Test vs SARMS for women

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I have been taking test cypionate for a few years now. I love the energy and brain clarity it gives me but I’ve started to get a few side effects that I am not wanting. I see a few hairs on my chin that I definitely do not want as well as a small bald spot on my head. So, I am looking into other options. I’ve seen that SARMS (Ostarine, Cardarine and LGD-4033) are legal again in the US. Since Anavar is not an option for me here I am considering a SARMS. What are your thoughts/suggestions?
I am 5’3 and 135 pounds, short and stalky :)
I would love to find something that will help me get more lean be bulking any more. TIA
 
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are you a troll or a woman?
 

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I have been taking test cypionate for a few years now. I love the energy and brain clarity it gives me but I’ve started to get a few side effects that I am not wanting. I see a few hairs on my chin that I definitely do not want as well as a small bald spot on my head. So, I am looking into other options. I’ve seen that SARMS (Ostarine, Cardarine and LGD-4033) are legal again in the US. Since Anavar is not an option for me here I am considering a SARMS. What are your thoughts/suggestions?
I am 5’3 and 135 pounds, short and stalky :)
I would love to find something that will help me get more lean be bulking any more. TIA
hey OP,

yeah test cyp isn’t the option if you want to avoid masculine sides, enlarged clitoris etc.

anavar is the staple for women but as you say that’s not an option.

sarms haven’t been around long enough for us to really know what the side effects. For women osta is popular and is that mild it’s not a bad option but it’s also really mild and you won’t get much from it.

I was actually listening to a podcast the other day where nandrolone was suggested for women as you produce higher amounts of it naturally when pregnant (I.e your body is equipped to deal with it and ultilise it) - but that’s only what I heard, not anything I’ve researched.

HGH is another way to go. Fat loss and some muscle gain off that for sure.

clenbuterol is also very effective for women and mildly anabolic
 
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If test has been an option, I am assuming you do not have a prescription, then why are traditional anabolics not an option?

If my wife wanted to run something OTC then ostarine and maybe a low dose of 1-andro or 11-keto. None of those are very androgenic. We would start with very low doses and work from there.

How much test were you on? I am surprised you made it two years without any sides, that is very lucky.

If you do go traditional anabolics get a test kit as for you it really does matter if the var is var and not dbol being passed off. Same goes for stuff like primo, lots of test prop out there being sold as primo.
 
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If test has been an option, I am assuming you do not have a prescription, then why are traditional anabolics not an option?

If my wife wanted to run something OTC then ostarine and maybe a low dose of 1-andro or 11-keto. None of those are very androgenic. We would start with very low doses and work from there.

How much test were you on? I am surprised you made it two years without any sides, that is very lucky.

If you do go traditional anabolics get a test kit as for you it really does matter if the var is var and not dbol being passed off. Same goes for stuff like primo, lots of test prop out there being sold as primo.


I do get Test as a script from my doctor. I had thyroid issues in the past so a previous dr I had put me on it for the low energy, weight gain, joint pain and brain fog that comes with low thyroid. It also helped increase my thyroid levels so now it’s pretty normal with low dose of natural thyroid meds. I take .05ml weekly of test cypionate -MCT 100mg/1ml. Honestly I don’t even take that per week because I don’t want to start looking manly.
I say Anavar is not an option because I highly doubt my new dr will prescribe for aesthetic reasons but I haven’t even asked yet. No luck finding it anywhere else (I’m in the US).
 
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I do get Test as a script from my doctor. I had thyroid issues in the past so a previous dr I had put me on it for the low energy, weight gain, joint pain and brain fog that comes with low thyroid. It also helped increase my thyroid levels so now it’s pretty normal with low dose of natural thyroid meds. I take .05ml weekly of test cypionate -MCT 100mg/1ml. Honestly I don’t even take that per week because I don’t want to start looking manly.
I say Anavar is not an option because I highly doubt my new dr will prescribe for aesthetic reasons but I haven’t even asked yet. No luck finding it anywhere else (I’m in the US).
Honestly, if I were you, having already experienced some masculine side effects, I wouldn't run any traditional Anabolics/Androgens.

You already nudged it a little too far in that direction (going by what you wrote), and I wouldn't want to do anything to keep that going.

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If test has been an option, I am assuming you do not have a prescription, then why are traditional anabolics not an option?

