Test with everything in it?
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vidapreta
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Whichever way is the more effective way to inject Sustanon is one thing. But saying it was designed to be injected EOD is completely wrong. Sustanon 250 was designed to be a trt/hrt drug that I believe was supposed to be injected once a month which supposedly gave you a long steady flow of testosterone. Again whether it actually lasted that long in the system is debatable. But saying it was designed to be injected frequently is wrong.
You are probably too young to know these things.
AnabolicHolic
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The third stooge has arrived! LOL! I believe you three are the same person......matter of fact I am certain of it. Do you three follow me around on purpose, and intentionally spread this misinformation? Or is it totally by chance? Hey, Wallow in your ignorance....I do not care!
and I'll take that bet, loser leaves the board....loser = younger person. I believe strongly I will win this one....same as I win the sust debate....12brother2
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Wow this heated up pretty fast... So do you think injecting this twice weekly would be good? It's his first cycle but he's been working out for 6 years. His stats are 6ft 215 probably 10-12% bf. I'm just not sure how much he should run. I've only done testE
AnabolicHolic
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Once per month! you saw what the geniuses posted right? Not sure why you even need to ask follow-ups? Hell, maybe tell him to follow the once every two months protocol, since he is a newbie and all
vidapreta
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The third stooge has arrived! LOL! I believe you three are the same person......matter of fact I am certain of it. Do you three follow me around on purpose, and intentionally spread this misinformation? Or is it totally by chance? Hey, Wallow in your ignorance....I do not care!
Hey man nothing against you personally. I'm just saying what is was created for was a convenient way to inject your trt dose... not bodybuilding or powerliftng dose. Just look it up and you'll see.
AnabolicHolic
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NO trt dose should be "once per month" or "once per two months".....there is no ester that has any sort of month or multi-week half-life. Viagra was created for cardiomyopathy patients, and now its a hard-on drug. Whatever the people who dreamed sust up intended it for? is certainly NOT the proper way to actually USE it for bodybuilding purposes (or trt for that matter). I can see twice per week dosing, M/TH, but this nonsense about once per week is straight BS. Even Cyp and enanthate should be injected twice per week to control E2 (for Trt'ers at least). But sust somehow can be injected once per week, makes no sense. Why bother then? as I said hours ago just go buy some cyp and inject it once per week....you are not utilizing the sust for what its best used for, multiple dosing weekly.
vidapreta
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Again like I said I didn't say it worked out that way but that was what was intended when they designed Sustanon 250 with the 4 different esters, an extended release trt injection. What is so hard to believe about that I mean they created the pellets for convenience right.
AnabolicHolic
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regardless.....these two are advocating and advising newbies that injecting sust once per week is ideal and how its best used. That is wrong, and its spreading misinformation.....just because decades ago some numbskull pharmaceutical guy dreamed up a multi-ester test that could be (miraculously) injected once per month or once every two months, that does not mean in the year 2013 these guys should be spreading misinformation. Sorry I'm calling out BS every time, people come here for sound advice, not history lessons about what some dimwit did/thought in 1980 or whatever. The whole "thats what it was created for" was a convenient way out of having said something not very smart. Plain and simple.
vidapreta
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Man you don't give an inch..lol
You said Sustanon was designed to be taken EOD and it wasn't. You maybe should've said it works best when injected eod. So you said the BS not me. History lesson over..lol
AnabolicHolic
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by "designed" I mean "how the ester profile is best utilized".....not how the pharmaceutical guy dreamed it up to be used, I have no use for what HE (or she) designed it for. Do we use ANYTHING as "designed" by the originators? AI's? Clomid? etc. etc.....they are still best utilized for controlling estrogen in men or kickstarting the HPTA for our purposes, which is all that matters on an anabolic discussion board....getting the best anabolic effect from whatever we use.
AnabolicHolic
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Well, this is pointing out the obvious for no apparent reason. Obviously if you are taking an AI you can inject once per week, the point is that if you DON'T want to use an AI (cycle or trt).....THEN you should inject twice a week to best manage estrogen issues.
vidapreta
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Well that's fine but when I read "Designed" I see the Websters dictionary version definition not AnabolicHolic's definition which means "how the ester profile is best utilized" my bad. So should we call it a night or keep on debating, because I'm pretty sure we could debate all night.
