TESTERS NEEDED-AX Herbal Hypertrophic

[c-los 21]

AX has a new Herbal Hypertrophic product about to be released. This will be beta testing for dosing. Now do not get discouraged with the word herbal. It should be a great product. Most of the first testers gained in average 9 lbs. It should be ErgoMax style gains. No matter how powerful this it, it will not be marketed as a pro-hormone so get used to Herbal Hypertrophic. Its non-methyl.
You will be sent the dosing and that is it. No profiles can be released as of yet for obvious reasons. This one will be copied by all of the imitators. So we are not giving any other info except that it has no liver toxicity, no aromatization and that this is the final testing.

*FOUR (4) TESTERS WILL RECEIVE 1 Bottle of Herbal Hypertrophic 1 bottle of AX RETAIN and AX PCT each.
*TESTERS will be Announced Sunday, Feb. 12 2006
(I will need you info. before Monday the 13th)


PLEASE READ THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION BEFORE APPLYING

1. Diet and training must be as consistent as possible.
2. Supplements/drugs that are specifically exluced:
-Supplements similar to the one you are testing - this primarily applies to supplements with the same ingredients.
-Steroids/prohormones (if you really want to use these, email me and we may be able to work something out)
-Any new supplements – i.e. this is not the time to try something new at the same time. Any supplements you are taking, you should've been taking regularly for a while at the same dose, and know how you react to it.
3. Although not a requirement, it is helpful to continue your log for a few days to a week after finishing testing the product, to see if there are residual effects.
4. Testers must initiate their logs no later than Thursday, Feb. 23 2006

TO QUALIFY:

• 1. Clean PH history. No hormonal products in your body for at least 3 months.

• 2. Have previous logs you can show. We want testers that can provide good data to the company. Positive or negative.

3. Needed info below






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-Age

-Sex

-Weight

-Training experience, personal history, etc.

-Present diet and training outline, what supplements are being taken

-Present goals

-Any and all prescription or recreational drugs you use that may alter results

– if you feel this interferes with your privacy, don't include it

-Anything else that may alter results – disabilities, conditions, life situations, etc.

-"Before" pictures are optional, but a BIG PLUS!

-Weight of your BEST LIFTS (bench, squat, deadlift, etc.)

-Any other information you feel is relevant



**The training log should be updated 4-7 times a week with the following information:**

1)-Date being logged/Date of cycle

2)-What you ate, how many calories, approximate macronutrient (protein/carbs/fat) amounts.

3)-Any supplements taken that weren't mentioned in your initial post, and when you took them.

4)-Any weight training – include each exercise, and sets and reps performed.

5)-Any cardiovascular or other exercise – include intensity and duration.

6)-Any comments you have on the product, side effects, impressions from the product, etc.

7)-Anything unordinary, that may or may not be due to the product – upset stomach, insomnia, irritability, indications of a negative reaction, etc. This may seem pointless, but often times many people will experience a side effect and not comment on it because they don't think it's from the product, but if multiple people report the same thing, this indicates that the product may have something to do with it.

UPDATE:
Providing the following information every 7 days:

-Weight
-Bodyfat measurment.
-Body part size measurements you wish to do.
-Lift-weight Increases
-Overall impressions from the product .
–how easy it was to use, what side effects you experienced, how well you thought it worked, etc.


FINAL PRODUCT ANALYSIS:
-Weight
-Bodyfat measurment.
-Body part size measurements you wish to do.
-Lift Increases/PRs/PBs
-Overall impressions from the product .
–how easy it was to use, what side effects you experienced, how well you thought it worked, etc.
-Whether or not you would use this product again
-Whether or not you would recommend this product
-How much you felt that inconsistencies in your diet, training, etc. interfered with an accurate evaluation of the product..be honest.
-Weights lifted/Increases on some of the major lifts near the end of the test



HOW TO GET CHOSEN:

• Post your stats and info listed above, links to previous logs.

• Number of posts and rep points have an influence either way, so don't be discouraged if your application is your first post.

NOMINATIONS and REFERRALS will be taken into consideration. We are looking fot tester that are dependable, honets and loyal to keeping and meeting our requirements.here.




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NO PMs, please email me or post your question(s) on this thread.

Thank you for your continued support towards Anabolic Xtreme!

 

[Sputnik]

here's my submission :study: . No problem at all in meeting the reporting criteria.