If my wife wanted to run something OTC then ostarine and maybe a low dose of 1-andro or 11-keto. None of those are very androgenic. We would start with very low doses and work from there.

How much test were you on? I am surprised you made it two years without any sides, that is very lucky.

If you do go traditional anabolics get a test kit as for you it really does matter if the var is var and not dbol being passed off. Same goes for stuff like primo, lots of test prop out there being sold as primo.
Do NOT put your wife on 1-andro or 11KT. That stuff will be worse than 5mg weekly of testosterone I can promise you that! What is considered androgenic to a man and how a female metabolizes things are vastly different. Something like DMZ for example is grossly androgenic in a woman, although it can promote gyno in men solo due to lack of androgenic activity.

I do get Test as a script from my doctor. I had thyroid issues in the past so a previous dr I had put me on it for the low energy, weight gain, joint pain and brain fog that comes with low thyroid. It also helped increase my thyroid levels so now it’s pretty normal with low dose of natural thyroid meds. I take .05ml weekly of test cypionate -MCT 100mg/1ml. Honestly I don’t even take that per week because I don’t want to start looking manly.
I say Anavar is not an option because I highly doubt my new dr will prescribe for aesthetic reasons but I haven’t even asked yet. No luck finding it anywhere else (I’m in the US).
Your script is a good smart dose, but the truth is if you are getting sides you are getting sides.

If virilization (masculinization) is the top concern, you will want to consider taking 4-6 week breaks between 4-6 week cycles. Staying on any hormone continually can eventually cause changes without off time.

SARMs can be great options for women. Ostarine, LGD, S4 are worth your attention. Micro doses of those have worked well for women trying to recomp, bulk, & cut, respectively. Ostarine could go as high as 10mg, but I would be thinking more along the lines of about 3mg daily for these compounds. And S4 will need 2-3 shots daily, while Ostarine and LGD can be taken as far apart as every other day. MA Research, a board sponsor, sells them in sterile oil similar to your testosterone. You can also find 5 or 10mg Ostarine capsules out there if you would rather go that route, but stick to very low doses if trying LGD or S4 - they are stronger per mg.

Do NOT use S23, and while my wife has had good results from RAD140 I would say it’s probably not advisable for your needs.

Superdrol at just 5mg daily will blow you up with muscle quick, but it’s only something to be used for 3-4 weeks at a time due to liver toxicity, which will make you lethargic. This is more for someone competing.

Lastly, Nandrolone Phenyl Propionate (NPP) at a similar mg weekly to your test script would be worth trying if you did buy illegally. But you would need 2mg injections every 3 days since it acts faster than your testosterone cypionate does.
 
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Because it would make her beard fuller.
I'm not sure it would though. Low IM Primo dose (50mg/wk) with two weeks on, four weeks off should yield good results with far less risk than what she's been taking with T? We are looking at mitigating the risk, not eliminating it, correct? Some, maybe all of the SARMs listed have more risk imo.
 
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I'm not sure it would though. Low IM Primo dose (50mg/wk) with two weeks on, four weeks off should yield good results with far less risk than what she's been taking with T? We are looking at mitigating the risk, not eliminating it, correct? Some, maybe all of the SARMs listed have more risk imo.
If she were my wife/sister/friend, and had started growing a beard from Test ... so she stopped the Test ....
I certainly wouldn't advise that she start using Primo.
So, I'm also not going to recommend that Shayla use it.

To take a steroid with possible virilization effects, only to have that possibility become Reality, and then jump on another one is just not wise at all IMO.
 

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Do NOT put your wife on 1-andro or 11KT. That stuff will be worse than 5mg weekly of testosterone I can promise you that! What is considered androgenic to a man and how a female metabolizes things are vastly different. Something like DMZ for example is grossly androgenic in a woman, although it can promote gyno in men solo due to lack of androgenic activity.



Your script is a good smart dose, but the truth is if you are getting sides you are getting sides.

If virilization (masculinization) is the top concern, you will want to consider taking 4-6 week breaks between 4-6 week cycles. Staying on any hormone continually can eventually cause changes without off time.