AnabolicHolic
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c'mon man....admit that the whole "it was actually designed for...." argument is a total cop-out
. THEN I'll leave it alone. The actual scientific and logical use for any medicine is what its "designed for".....not what some idiot creator thinks it was designed for, who cares about that? It's just an excuse for posting nonsense.
vidapreta
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c'mon man....admit that the whole "it was actually designed for...." argument is a total cop-out
I think we are somewhat alike in certain ways and I will NOT do that, because you said what you said and I stand by my argument.
AnabolicHolic
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You guys are found guilty of copping out as well as randomly harassing me and debating everything I say....despite the fact I am always correct (not always always, but always in regards to the stuff you guys try to debate me on). COURT DISMISSED !
AnabolicHolic
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You certainly took up for your cohorts did you not? and they said once per week works best....and for that matter "the creator guy" said once per month or bi-monthly was best. Soooooo.....yeah you kinda did say that in a roundabouts way when you horned in on their behalf...
vidapreta
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You guys are found guilty of copping out as well as randomly harassing me and debating everything I say....despite the fact I am always correct (not always always, but always in regards to the stuff you guys try to debate me on). COURT DISMISSED !
I think you're growing on me...kinda like mold.
vidapreta
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No I said right from the beginning whether or not weekly injections or eod injections are better is not my point. Go back and read my post. I have my own opinions. Like I said to you I would personally do 2x per week if it were me.
AnabolicHolic
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I think you're growing on me...kinda like mold.
The fungus amongus? lol
AnabolicHolic
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vidapreta
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Sure, why not. I'm still gonna correct any "misinformations" I see though
Oh and don't you worry I'll be doing exactly the same with anyone misusing any "definitions" of words from the Websters Dictionary.
AnabolicHolic
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Oh and don't you worry I'll be doing exactly the same with anyone misusing any "definitions" of words from the Websters Dictionary.
Does anybody actually use Sustanon by Organon anymore? If not, then the UG formulations were definitely "designed" for the use that I detailed in this very discussion....oooh! gotcha there! lol
That being said I used Karachi sust back in the day, and we never injected once per week either, no matter what "that guy who created it" said. I guess the best thing to say would be "kids today!"......" or "Kids today, using design ideas from when they weren't even born!" lol ok I'll stop now....
vidapreta
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Does anybody actually use Sustanon by Organon anymore? If not, then the UG formulations were definitely "designed" for the use that I detailed in this very discussion....oooh! gotcha there! lol
Ok very good points...Now you need to download an online dictionary to your ipad. Alright I will stop now goodnight.
AnabolicHolic
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Ok very good points...Now you need to download an online dictionary to your ipad. Alright I will stop now goodnight.
I wish I had an iPad! I have an I touch and a droid and a MacBook and a PC laptop....I could download it on one of those... Or perhaps not. Sleep tight, don't let the bedbugs bite!
nelson44bears
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Ok very good points...Now you need to download an online dictionary to your ipad. Alright I will stop now goodnight.
Lol my god...started with best use of sustanon and somehow got diluted to websters dictionary. Vida, your desperation for an inkling of pull in this argument is amusing, and that's probably a nice word to use. Just give it up man, anabolic knows what the **** he is talking about. And with all your talk of using sus once a week, It seems you're no PA. Or ****ing Webster for that matter.