Age: 32

Sex: very sexy male

Weight: 163lbs

Training experience, personal history, etc: Weight training for 7 years. I concentrate on the core lifts, squats, deadlfits, cleans, bench, overhead press, snatch pulls etc etc.

Present diet and training outline, what supplements are being taken: cutting at the moment and as such have cut down volume and tried to set new PR’s on key lifts. Current supps include Xtend, HEAT/AMP, Sesathin, SuperCarb,multi, Ab-Solved

Present goals: currently cutting, but will be bulking up again soon. No specific weight target. Am looking to enter a powerlifting meet for the first time.

Any and all prescription or recreational drugs you use that may alter results: None

Anything else that may alter results – disabilities, conditions, life situations, etc: Nope.

"Before" pictures are optional, but a BIG PLUS!- I’ll try but no promises,wife doesn’t like me putting pics up on the web.

Weight of your BEST LIFTS (bench, squat, deadlift, etc.)

As of last week
Squat: All the way down, belt only, 365.2lbsx1, still had 11lbs in me
Deadlift: 408.1lbsx1, still had 22lbs in me
Bottom position close grip bench: 245.3lbsx1
Overhead Press: 200lbsx1

Have used SD, with average results and PP to gain 17lbs. Was going to try PP again or a PP/SD stack in a month. However, I’d be very interested to try this product first.

Logs
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/anabolics/37114-my-pheraplex-vs-sd-cycle.html
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/synergy-muscle/24330-salvs-c-amphibolic-log.html
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[poopypants]

id love to test but am currently on a test stack an dwont be off till march..... when is the projected start date like realistically with materials sentout and everything??

 

[krzna]

Please remember... stay off all other anabolics and for this to be an effective product, no ph use 3 months prior.

 

[dangetinthere]

Good Luck to the testers, I will be watching closely. Hopefully you guys have the kinks worked out so I can buy some of this stuff for my spring cut!

 

[BigSmith]

Good Luck to the testers, I will be watching closely. Hopefully you guys have the kinks worked out so I can buy some of this stuff for my spring cut!

Dan you look like a big guy. Stats?

 

[dangetinthere]

Dan you look like a big guy. Stats?

age: 21
weight:~ 210

have not taken measurements in a while so who knows.

 

[Rage (SoCal)]

Thank you for your consideration. Best of luck in finding testers.

-Age 21

-Sex M

-Weight 200lbs

-Training experience, personal history, etc. Began as a swimmer and water polo player in High School, was never into weights much. Then swam in College for two years but still didn’t focus on becoming more muscular. After having no formal structure I turned to the weight room. At first I concentrated on a lot of cardio in order to lose weight and fat. I lifted weights but never understood much about it. Starting about a year and a half ago I started to read about training, supplementation, and most importantly nutrition. Since then it has only became a sickness. I read on average at least 1.5 hours on everything body building related. I have also become almost obessessed with gaining mass. I have tried a few different programs, my own program that had no direction then started to understand concepts and basics more which led me to programs like Max-OT and HST.

-Present diet and training outline, what supplements are being taken I am eating under maintenance and as clean as I can. I eat a lot of tuna, a lot! of milk and cottage cheese, wheat bread, wheat pasta, ground beef, milk, milk, lean lunch meats, rice, beans, and chicken in just about any form I can find it (not including animal food). I’m currently wrapping up a run of Albuterol. As a staple of my supplement rotation I use Fish-Oil, Joint Formula, Multi, CLA, and Vitamin-C. I also use whey on an everyday basis and use Glucose and Creatine on lifting days.

-Present goals To become a lean (8-10%) 200lbs.

-Any and all prescription or recreational drugs you use that may alter results


NONE

– if you feel this interferes with your privacy, don't include it

-Anything else that may alter results – disabilities, conditions, life situations, etc.


The only thing I can think of it that I’m currently recovering from getting pain in my wrists. Fortunately, the healing process is going well and I have taken the necessary time out of the weight room in order to compliment the healing process. I plan to only take 1 more week off and start things off slow in the weight room. I must mention that while I lifted I had no problems or pain in my wrists but rather most of this was experienced at work. I have since acquired wrists braces which I use religiously.


-"Before" pictures are optional, but a BIG PLUS!


I’m very good with pictures and can provide them on request.