SARMs can be great options for women. Ostarine, LGD, S4 are worth your attention. Micro doses of those have worked well for women trying to recomp, bulk, & cut, respectively. Ostarine could go as high as 10mg, but I would be thinking more along the lines of about 3mg daily for these compounds. And S4 will need 2-3 shots daily, while Ostarine and LGD can be taken as far apart as every other day. MA Research, a board sponsor, sells them in sterile oil similar to your testosterone. You can also find 5 or 10mg Ostarine capsules out there if you would rather go that route, but stick to very low doses if trying LGD or S4 - they are stronger per mg.

Do NOT use S23, and while my wife has had good results from RAD140 I would say it’s probably not advisable for your needs.

Superdrol at just 5mg daily will blow you up with muscle quick, but it’s only something to be used for 3-4 weeks at a time due to liver toxicity, which will make you lethargic. This is more for someone competing.

Lastly, Nandrolone Phenyl Propionate (NPP) at a similar mg weekly to your test script would be worth trying if you did buy illegally. But you would need 2mg injections every 3 days since it acts faster than your testosterone cypionate does.
This is really a good post, don’t know what to add.
 

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@Hyde 11 ketotest gave me the worst shedding episode out of everything I took, including masteron

Stuff is pretty androgenic I was getting BP spikes and was angry all the time
 
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I'm not sure it would though. Low IM Primo dose (50mg/wk) with two weeks on, four weeks off should yield good results with far less risk than what she's been taking with T? We are looking at mitigating the risk, not eliminating it, correct? Some, maybe all of the SARMs listed have more risk imo.
Maybe if a woman took 50 total mg/wk of SARMs they could be worse. But speaking from direct firsthand experience with my wife, 3mg LGD daily has no noticeable sides for her. And there are plenty of competitors who would back that up.

You are talking mild bodybuilding doses for a woman, but that is definitely not what OP really wants based on her post.

@Hyde 11 ketotest gave me the worst shedding episode out of everything I took, including masteron

Stuff is pretty androgenic I was getting BP spikes and was angry all the time
Yeah I have found it personally to be fairly androgenic. Hence the strength increases.
 
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My partner has been taking 10mg of Cardarine with 10mg of Cialis. The only sides she has experienced are more energy and better pumps. She is maybe more prone to headaches, but she gets them a lot anyway, so hard to tell.

We are looking at adding Ostarine and maybe Andarine as well, but are taking it easy. I did get some Primo and will homebrew oil for myself and possibly her. We both reacted very badly to the Anavar I got!
 

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OP was that correct .05ml/week so 5mg a week of test?
I still think this is a joke thread.

A female decided to use aas and then uses the least selective compound there is, and at a comoletely useless dose, cmon now.
 
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I still think this is a joke thread.

A female decided to use aas and then uses the least selective compound there is, and at a comoletely useless dose, cmon now.
Even if this is the case, and I am starting to think maybe based on the 4 repeat threads below by her, lol, I think the information presented has been useful.
 
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My partner has been taking 10mg of Cardarine with 10mg of Cialis. The only sides she has experienced are more energy and better pumps. She is maybe more prone to headaches, but she gets them a lot anyway, so hard to tell.

We are looking at adding Ostarine and maybe Andarine as well, but are taking it easy. I did get some Primo and will homebrew oil for myself and possibly her. We both reacted very badly to the Anavar I got!
Maybe consider 5mg Cialis daily? Many guys get by on that fine but it may lessen headaches. Just something to try.

Roidtest makes great tester kit for Var. Worth the $25 to make sure she isn’t getting Dbol. Super easy and fast to use.

A good rule with women is do NOT stack until you have spent a previous cycle trying a compound. Sometimes even 2 things that didn’t virilize her can start doing so when combined, so you need to have an idea of how things treat you. And keep an eye on total mg/wk too.

I still think this is a joke thread.

A female decided to use aas and then uses the least selective compound there is, and at a comoletely useless dose, cmon now.
That’s a genuine TRT range for women.
 
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I still think this is a joke thread.

A female decided to use aas and then uses the least selective compound there is, and at a comoletely useless dose, cmon now.
It was prescribed to begin with due to
Hormone imbalance. I just liked the results that I was getting in the gym. It is a real question. I am new looking into any of this so I came here for suggestions.
 

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It was prescribed to begin with due to
Hormone imbalance. I just liked the results that I was getting in the gym. It is a real question. I am new looking into any of this so I came here for suggestions.
Ok, but i still think sth like npp, deca or primobolan ( although chances are you are not going to get real primo) would be way better than sarms.

