Testoheal 40mg x 2 weekly for female libido (with case study link)

[DinosaurMuffins]

Recently read an article outlining a trial that gave 1 group 40mg twice weekly of testosterone undecanoate orally. Over 8 weeks they saw a significant increase in sexual parameters (desire, satisfaction, lubrication, orgasm, Arousal, and pain (decreased). https://bmcwomenshealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12905-015-0270-6

Wanted to get some opinions on this. The wife is low libido, working with her through a marriage counselor to help with this and a few other issues. Counselor has told me now in private that she feels I am right about hormones but would need her levels to be checked but we haven't gotten there yet. She was checked before and she is at the low end of everything, they said she is fine because she reported her libido is fine because she thinks once a month is normal. She doesn't masturbate, she doesn't have fantasies and she does initiate sex. So some other red flags.

Just trying to find some solutions because this **** isn't working. Might be able to convince her to try something like this as an experiment to either prove her right or me right that there is an issue.

 

[gphagan1]

I would look up an Endocrinologist that works with women and hormone therapy, and is familiar with Testosterone therapy for Women. That way they can run her blood work and dial it in on proper doses. I will say most women usually do get a libido boost from Test, but female doses are usually really low.
That is an interesting study, though, and first time I’ve seen that.

 

[Smont]

Don't attempt to self administer male hormones to a female. Any Masculinizing side effects will likely be permanent. This is all stuff you wanna do through a specialist. The reward is definitely not worth the risk so you gotta have someone Who knows what they're doing dial in this type of stuff

 

[Smont]

I would look up an Endocrinologist that works with women and hormone therapy, and is familiar with Testosterone therapy for Women. That way they can run her blood work and dial it in on proper doses. I will say most women usually do get a libido boost from Test, but female doses are usually really low.
That is an interesting study, though, and first time I’ve seen that.

I know a few females on testosterone and they only use 5mg per week

 

[Mikereyn513]

I would look up an Endocrinologist that works with women and hormone therapy, and is familiar with Testosterone therapy for Women. That way they can run her blood work and dial it in on proper doses. I will say most women usually do get a libido boost from Test, but female doses are usually really low.
That is an interesting study, though, and first time I’ve seen that.

William Llewellyn talks about it a little bit the latest edition of his anabolics book. I read that part not the long ago

 

[kisaj]

First thing to keep in mind is that libido is only partially due to hormone balance, so don't expect miracles. My wife has a lot of friends that are all on hormone therapy, mainly testosterone and it's about 50% success for those that say they are craving sex and the others still could care less but they are dropping fat and building muscle.

My wife was on progesterone for about 3 years and at first it was amazing, she was the most patient, laid back person ever and libido was way up. Then it just kind of stopped working and she decided 3 months ago to stop because her anxiety was getting so bad. Now she's back to being calm, great mood, low anxiety, etc..

My point is- hormone therapy can be very helpful, but it isn't usually a magic wand where everything is fixed.

Also- I would avoid an endo unless it is the only option. Our experience has been less than great at several of them. I would recommend an integrative because they will check everything and if hormones are needed, they can prescribe.

 

[DinosaurMuffins]

I would look up an Endocrinologist that works with women and hormone therapy, and is familiar with Testosterone therapy for Women. That way they can run her blood work and dial it in on proper doses. I will say most women usually do get a libido boost from Test, but female doses are usually really low.
That is an interesting study, though, and first time I’ve seen that.

If only it was that easy... She doesn't feel like anything is wrong with the fact she doesn't masturbate, doesn't have fantasies, does initiate sex, and doesn't have drive because its a hormone thing. She doesn't know what she doesn't know is I guess my point so she is resistant to doing anything about it.

Meanwhile, it is tearing our marriage apart and honestly, I feel sad for her. One of life's greatest pleasures and she doesn't even know she is missing it. So she is reluctant to do **** about her situation. I am having to have a therapist convince her she should even try here. So easier said than done.

 

[DinosaurMuffins]

Appreciate the advice, everyone.

My last post does sum it up.

She doesn't understand what she is missing because she doesn't know. She doesn't have any desire, want, thoughts, anything.... So its hard to convince her something wrong when she feels she isn't missing anything. Meanwhile this isn't my first marriage and isn't my first relationship. She should be wanting sex in some capacaity.

Notes to be clear
*mental health is good
*physical health is good 5'6 120lbs lifts with me 3 days a week.
*no abuse
*I get her off although it takes some damn work. (usually not that hard in my experience)
*We have a good life
* low stress
* we are well off, zero money issues. Like not even close.

So IDK fellas.... Just trying to figure this out but atleast I have the therapist on my side.

