testosterone cream V.S sustanon which is easier on your hair

ItsHectic said:
Why do you say that?

Companies will make what sells, "hey you wanna rub this into your head every day, or just take a pill?"

They made sustanon wich is the same principle, although some people do prefere it.
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Do you think regaine has equal effectiveness as propecia?
 
getreal said:
Do you think regaine has equal effectiveness as propecia?
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I am assuming that you mean rogaine. If so they are two different animals. Propecia systemically reduces DHT whereas Rogaine is a topical vasodilator used I believe to promote blood flow to the hair follicle to spur growth. I am not positive I am exactly right on the science of the Rogaine but close enough to explain to you the difference.

The topical equivalent of Propecia would be a spirolactone product. In my opinion , and I believe Dr. Johns opinion as well, the topical is a preferred route of administration for this purpose. Remember that when surpressing DHT sytemically you negatively impact all the good things that a healthy DHT level brings with it.
 
jcam222 said:
I am assuming that you mean rogaine. If so they are two different animals. Propecia systemically reduces DHT whereas Rogaine is a topical vasodilator used I believe to promote blood flow to the hair follicle to spur growth. I am not positive I am exactly right on the science of the Rogaine but close enough to explain to you the difference.

The topical equivalent of Propecia would be a spirolactone product. In my opinion , and I believe Dr. Johns opinion as well, the topical is a preferred route of administration for this purpose. Remember that when surpressing DHT sytemically you negatively impact all the good things that a healthy DHT level brings with it.
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Yes regaine (uk) rogaine (us), quite intereting really about the blood flow however, I'd like to try spiroactone but could you provide a direct link to purchase it if you know of one, I have tried regaine extra strenth a few years back, now I would like to try a different topical to stack with my oral.
 
getreal said:
Yes regaine (uk) rogaine (us), quite intereting really about the blood flow however, I'd like to try spiroactone but could you provide a direct link to purchase it if you know of one, I have tried regaine extra strenth a few years back, now I would like to try a different topical to stack with my oral.
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Oreder Spiro from Dr. Lee @ minoxidil.com.....you have to complete a consultation first and become a patient...$20...Then order....Email him w/questions and he will respond promptly...super knowledegable guy, all his ideas based on science....

Blood flow and hairloss is a common myth/misconception....Inflammation may play a role....

Just so you know, Spiro smells like rotten eggs, especially when combined w/minox....

Other topical option include Spectral DNC, and the new rogaine foam....

Dr Lee also seels his versions of minox....dry faster and cleaner w/variwed concentrations...also Xandrox, which combines w/azelic acid...

Lots of misinformation in this thread.....
 
ItsHectic said:
I dont know, havent heard of any comparisons.
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Studies show that they work better together, but the results are derived from opposite ends....Stop one and lose the gains associated w/its use....

Nobody really knows exactly how/why minox works, as finasteride is unpredictable....Remember, both are the result of a side effect observed from a different application....
 
Dr. John said:
No, it IS more harsh than topicals. As in, there are no sides to topicals. I have a lot of patients who have had their lives absolutely ruined (and more all the time) by taking finasteride; but not one from taking a topical.
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I gree w/you 110% about the finasteride....dangerous, unpredictable drug with unexplained effects.....Messes w/each individuals hormones and effects hairloss/growth alternately case by case.....

I think what you meant is that topical sides are negligable in comparisom....I had to discontinue Nizoral due to side effects.....granted, it wasn't ED, but it was severe enough (super dry hair/contour irregularity) to discontinue use....

Minox has effected me much the same way...Hypertrichosis....Also, Facial hair became coarser and grew at sporadic angles......Ironically, the fact that I got the sides indicated that I , case specifically, would benefit from maintenence/regrowth as a result of continued use...

Some claim hormonal interference from topical spiro also....
 
Hyde12 said:
I would personally rather lose some hair than lose my sex drive. Hey my hair is short anyway because im in the military :rolleyes:
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Amen. I willl never, ever sacrifice my health for the sake of vanity. And for the life of me, I can't understand why one would do so.

Personally, Ive got mostly a full head of hair, although its started to slightly creep back, but I still shave it anyways, I feel it looks better. :woohoo:
 
Apparently, apples have some sort of compound in them that help prevent hairloss. Read that in quite few different places, but for the life of me I can't seem to find a link.
 
Dr. John said:
No, it IS more harsh than topicals. As in, there are no sides to topicals. I have a lot of patients who have had their lives absolutely ruined (and more all the time) by taking finasteride; but not one from taking a topical.
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Their are no sides to topicals which is what I have been saying, but they will not be as effetive as the real thing which of course has more sides. A topical alone will not be of much use alone but combine them both and the effects should be great. Finasteride, Dutasteride, should be the base of a "cycle" for sombody serious who wants to keep their hair, stack it with a topical (minoxidol, nizoral ect: ) and you should get more solid results. Of course your potentially going to get more sides this way, the bigger the risk the bigger the reward, it all depends on what is more important to you and how far YOU are willing to go.
 
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Dr. John said:
I wonder if perhaps some sort of conditioner may have helped you.
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I used it in conjunction w/conditioner (emu based conditioner at that) and the only solution was to discontinue-or live w/the new look.......Took almost 2 mos. for my hair contour to return to "normal"....
 
Dr. John said:
Not true. You achieve MUCH higher concentration of DHT antagonism with a topical. IMPO, the risks of employing systemic 5-AR inhibition are far too great. Just ask any of the guys who have had their lives permanently ruined by same.

"Think of it" as filling a tea cup in a thunderstorm with systemics, where the only place you want DHT control is at the scalp.
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Hmmm was my post edited at all? There was somthing missing in there, anyway what I'm trying to say is if topicals are more productive at blocking dht from the scalp, why do people take on the bigger risks with the pills?
 
getreal said:
Hmmm was my post edited at all? There was somthing missing in there, anyway what I'm trying to say is if topicals are more productive at blocking dht from the scalp, why do people take on the bigger risks with the pills?
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Marketing, companies send doctors pens and posters and mugs with there company name to win them over, so if there in an office with MERCK everywhere, there most likely gonna prescribe propecia over rogaine. Also, doctors want there patients to see results and delivery method plays a roll in this(patient compliance), so they prefere there patient take a pill rather then use a lotion, with doctors not knowing about chronic ED as one of the risks, in there mind they dont have a reason not to prescribe it over a lotion, but it would depend on how the doctor is with there medicines or how they view the situation(how much is the problem impacting the person and many other factors), some like to start agressive and some like to hold back and work there way up from diet to otc to presciption.
 
Dr. John said:
Not true. You achieve MUCH higher concentration of DHT antagonism with a topical. IMPO, the risks of employing systemic 5-AR inhibition are far too great. Just ask any of the guys who have had their lives permanently ruined by same.
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Does this mean that some guys just dont ever recover, no matter what they try? I know with me, my finasteride problems feel VERY permanaent, like someone has switched a light off in my body and it can never be turned back on.
 
Old thread, but haven't we also discussed the idea that lowering estrogen will also lower DHT on the idea that the body can produce /convert more DHT to compete with higher E?
 
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