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Try superdrol lmao

TT in 700 and you got prescribed trt??? That's normal test levels. If free T was low you should have just lowered it: arimistane is good for this or proviron or even tongkat ali. Also Ai's offcourse, but they would lower your e2 to much. You are a healthy male taking a suppressive hormone that is going to basically make you "unhealthy" in time due to leydig cell atrophy. Then you will actually need trt.

This is just from the top of my head. Maybe there is a sound reason that you got prescribed trt...?
 
I agree.
I don't understand why a Dr. would prescribe TRT for you, unless there is something we don't know.
 
Just low free testosterone and high shbg honestly. I feel much better on trt honestly. 200 mg a week? Low dose? Only been on 2 months but not sure what would raise my free test. Obviously trt is working and feel great?
 
AndShane said:
Just low free testosterone and high shbg honestly. I feel much better on trt honestly. 200 mg a week? Low dose? Only been on 2 months but not sure what would raise my free test. Obviously trt is working and feel great?
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Yeah, nobody is arguing that the TRT isn't working. We were just wondering if there wasn't another therapy available that would achieve this without shutting down your body's own natural hormone system.
 
Low dose trt bad for you long term? Who doesn’t want to feel better? Other options ? Nothing proven natural to raise free test by double or triple. Prove that please?
 
Renew1 said:
Yeah, nobody is arguing that the TRT isn't working. We were just wondering if there wasn't another therapy available that would achieve this without shutting down your body's own natural hormone system.
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Exactly. He is in fact hurting himself. He could feel probably similarly with proviron. Or a little less with some other shbg inhibitor. Although the physical gains, he could not achieve.

Also, a 200mg trt dose is quite high. Presumably he gave you a high dose bc of the high shbg BUT anecdotally (by your own account), you are feeling a lot better and getting bigger, which means you are in fact on a light cycle - not actually on trt. This would then qualify for a medical error on behalf of the treating doctor. That, or this is one of those "trt clinics" that are basically a way to get legitimately "on cycle" : )

Eitherway, if you are in fact on a low cycle, you should get the "trt" dose lowered. Having supraphisiological levels of androgens elevated for a long time, brings a slew of bad juju your way ...
 
AndShane said:
Isn’t proviron anabolic? Steroid? Not sure your point
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Yeah, you don't seem to undestand our point at all. We're only trying to help.

What did you find out when you researched lowering your SHBG?

To be honest, it doesn't sound like you've done much research at all.
And that is a VERY, VERY bad plan.
 
I have. Nothing says some natural vitamin your suggesting will lower shbg. Maybe proviron but isn’t it a steroid? I have knowledge and it’s why I am looking for answers. So taking proviron long term is after that low dose trt. Bc labs now are good with free test
 
AndShane said:
Low dose trt bad for you long term? Who doesn’t want to feel better? Other options ? Nothing proven natural to raise free test by double or triple. Prove that please?
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200mg/w of test is NOT low dose. It is the maximum TRT dose, very seldom prescribed. "Natural methods of raising free test" exist. Google: "Stinging nettle extract" :

The herb also has an ability to interfere with human hormone binding globulin (SHBG), as noted by several researchers. It is claimed that stinging nettle, “by blocking the interaction between free testosterone and SHBG, higher levels of free testosterone are available in the body.”
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Instead jumping on a "self prescribed" test cycle (I doubt it was by prescription, especially with total test in normal range), low dose proviron would have done the trick, its basically DHT, your body makes it from test.
Do you want us to search for the relevant studies on how Proviron lowers SHBG and ups free test? Thing is WE already know how -and why to use steroids, brother. You are the one lacking that knowledge. Use google.
 
AndShane said:
I have. Nothing says some natural vitamin your suggesting will lower shbg. Maybe proviron but isn’t it a steroid? I have knowledge and it’s why I am looking for answers. So taking proviron long term is after that low dose trt. Bc labs now are good with free test
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To be honest, we are all trying to solve a problem that we don't even know the cause of (unless you and your Dr do).
Did your Dr attempt to find the cause of your high SHBG? If so, what did he find?

Not trying to badger you, man. I realize that it is possible that your Dr took the best avaible plan of action. I've just never seen anyone presrcibed 200mg of TRT Test to correct low free Test, who already had TT of 700.
 