 

[gphagan1]

Yeah that’s a tough one man, with her not wanting to do anything about it. You probably are going about it the best way you can with therapy. Hopefully her therapist can help convince her to at least try to get help.

 

[Smont]

If only it was that easy... She doesn't feel like anything is wrong with the fact she doesn't masturbate, doesn't have fantasies, does initiate sex, and doesn't have drive because its a hormone thing. She doesn't know what she doesn't know is I guess my point so she is resistant to doing anything about it.

Meanwhile, it is tearing our marriage apart and honestly, I feel sad for her. One of life's greatest pleasures and she doesn't even know she is missing it. So she is reluctant to do **** about her situation. I am having to have a therapist convince her she should even try here. So easier said than done.

I really think a lot of her issue is brain related more then hormones going by what your describing. Obviously I'm not a expert on female libido but that would be my somewhat educated guess.

Libido is drivin by so many different things thst it can be very difficult to pinpoint what it is.

Men are even worse. Men can have a raging Libido and suffer from total ED at the same time. The action of achieving a erection is one of if not the most complicated actions in the human body because of how many things play a role

 

[NoAddedHmones]

I know a few females on testosterone and they only use 5mg per week

i agree with your points around any administration of testosterone to females. But pinning 5 mg vs consuming test und orally is apples and oranges when factoring in bioavailability and elimination.

 

[Smont]

i agree with your points around any administration of testosterone to females. But pinning 5 mg vs consuming test und orally is apples and oranges when factoring in bioavailability.

I'm not disagreeing at all nor did I say it was the same. I was just saying the dose that I know a few females use. I wouldn't put my girl on any dose of anything tho, I'd let a Dr. Figure that out with extensive bloodwork. I definitely wouldn't want to pick a dose I read in a study and have her start taking it. It might work wonderfully, or it might grow her clit into a micropenis

 

[Stacks1]

First thing to keep in mind is that libido is only partially due to hormone balance, so don't expect miracles.

Never underestimate the power of placebo. If people think they're on something that will increase their libido, then there is a decent chance it will. Works the other way as well when people hop on AAS and convince themselves their dick doesn't work anymore. Not saying that hormones don't play a key factor but let's not pretend the mind doesn't as well.

 

[Beau]

If only it was that easy... She doesn't feel like anything is wrong with the fact she doesn't masturbate, doesn't have fantasies, does initiate sex, and doesn't have drive because its a hormone thing. She doesn't know what she doesn't know is I guess my point so she is resistant to doing anything about it.

Meanwhile, it is tearing our marriage apart and honestly, I feel sad for her. One of life's greatest pleasures and she doesn't even know she is missing it. So she is reluctant to do **** about her situation. I am having to have a therapist convince her she should even try here. So easier said than done.

First, I feel your pain. I endured a sexual albatross for 27 years. She was awful. No effort, nothing spicy, nothing ... and we had a million conversations about it. I think she used it as a means of control. Eventually I resented her so much because, even though I truly tried everything, she never made any effort. But she would do anything to attract attention to herself from everyone else.

Counseling didn't help. She was a narcissist and thought she was entitled to anything and everything, without making any effort. After years of making requests, I finally just gave up and focused my energy away from her and to my kids and my job. Even though I am the most anti-divorce person you'd ever meet - I eventually divorced her. If it wasn't for my kids, I would have exited the relationship at least 20 years prior to that.

Its sad, the few minutes of effort that she would never put in eventually aggregated to enough hurt and dissatisfaction that it killed my regard for her. She was the single most selfish person I have ever met. I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

 

[DinosaurMuffins]

First, I feel your pain. I endured a sexual albatross for 27 years. She was awful. No effort, nothing spicy, nothing ... and we had a million conversations about it. I think she used it as a means of control. Eventually I resented her so much because, even though I truly tried everything, she never made any effort. But she would do anything to attract attention to herself from everyone else.

Counseling didn't help. She was a narcissist and thought she was entitled to anything and everything, without making any effort. After years of making requests, I finally just gave up and focused my energy away from her and to my kids and my job. Even though I am the most anti-divorce person you'd ever meet - I eventually divorced her. If it wasn't for my kids, I would have exited the relationship at least 20 years prior to that.

Its sad, the few minutes of effort that she would never put in eventually aggregated to enough hurt and dissatisfaction that it killed my regard for her. She was the single most selfish person I have ever met. I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

Thanks, man. I appreciate you relating to this. I feel like a lot of people don't understand until you are going through it. If counseling doesn't work I have already committed to myself that I will leave. I am still young enough to find myself a mid (or young) 30s that is down 5 times a week.

 

[johnny412]

Appreciate the advice, everyone.

My last post does sum it up.