-Weight of your BEST LIFTS (bench, squat, deadlift, etc.)


Bench 275lbs 1 rep
DB Press 105s x 6
Squat 365lbs x7
Deadlift 315lbs x 5
Shoulder Press DBs 85lbs x 6


-Any other information you feel is relevant

I feel as I would be a great candidate as I’m very intoned with my body and the reaction that occur within it. I have a clean slate when it comes to AAS or PH use. I will keep a detailed log with relevant information and have no problem in keeping things with training and diet consistent. I’m extremely intrinsically motivated to achieve the goals I have set for myself (ultimately to be a very lean 220lbs – years to come). I will give a clean and fair run. I’ll also be willing to adhere of every requirement and expectation of the log. I must add that this run of mine would be a recomp of sort since I will not be focusing on shattering personal bests as far as weights are concerned. My diet will be somewhere within 1-300 calories of maintenance or at maintenance. I’m very flexible with this but I have learned my lesson and have become more in tuned with my body in the recent past. You can out eat anything and everything starts with your diet and of course many variables lie in this. I will do my best to achieve optimal results without adding much fat….that will be my mission.


I also have access to measurements.




I have done logs on BB.com but have done two on AM


http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/39037-rage-gets-albuterol-ed.html

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/37976-oratropin-1-oral-igf-1-log.html

 

[c-los 21]

id love to test but am currently on a test stack an dwont be off till march..... when is the projected start date like realistically with materials sentout and everything??

We would like testers to begin their logs no later than the 23rd of this month.

 

[brogers]

Do you guys have any knowledge of it's effects on cholesterol? I'm assuming since it's non methyl it will be very mild, no?

 

[Apowerz6]

C-los why, why have you done this??? If I had of known about this I would have waited before i started my pp cycle a week ago, and i would have had 3 months clean time form Dec-Feb... why, why, why ???:twisted:

 

[poopypants]

We would like testers to begin their logs no later than the 23rd of this month.

Thank you sir! well it looks like i'll have to sit this one out then..... bummer.... maye youll need some extra feedback after the initial testing, haha, im sure you guys will be comin out with some counter part or all new compound besides this sooner or later so i'll get a chance sometime.

GOOD LUCK to all the testers..... keep some good logs guys, really interested to see what this can do!

 

[wastedwhiteboy2]

I dont qualify but am interested in following the logs.

 

[ivydude]

Age: 23

-Sex: Male

-Weight: approximately 185, about 5’ 9’’, ecto-meso build, more towards the ecto side unfortunately

-Training experience, personal history, etc.
I am currently in the midst of a fairly strict 10 week Westside program with the goals of improving my primary lifts by May to compete in an APA meet. I rotate volume weekly (high-medium-very high-low), ME exercises weekly, and assistance work every 3-4 works. If chosen I would primarily like to see strength gains from herbal hypertrophic, but I wouldn’t mind some more size either!

I have been training for approximately 6 years now, and have done a variety of workout routines over the years, including HST and DC training.

-Present diet and training outline, what supplements are being taken


Diet (example of present diet):
1. 2 Eggs & ham, 1.5 cups oatmeal, 2 scoops ON protein (occasionally add in extra carbs here, i.e. wheat English muffin)
2. Cottage cheese and apple/cheerios
3. (No-Salt) Turkey Sandwich on wheat
4. 7 oz. chicken, 2 wheat English muffins, 1 with PB
5. Pre-workout shake and cup of oats
6. Post-workout shake and 1.5 cups of oats
7. Chicken/Fish/Steak and broccoli/spinach (cooked in olive oil) or whole wheat pasta depending on carb consumption to that point
8. Cottage cheese or small steak
9. Bedtime shake 1.5 scoops (micellar matrix)

snacks: celery, almonds, non-salted cashews

Training (Westside-currently in week 5)
This is an example of what I’m doing in my program from a high volume week. In addition I do some form of GPP twice a week and grip work using COC grippers once per week.