Lukef2000
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I have no idea how this conversation got to this point. Sus has prop in it, short acting ester which needs to be Injected EOD at the outside to maintain stable blood levels. Once a week dosing is effing stupid way to run sust. You will never get stable blood levels injecting once a week. Talk about a hormonal roller coaster. For some people to quickly say others need to research I've seen a severe lack of knowledge to back themselves up. Anabolicholic your absolutely right man I agree 100% 
AnabolicHolic
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For some reason there is a small contingent of posters who feel the need to be contrary to whatever i post....despite the fact they are 100% wrong. either that or they truly believe what they post? if so....God help them
stephenj37826
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Why then did they create suston? I mean a pharmaceutical company developed a test mix that hasto be shot eod. It has short to long esters to give even blood levels with once every 8 days dosing. Have you read the profile for sustanon?
lukehayd
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Does anybody actually use Sustanon by Organon anymore? If not, then the UG formulations were definitely "designed" for the use that I detailed in this very discussion....oooh! gotcha there! lol
Just my $.02 here: If a product is designed to do one thing but is found to work in another area, it was still designed for the original use but adopted for use in the other way. That is all.
Lukef2000
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As vida pointed out it was created as a trt drug to be pinned every 3 weeks or whatever it is but we don't use it for its original purpose, we use it as a steroid and as such dosing is different than trt.
AnabolicHolic
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It's best just to nod your head and not even acknowledge this nonsense anymore
let them think they "got the last word" or think they were "right".
MuscleGauge1
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This was an amusing argument. Lol and it all started with talk about sust... Lol it's a great product when used correctly and dosed properly. I use it all the time. I really enjoy the gains I get from it. I stack my other supps and i haven't had a problem yet.
stephenj37826
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I've used Sus up to 750 mg and once every 8 days I had no " test flu" like when dosing twice per week.
Little_Dude
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T-decanate:200mg - Ester weight 65% - Actual Test: 130mg
T-iscaproate:30mg- Ester weight 75% - Actual Test: 22.5mg
T-phenylpropionate:40mg- Ester weight 67% - Actual Test: 26.8mg
T-propionate:30mg- Ester Weight 83% - Actual Test: 25mg
T-cypionate:50mg- Ester weight 70% - Actual Test: 35mg
T-enthate:50mg- Ester weight 73% - Actual Test: 36mg
Total actual Test: 275mg/ml pretty standard but blood levels will be all over the place so ED pinning EOD at the very least I would recommend.
T-iscaproate:30mg- Ester weight 75% - Actual Test: 22.5mg
T-phenylpropionate:40mg- Ester weight 67% - Actual Test: 26.8mg
T-propionate:30mg- Ester Weight 83% - Actual Test: 25mg
T-cypionate:50mg- Ester weight 70% - Actual Test: 35mg
T-enthate:50mg- Ester weight 73% - Actual Test: 36mg
Total actual Test: 275mg/ml pretty standard but blood levels will be all over the place so ED pinning EOD at the very least I would recommend.
AnabolicHolic
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A certain contingent on here will never surrender to logic and science
but yeah, they must like rollercoaster rides with this EW or E8day or Emonth dosing, this is the reason sust clones suck! 
Little_Dude
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A certain contingent on here will never surrender to logic and science
Well pretty hard to argue with exact numbers so lets see what happens.
AnabolicHolic
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They will laugh at you and your scientific explanations and formulas, and proceed to tell you that the sky isn't blue (because some guy from antiquity who claims to have created the sky said so a thousand years ago)
Little_Dude
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They will laugh at you and your scientific explanations and formulas, and proceed to tell you that the sky isn't blue (because some guy from antiquity who claims to have created the sky said so a thousand years ago)
I am slowly starting to see this pattern with this site.
AnabolicHolic
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hahahaha! It's just a small contingent though....don't throw the site out with the bath water, or something like that
Little_Dude
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Haha fair enough no worse than any where else I have found to post on. Although just out of curiosity why is there such a massive love and following for PH here. I have never seen so many people all for them in one place.
macdady
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Lotta people don't do test cause its illegal lol so they go for the next best thing... its better to have a place with loads of people well versed in them to educate people about them than to have idiots run around messing themselves up
Little_Dude
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Fair enough. Guess never thought about that I just hated them messed me up horribly for some reason I don't get half the neg sides I saw from PH.
AnabolicHolic
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I think there are a lot of companies that support the board that produce PH...or at least there was...so consequently there is a helluva lot more talk about PH than a site where there are few sponsors who produce PH. Then there is a snowball effect since people will flock to the "PH board" to get PH information....