She doesn't understand what she is missing because she doesn't know. She doesn't have any desire, want, thoughts, anything.... So its hard to convince her something wrong when she feels she isn't missing anything. Meanwhile this isn't my first marriage and isn't my first relationship. She should be wanting sex in some capacaity.

Notes to be clear
*mental health is good
*physical health is good 5'6 120lbs lifts with me 3 days a week.
*no abuse
*I get her off although it takes some damn work. (usually not that hard in my experience)
*We have a good life
* low stress
* we are well off, zero money issues. Like not even close.

So IDK fellas.... Just trying to figure this out but atleast I have the therapist on my side.

does she take antidepressants?

 

[Beau]

Thanks, man. I appreciate you relating to this. I feel like a lot of people don't understand until you are going through it. If counseling doesn't work I have already committed to myself that I will leave. I am still young enough to find myself a mid (or young) 30s that is down 5 times a week.

Understood - but if you have children with her, that will (should) changes things - since if they exist - they will need a dad and you DO NOT want some other dude to raise your kids. Also, if you have not told her that you are nearing the walk away point, that would be the right thing to do.

 

[DinosaurMuffins]

does she take antidepressants?

No, no mental health, We eat organic, she eats really healthy, no processed stuff. No meds, just vit D

 

[DinosaurMuffins]

Understood - but if you have children with her, that will (should) changes things - since if they exist - they will need a dad and you DO NOT want some other dude to raise your kids. Also, if you have not told her that you are nearing the walk away point, that would be the right thing to do.

Yeah she knows im more serious but how serious she thinks it is probably isn't aligned.

Yes I have two young kids. I don't want another dude raising them. Good point...

I just don't knwo where that leaves me. By the time the kids are more grown ill be in my 50s.... So just skip out on the best years of my life for sex.... Thats a fucking sad thought.

 

[DinosaurMuffins]

You might want to try a mixture of PT-141 and oxytocin. They're peptides so they'll need pinned under the skin or you can use BAC water and a good nasal sprayer, but that uses up more of the peptides per dose. Suzanne Summers at 76yrs old and her husband at 80+ supposedly get it on all the time using PT-141.

I like this idea although I read the nasal spray doesn't work worth ****. Atleast what I read online. I just feel like she won't be into it but I will suggest it.

Honestly the best choice here is PT 151. Its just getting her to try it honestly. Way better then fucking around with test.

 

[BBiceps]

I like this idea although I read the nasal spray doesn't work worth ****. Atleast what I read online. I just feel like she won't be into it but I will suggest it.

Honestly the best choice here is PT 151. Its just getting her to try it honestly. Way better then fucking around with test.

PT-141 is probably your best/safest bet and it should work as a nasal spray. It is probably a lot easier to have your wife use a spray than to inject something.

 

[DinosaurMuffins]

Yeah, I just need to find a trusted source for nasal spray. Any of the ones I have come across seem gimmicky. I have legit sources for injectables just not nasal spray. PMs welcome.

 

[DinosaurMuffins]

Mo

Most nasal sprays are over seas. You can order your PT-141 from your favorite peptide site, BAC water and a good glass sprayer from Amazon. You might even be able to get them at a drug store.

So you are saying that I can use the same stuff in the peptide injectible vials as I do in a nasal spray?

Mind blown if so.

 

[gphagan1]

So you are saying that I can use the same stuff in the peptide injectible vials as I do in a nasal spray?

Mind blown if so.

I haven’t had time to watch this, but thought this might interest you and others in here.

 

[Mikereyn513]

Was your wife like this before you got married or did it happen later or maybe over time or something

 

[Beau]

Yeah she knows im more serious but how serious she thinks it is probably isn't aligned.

Yes I have two young kids. I don't want another dude raising them. Good point...

I just don't knwo where that leaves me. By the time the kids are more grown ill be in my 50s.... So just skip out on the best years of my life for sex.... Thats a fucking sad thought.

I feel your pain. I did that very thing, out of my commitment to my kids. Looking back at what was kept from me, candidly, hurts. So, I don't.

 

[mase1]

The test pellet popular in South Florida, basically clinic for women that want you in the 200-300 range for test, progesterone over 200. Again not exactly sure on measuring units.

 

[BBiceps]

The test pellet popular in South Florida, basically clinic for women that want you in the 200-300 range for test, progesterone over 200. Again not exactly sure on measuring units.

I heard about that, an older lady (very hot for her age) at my work is going to some clinic in San Diego every 6 months. I didn’t ask her the specifics but she says it regulates her hormones and she feels a lot better than she did before the pellets.

 

[mase1]

The pellet is testosterone. They also give you progesterone sublingual. Check all your levels and add in vitamins to whatever blood work shows lacking. Professional.