Monday: ME LB
1. Rack Deads-6” off the ground (sets of 3, sets of 1)à 10-12 sets
2. GHRs- 3 x 6-8
3. 1 Legged Squats- 3 x 8
4. Weighted LB extensions 3 x 8
5. Abs 3 sets

Wednesday: ME Bench
1. 3 Board Press (med. Grip, sets of 3, sets of 1)-8 total
2. Bent over BB rows 3x 6-8
3. Floor Skullcrushers 3x 6-8
4. Preacher Curl 3 x 8
5. Prehab RC Work

Friday: DE LB
1. Box Squat (parallel-50%): 12 sets, 2 reps, 45 s. between sets
2. BB Lunges 3 x 8-12
3. SLDLs 3 sets
4. Pull-throughs 3 x 12-15
5. Calves 3 sets

Sunday: DE Bench
1. Dynamic Bench-50%, 8 sets, 3 reps, 30 s. between sets
2. CG BB 3 x 6-8
3. Cable Rows 3 x 8-10
4. Chest-supported Rows 3 x 6-8
5. Shoulders-lying DB flyes


Supplements:
-100% Whey Protein
-Micellar Matrix Protein
-Liver Tabs
-Fish Oils
-Multi-vitamin
-B-complex
-Vitamin C
-Was about to start CEE, AAKG, and taurine supplementation, but I wouldn’t if chosen


-Present goals
To increase my 3 main compound lifts while not getting fat as hell in the process. Ideally I would like to compete at 165, and I don’t anticipate having a problem weighing that much despite my weight now. However, it would be nice to decrease carb consumption somewhat as I believe in maintaining a healthy physique while powerlifting. Specifically I would like gains of +20 for deads, + 10 for bench, and +20 for squats over the course of the next few months.

-Any and all prescription or recreational drugs you use that may alter results
None

-Anything else that may alter results – disabilities, conditions, life situations, etc.


I should also note that I have tendonitis in my left elbow and shoulder, and am constantly battling though it, but lately my pre-hab work has been significantly helping my shoulder to the point where I have no pain there.

-"Before" pictures are optional, but a BIG PLUS!

I workout with glenihan and I think he has a digital camera so maybe I could get him to take a few. I’d also like to get a few videos of my lifts, equipment permitting.

-Weight of your BEST LIFTS (bench, squat, deadlift, etc.)

RAW Lifts, competition style form:

Dead: 505 (this is current)
Bench: 305 (this is from August…my current bench is about 10 lbs. off)
Squat: 425 (haven’t maxed out since August)

Other lifts of note:
SL Dead: 405
DB Bench: 120sx 6, gym doesn’t have any heavier DBs
Box Squat 1” below parallel with chains: 486 lbs. at the top (did at Southside gym last month)

 

[swole210]

We would like testers to begin their logs no later than the 23rd of this month.

Hey C-los! Well I was going to apply, but I will not be off for 3 months quite yet by the end of Feb, more like March. So I guess this puts me out of range bro:frustrate! But let me know if maybe I can still apply, but I am sure you are going to get an over abbundance of testers applying. Thanks bro!

 

[Brent]

When can we expect this product to be out on the market?

 

[rfish1966]

still need testers?

 

[Sputnik]

c-los

u mention initial testers gained on average about 9lbs. We they all on a bulk? Wondering what the results would be for someone at maintenance. In my app. above I suggested I'd be on a bulk, but I would consider doign it at maintenance instead. lemme know.

 

[c-los 21]

Hey C-los! Well I was going to apply, but I will not be off for 3 months quite yet by the end of Feb, more like March. So I guess this puts me out of range bro:frustrate! But let me know if maybe I can still apply, but I am sure you are going to get an over abbundance of testers applying. Thanks bro!

Apply
You might be such a great candidate, that maybe we will be able to make exceptions.

 

[c-los 21]

still need testers?

Yes.
We will accept and consider applicants up until we announce the official testers, which will be this Sunday.

 

[c-los 21]

c-los

u mention initial testers gained on average about 9lbs. We they all on a bulk? Wondering what the results would be for someone at maintenance. In my app. above I suggested I'd be on a bulk, but I would consider doign it at maintenance instead. lemme know.

Let me get back to you on that.
I need to run it by AX.

 

[Sputnik]

cool amigo.

I'll test it either way, but you may want different scenarios is all.

 

[swole210]

Apply
You might be such a great candidate, that maybe we will be able to make exceptions.

Awesome C-los!! THANKS BRO!

 

[swole210]

cool amigo.

I'll test it either way, but you may want different scenarios is all.

Good point Salv!

 

[Sputnik]

always trying bud, always trying :dance:

 

[Rage (SoCal)]

Maybe I forgot to mention but I'm interested in doing this for a cutting cycle (of course this is flexible) but I figured other testers would be bulking. It would be interesting to see what happens at maintenance caloric intake.