Renew1 said:
To be honest, we are all trying to solve a problem that we don't even know the cause of (unless you and your Dr do).
Did your Dr attempt to find the cause of your high SHBG? If so, what did he find?

Not trying to badger you, man. I realize that it is possible that your Dr took the best avaible plan of action. I've just never seen anyone presrcibed 200mg of TRT Test to correct low free Test, who already had TT of 700.
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I'm on 200mg TRT but my total test was 249. And free test. Well lets not even go there. Lol
 
Renew1 said:
To be honest, we are all trying to solve a problem that we don't even know the cause of (unless you and your Dr do).
Did your Dr attempt to find the cause of your high SHBG? If so, what did he find?

Not trying to badger you, man. I realize that it is possible that your Dr took the best avaible plan of action. I've just never seen anyone presrcibed 200mg of TRT Test to correct low free Test, who already had TT of 700.
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His doctor may be a dentist, that would explain it.
 
Renew1 said:
Not trying to badger you, man. I realize that it is possible that your Dr took the best avaible plan of action. I've just never seen anyone presrcibed 200mg of TRT Test to correct low free Test, who already had TT of 700.
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Exactly...even low 400's and they dont want to prescribe test. Your situation is a bit like the gas knob on your stove is stuck. So you replace the whole stove. Your test is fine but shbg is high...so why throw so much test against the wall that shbg cant cause the problem anymore? Why not just lower shbg (replace the dam knob). We are just seeking for some understanding here...I doubt anyone here has seen 200mg yest per week for already plenty high levels. Sounds strange is all
 
Renew1 said:
To be honest, we are all trying to solve a problem that we don't even know the cause of (unless you and your Dr do).
Did your Dr attempt to find the cause of your high SHBG? If so, what did he find?

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I guess: Lack of exercise, obesity, wrong nutrition. For a doc that means: prescribing pills. For real people it means: move your azz, control your diet.
 
To be blunt, I sense some dishonesty in OP's posts. Lot's of things don't add up. I think the posts above this one, kinda point in this same direction.

But, if current labs show normal, "in range", free test levels and this is the truth, then I guess it's ok regarding the "on cycle" thing. But still bad because of the: "unnecessary shutting your self down for ever" thing.

Dr. is either non-existent, a quack, a friend, or a "trt clinic"...
 
Totally understand. 2 months on trt and I feel like I’m on cycle. Will I be ok quitting and then restesting bloods 3 months later and then examining again? Obviously I know the issue, just not sure where or how I can get proviron
 
Jinsun said:
To be blunt, I sense some dishonesty in OP's posts. Lot's of things don't add up. I think the posts above this one, kinda point in this same direction.

But, if current labs show normal, "in range", free test levels and this is the truth, then I guess it's ok regarding the "on cycle" thing. But still bad because of the: "unnecessary shutting your self down for ever" thing.

Dr. is either non-existent, a quack, a friend, or a "trt clinic"...
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You saying mine points in the same direction as the op's?
 
AndShane said:
Totally understand. 2 months on trt and I feel like I’m on cycle. Will I be ok quitting and then restesting bloods 3 months later and then examining again? Obviously I know the issue, just not sure where or how I can get proviron
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No. You are now shut down. If you go out cold turkey, it will be a struggle -and your test may be so low after 3 month, that your "doc" would prescribe 200mg/w test for TRT, this time for real.
I would suggest to do a PCT for at least 4 weeks, like clomid 50/25/25/25 Or Tamoxifen 40/40/30/20.

Look for "research labs" selling clomid. Proviron, well, you may get that online too -or just ask politely the biggest guy in your gym where to get it.
If you get proviron, take 25mg/d during PCT. It may help with erection problems and depression.
 
I have been on hcg this whole
Time as well. I also take arimidex .25 every 3 days. What’s clomid do different ?
 
How to do a proper PCT after long ester test you will find googling. Suggested dosages vary but all include a SERM like clomid, nolvadex or toremifene.
With no PCT, your natural test values will be way lower than before starting the "cycle"for a prolonged period -and, there is no guarantee that you have NOT fugged up your nuts for good -and your test levels will remain low forever, even after PCT (chance is small, don't panic yet).
 
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