Oral AAS hit your cardiovascualr system harder than injectables, and even though females use low doses, if you can pick why not pick the safer option.

But me honestly, i wouldnt really recommend AAS to women, i mean of course it depends on your goals and if you want to slowly turn into a man that is fine, i have no probpems with that at all, you just need to be aware that you are increasing androgen index in your body more towards the male level.

But if my GF came to me and said hey i would like to build some extra muscle, see i have been training for 5 years, i perfected my training and eating, and i want some more results, i would personally look into peptides or GH, as at least she would have other benefits and instead of growing a beard she would get better hair, skin and nails and would feel better, more youthful.

She could get a taste of PEDs without potential effects she would regret the rest of her life, especially after some time when she decides she isnt into the muscle look anymore.

If there was hormonal issue she had going, be it low estrogen, low test whatever, i would ask her to seek guidance of a proper endocrinologist with previous experience in the field of female HRT.
 
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Ok, but i still think sth like npp, deca or primobolan ( although chances are you are not going to get real primo) would be way better than sarms.

Oral AAS hit your cardiovascualr system harder than injectables, and even though females use low doses, if you can pick why not pick the safer option.

But me honestly, i wouldnt really recommend AAS to women, i mean of course it depends on your goals and if you want to slowly turn into a man that is fine, i have no probpems with that at all, you just need to be aware that you are increasing androgen index in your body more towards the male level.

But if my GF came to me and said hey i would like to build some extra muscle, see i have been training for 5 years, i perfected my training and eating, and i want some more results, i would personally look into peptides or GH, as at least she would have other benefits and instead of growing a beard she would get better hair, skin and nails and would feel better, more youthful.

She could get a taste of PEDs without potential effects she would regret the rest of her life, especially after some time when she decides she isnt into the muscle look anymore.

If there was hormonal issue she had going, be it low estrogen, low test whatever, i would ask her to seek guidance of a proper endocrinologist with previous experience in the field of female HRT.

I'm not a big fan of SARMs, but in this case, she's ALREADY getting masculinizing sides from hormonal steroids.
 
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Jamie Falcetti Pinder (look for her on IG) has great info on how to use anabolics carefully to reduce chances of virilization. The risk is always there but she guides on what to look for and when to stop.
 
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Ok, but i still think sth like npp, deca or primobolan ( although chances are you are not going to get real primo) would be way better than sarms.

Oral AAS hit your cardiovascualr system harder than injectables, and even though females use low doses, if you can pick why not pick the safer option.

But me honestly, i wouldnt really recommend AAS to women, i mean of course it depends on your goals and if you want to slowly turn into a man that is fine, i have no probpems with that at all, you just need to be aware that you are increasing androgen index in your body more towards the male level.

But if my GF came to me and said hey i would like to build some extra muscle, see i have been training for 5 years, i perfected my training and eating, and i want some more results, i would personally look into peptides or GH, as at least she would have other benefits and instead of growing a beard she would get better hair, skin and nails and would feel better, more youthful.

She could get a taste of PEDs without potential effects she would regret the rest of her life, especially after some time when she decides she isnt into the muscle look anymore.

If there was hormonal issue she had going, be it low estrogen, low test whatever, i would ask her to seek guidance of a proper endocrinologist with previous experience in the field of female HRT.


I’m with you on the safer option. I don’t want anything to mess with my heart and I don’t want to do anything that will make me look manly. I have been seeing a endo for the hormone support. That’s where I got the script to begin with. My levels are all good right now so that’s why I am looking at other options. I have been looking into the peptides option as well. Seems like some of the perks of the peptides are totally worth looking into more
 
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OP if you do decide to continue to use or try new AAS I would HIGHLY recommend getting the test kits that Dave Palumbo sells. As a female, it is critical to know what the label on the vial says it actually what is in the bottle. The tests can identify the compound and the new ones even test ballpark concentration so you know what you have is real and dosed accordingly(some UG's intentionally overdose for reputation purposes, not the end of the world for males but potentially horrible for a female.)
 