 

[cable626]

I'm a natural lifter, as I'm still 19 years old. I don't do any steroids/PH's, but I don't quite understand the "Herbal Hypertrophic". I know that you, c-los, might not be able to comment, but if someone else might be able to tell me if this will take away from my natural status, I'll take my name out of the hat.

Here's my app:

Past log: USPLabs PowerFULL Invalid Link Removed

Diet: Invalid Link Removed
Meals are planned out according to excel file (on leg day I'll usually have an extra 200 cals from yogurt though)
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Training will be changed to WSB on February 13th with 2 ME days and 2 DE days.
Cardio: 20 min HIIT after workouts, 3 days per week.

Current Stats:
5'7, 160lbs at 13%bf
Current Supps: Multi-Vitamin, CEE, green tea, alcar on occasion
Past Steroid/PH Use: Never
Alcohol/Tobacco/Recreational Drugs: None
Sleep: 9-10 hours per night
Other Info: Ask Bobo about how much time I spend on this site, it's sad... I spend a lot of time reading and learning from this site and others. I'm very anal when it comes to diet and training, just like everything else in my life. If I don't do it perfectly I wouldn't bother doing it at all.

 

[c-los 21]

C-los why, why have you done this??? If I had of known about this I would have waited before i started my pp cycle a week ago, and i would have had 3 months clean time form Dec-Feb... why, why, why ???:twisted:

But how's that PP treating you?
Either way, I will most def. keep you in mind after the first initial runs. We might get creative and want unique cycles with HH, I'll drop you a line to see if you're available and still interested.

 

[c-los 21]

When can we expect this product to be out on the market?

If all goes as planned and on schedule, expect to see Herbal Hypertrophic available late in March.

 

[tattoopierced1]

what if you are on HRT...does that disqualify you?

 

[c-los 21]

c-los

u mention initial testers gained on average about 9lbs. We they all on a bulk? Wondering what the results would be for someone at maintenance. In my app. above I suggested I'd be on a bulk, but I would consider doign it at maintenance instead. lemme know.

Yes, they were on a bulking phase.

Maybe I forgot to mention but I'm interested in doing this for a cutting cycle (of course this is flexible) but I figured other testers would be bulking. It would be interesting to see what happens at maintenance caloric intake.]

I too was wondering what effects HH would have under a low cal. diet, but for now we would like to determine HH's effects and potency under an increased calorie diet.
In the future, we will look for different strategies, cutting phases and stacks with HH, but for now weed need testers who can maintain increased calories.

I don't want to lose you guys because of this, I hope both of you are still interested in the testing.

 

[Apowerz6]

C-los ,as usual the PP is good, and working well even though I am cutting, i have gained 2lbs, with minor bloat since incorporarting 6oxo at 300mgs nightly. Def looking leaner, as so far I am cutting with no diet aids besides pp. Please keep me in mind for the HH and PP stack in near future, and if its good like people are saying I would not mind running it alone.

 

[Rage (SoCal)]

I would definetely be willing to do 500 cals above maintenance. Would this be enough? I would do more but I should mention I would adjust based on fat increase. Also, what kind of PCT and supporting supps are we looking at here?

 

[Sputnik]

Yes, they were on a bulking phase.

Maybe I forgot to mention but I'm interested in doing this for a cutting cycle (of course this is flexible) but I figured other testers would be bulking. It would be interesting to see what happens at maintenance caloric intake.]

I too was wondering what effects HH would have under a low cal. diet, but for now we would like to determine HH's effects and potency under an increased calorie diet.
In the future, we will look for different strategies, cutting phases and stacks with HH, but for now weed need testers who can maintain increased calories.

I don't want to lose you guys because of this, I hope both of you are still interested in the testing.

Don't worry I'm still up for a bulk as I initially planned, only suggested maintenance in case u wanted different scenarios. So more than happy too.

 

[c-los 21]

I would definetely be willing to do 500 cals above maintenance. Would this be enough? I would do more but I should mention I would adjust based on fat increase. Also, what kind of PCT and supporting supps are we looking at here?

Glad to have you on board.
500cals above seems right.
For PCT, we will provide you with AX PCT and AX Retain. As of now, we are not rec. the use of any supporting supplements, if anything changes, I'll let you guys know.

 

[c-los 21]

Don't worry I'm still up for a bulk as I initially planned, only suggested maintenance in case u wanted different scenarios. So more than happy too.

Sounds good....and that was a great idea BTW, we'll most likely do that with future HH trials.

 

[Sputnik]

hmmm so testers will need to do PCT...interesting :think: ...this has got to be a pretty potent herb or herbal formula

 

[ersatz]

hmmm so testers will need to do PCT...interesting :think: ...this has got to be a pretty potent herb or herbal formula

erm...uh...yea, potent herb. Hence the need for pct. Just a new marketing term to further confuse the consumer, lol. At least it ain't methylated. Also is anyone gonna get some bloodwork done. I have bw from my new years physical so if a tester falls through let me know.

 

[Sputnik]

bud, i was just being a goose and stating the bleeding obvious...there have been however, some herbal anablic supps lately that haven't require PCT, so HH must be extremely potent

 

[ersatz]

I just wanted to make sure people knew it was a ph and all the inherent risks(however exaggerated) that go with it. It's because of these other herbal anabolics like ActivaTe or Diesel Test that people may become confused and not take the proper precautions.

 

[poopypants]

I just wanted to make sure people knew it was a ph and all the inherent risks(however exaggerated) that go with it. It's because of these other herbal anabolics like ActivaTe or Diesel Test that people may become confused and not take the proper precautions.

i think stating it requires PCT is all encompasing over the topic at hand and its not needed to blatently go about spiiting off that its really just a steroid instead of an herbal anabolic like they said it was..... all your accomplishing this way is the publication to the masses that we now need to get rid of anything made from herbs cause it might really actually have naturally occuring anabolic properties that if taken wisely could we benifit from it as BBers and many people with problems with anabolism could quite possibly be safe with something like this thats unmethylated and not a straight up man made chemical...... no need to fuel the fire man, just take it for what it is and enjoy it, everyone knows whats up no need to state the obvious. with that :burger: enjoy !

 

[Rage (SoCal)]

C-los, would this product effect using something like PP two months later? Or would that be a bad idea? Thanks.

 

[colkurtz_spf]

what if you are on HRT...does that disqualify you?

bump on this question.

 

[c-los 21]

C-los, would this product effect using something like PP two months later? Or would that be a bad idea? Thanks.

Not at all. I doubt it will diminish PP effects or potentcy. I will confirm this for you.

 

[c-los 21]

what if you are on HRT...does that disqualify you?

You got PM.

 

[c-los 21]

erm...uh...yea, potent herb. Hence the need for pct. Just a new marketing term to further confuse the consumer, lol. At least it ain't methylated. Also is anyone gonna get some bloodwork done. I have bw from my new years physical so if a tester falls through let me know.

We do have 2 or 3 testers that will make an effort to have full blood work done. But want to get a large variety of blood work feedback. So if you are interested, I would appreciate it if you applied and Blood Work is a BIG plus

 

[c-los 21]

bump on this question.

I PM'd the answer....we cannot accept testers on any type of HRT.

 

[c-los 21]

I just wanted to make sure people knew it was a ph and all the inherent risks(however exaggerated) that go with it. It's because of these other herbal anabolics like ActivaTe or Diesel Test that people may become confused and not take the proper precautions.

Anytime one increases a hypertrophic level there is some anti-hypertrophic response by the body (high or low, but there at some level). As such, it is always best to make sure that all natural pro-hypertrophic hormones are at their best post cycle, thus PCT for stimulation intent.

 

[Moyer]

How long will the cycles/tests last?

 

[swole210]

i think stating it requires PCT is all encompasing over the topic at hand and its not needed to blatently go about spiiting off that its really just a steroid instead of an herbal anabolic like they said it was..... all your accomplishing this way is the publication to the masses that we now need to get rid of anything made from herbs cause it might really actually have naturally occuring anabolic properties that if taken wisely could we benifit from it as BBers and many people with problems with anabolism could quite possibly be safe with something like this thats unmethylated and not a straight up man made chemical...... no need to fuel the fire man, just take it for what it is and enjoy it, everyone knows whats up no need to state the obvious. with that :burger: enjoy !

DING, DING , DING , DING!!! Exactly what Poopy said! Lets not try and help them (govt) take everything away from us! Keep it on the DL!