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OP if you do decide to continue to use or try new AAS I would HIGHLY recommend getting the test kits that Dave Palumbo sells. As a female, it is critical to know what the label on the vial says it actually what is in the bottle. The tests can identify the compound and the new ones even test ballpark concentration so you know what you have is real and dosed accordingly(some UG's intentionally overdose for reputation purposes, not the end of the world for males but potentially horrible for a female.)
very good advice.....men it doesn’t matter so much. Women it’s essential
 
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I’m with you on the safer option. I don’t want anything to mess with my heart and I don’t want to do anything that will make me look manly. I have been seeing a endo for the hormone support. That’s where I got the script to begin with. My levels are all good right now so that’s why I am looking at other options. I have been looking into the peptides option as well. Seems like some of the perks of the peptides are totally worth looking into more
OP, you mentioned a few chin hairs but have you noticed any other changes? A female friend of mine in the UK recently went on a cycle of an oral called Methyl 1 Alpha and her voice was noticeably deepened last time we spoke. She’s also complaining of increased chin hair and has recently begun to hint that her clitoris is appearing to have changed in size??? Sorry TMI I realize. But it makes we wonder if some of these extreme side effects are worth the price of admission if you get what I’m saying. Some idiot in the gym recommended it to her to prep for a powerlifting meat but i’m worried that her side effects may be irreversible.
 
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OP, you mentioned a few chin hairs but have you noticed any other changes? A female friend of mine in the UK recently went on a cycle of an oral called Methyl 1 Alpha and her voice was noticeably deepened last time we spoke. She’s also complaining of increased chin hair and has recently begun to hint that her clitoris is appearing to have changed in size??? Sorry TMI I realize. But it makes we wonder if some of these extreme side effects are worth the price of admission if you get what I’m saying. Some idiot in the gym recommended it to her to prep for a powerlifting meat but i’m worried that her side effects may be irreversible.
The deeper voice is irreversible and she should stop immediately if she's not willing to accept that! The other changes should mostly, if not completely go away over time after discontinuation.
 
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The deeper voice is irreversible and she should stop immediately if she's not willing to accept that! The other changes should mostly, if not completely go away over time after discontinuation.
She’s already stopped. Sucks about the voice though ....glad to hear the other stuff, including enlarged clitoris apparently, will resolve with time.
 
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She’s already stopped. Sucks about the voice though ....glad to hear the other stuff, including enlarged clitoris apparently, will resolve with time.
I'm not as sure as my friend above, about those resolving themselves.

:-(
 
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She’s already stopped. Sucks about the voice though ....glad to hear the other stuff, including enlarged clitoris apparently, will resolve with time.
That may not completely reverse, but it will subside over time. Same for the hair growth. They are technically irreversible, but they do improve.
 
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I’d like to sincerely apologize to the OP for inadvertently hijacking this thread; your concerns just hit a bit too close to home for me. Good luck with everything.
 

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Have you considered finasteride at least for the hair loss? There is some anecdotal evidence that SARMs may help hair regrowth but there isn't enough solid information on them. Is your goal to stop Test completely? That would be the only way to stop those androgenic effects. Check out this video
 
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Have you considered finasteride at least for the hair loss? There is some anecdotal evidence that SARMs may help hair regrowth but there isn't enough solid information on them. Is your goal to stop Test completely? That would be the only way to stop those androgenic effects. Check out this video
Excellent points....makes me wonder how long females should cycle with AAS before giving themselves a bit of a break in order to minimize/reverse androgenic side effects. I don’t remember this ever being discussed on this board previously; anyone care to chime in?
 
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Excellent points....makes me wonder how long females should cycle with AAS before giving themselves a bit of a break in order to minimize/reverse androgenic side effects. I don’t remember this ever being discussed on this board previously; anyone care to chime in?
Alex Kikel (Beast Fitness Radio) says he has most his female clients wave 4-6 weeks on and 4-6 weeks off as a general rule.
 

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Alex Kikel (Beast Fitness Radio) says he has most his female clients wave 4-6 weeks on and 4-6 weeks off as a general rule.
yep, pretty sure his view is they can do that for long periods of time with minimal issues
 

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yep, pretty sure his view is they can do that for long periods of time with minimal issues
Exactly, maybe cycle between Test and SARMs to keep up performance but minimize androgenic sides.
 
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5mg to 10mg's of test a week is a standard women's hrt dose.this is how much test women produce naturally and it shouldn't cause viralization problems tbh. The baldening might be genetic and the face hair also. Seriously, 5mg is a standard trt dose for women in menopause.
 
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Interesting Thread..............
 

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