Test Prop, Tren Ace, NPP - Cycle questions.

Matthew1237

Matthew1237

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So I've made the decision for my next cycle, I won't be running this for a while, but wanted to talk it over to get some feedback.

Plan is this
Weeks 1-12
Prop 100mg EOD
Tren A 100mg EOD
NPP 100mg EOD

Weeks 13&14
Prop 100mg EOD

PCT
Clomid - First time so I'll probably hit 50mg a day for 4 weeks
Nolva 40/40/20/20

On Hand if needed
Prami

Cycle History - I've done quite a few short oral/TD cycles combined with Trest and various PHs, 1 12 week TD/Oral cycle (rotated 4 weeks for orals)
And finally one very long cycle where I finished my last bottle of Trest, then did about 26 weeks on Test E, experimenting with Tren E and Deca (about 13 weeks each on tren , might have been a bit underdosed, followed by 14 weeks of deca)

I know these are both 19 nors, although I've read great things about this cycle from those who tried it. I find my body doesn't get too many sides, I found Tren E to be the worst and main sides were mild insomnia and night sweats - nothing crazy. I have read that by keeping test lower (perhaps running prop at 150mg is the smart decision) that it may lessen tren sides. When I ran tren previously I was doing 500 Test E and 300mg Tren E.

Thoughts, anyone have experience running this on here - if so, what did you find. I plan on using prami to combat Prog if it arises, mostly just because caber was about 5-10x the price
 
First off, no offense but you are not experienced enough with consistency and you will do it anyway so
I'll just try to help a bit. So depending on the person, yes you can combine 2 19nors, I will on my next cycle, that said you seem like youre just doing simple math on your stack. The real deal is getting 3 compounds to compliment each other and that is done by balancing your sides VS gains on each combo. EX Test & Tren, Test & NPP , Tren & Npp for you personally.

For best results you want to figure out the least amount of gear to achieve maximum results. I don't mind Tren sides cuz except for over hornyness they don't bother me(I have insomnia and extra **** tren is small problem) but on the flip side some ppl just respond better to Nandro than Tren. And to wrap it all up why the fukk do you want that many pinns?

My advise is take Test E at a moderate dose (you see gains but its just good) lets say that is 300/week, Then mix YOUR fav 19 at 400-450/week, then add the backup QB 19 at same dose of Test maybe 100mg lower. than you will see best results for minimum gear. That is the sweet spot you always aim for.

You need to do a complete overhaul on your on cycle ancillaries, AI, Anti-Progest. Anti-sides and on and on to a Complete overhaul of PCT. mixing 3 compunds you have never mixed before can get out of control easily.
 
Grab some caber and some Cialis and you are gtg. Prami works but side effects suck.
 
FRITZBLITZ said:
First off, no offense but you are not experienced enough with consistency and you will do it anyway so
I'll just try to help a bit. So depending on the person, yes you can combine 2 19nors, I will on my next cycle, that said you seem like youre just doing simple math on your stack. The real deal is getting 3 compounds to compliment each other and that is done by balancing your sides VS gains on each combo. EX Test & Tren, Test & NPP , Tren & Npp for you personally.

For best results you want to figure out the least amount of gear to achieve maximum results. I don't mind Tren sides cuz except for over hornyness they don't bother me(I have insomnia and extra **** tren is small problem) but on the flip side some ppl just respond better to Nandro than Tren. And to wrap it all up why the fukk do you want that many pinns?

My advise is take Test E at a moderate dose (you see gains but its just good) lets say that is 300/week, Then mix YOUR fav 19 at 400-450/week, then add the backup QB 19 at same dose of Test maybe 100mg lower. than you will see best results for minimum gear. That is the sweet spot you always aim for.

You need to do a complete overhaul on your on cycle ancillaries, AI, Anti-Progest. Anti-sides and on and on to a Complete overhaul of PCT. mixing 3 compunds you have never mixed before can get out of control easily.
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Thanks man, this is why i did it so early so i can plan it well. I do find I react a bit better to nandro than tren so I guess that'll be the higher one. My original thought was 100 eod test and npp and 50eod tren ace. Perhaps the wiser start point.

I could grab some aromasin as well. I just always went with the rule of, unless you need it leave it out as someone said throwing in a ton of anti estrogen stuff if you don't need it will just do more harm than good. I did research from others cycles like this and most of them were doing either 100/100/100 or 100/100 npp/50 T.A. Would you recommend HCG on a cycle like this or is it too short to bother warranting something like that.
 
Matthew1237 said:
Thanks man, this is why i did it so early so i can plan it well. I do find I react a bit better to nandro than tren so I guess that'll be the higher one. My original thought was 100 eod test and npp and 50eod tren ace. Perhaps the wiser start point.

I could grab some aromasin as well. I just always went with the rule of, unless you need it leave it out as someone said throwing in a ton of anti estrogen stuff if you don't need it will just do more harm than good. I did research from others cycles like this and most of them were doing either 100/100/100 or 100/100 npp/50 T.A. Would you recommend HCG on a cycle like this or is it too short to bother warranting something like that.
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I am still debating the effect of HCG so I would say no since I find either that it's ineffective(HCG is fragile and can degrade if not handled right)
or ineffective as anything other than ant-atrophy( I don't get much atrophy even when shut down). For me 12 weeks is not enough to cause atrophy of any note.

I won't argue if you have done research on 100 e2d but if I was going to pin that often I would go 85mg Test, 130mg NPP, 60mg Tren e2d. That is 300mg test 450 mg Nandro, 200mg Tren.I like to be as percise as possible with dosages. Many just do increments of 50mg NOT THE BEST APPROACH most real trainers will have you on 280mg/320mg/465mg you need special needles for this precision but I use 20mg incraments. Assuming all this mixes well for you a great move is to inverse later so week 8-12 go 350mg test 200 nandro, 400 tren. This however is usually done on a 18-24 week cycle but its very effective and I like to experiment. So if you have never inverted your triangle you might try.

I always PCT for 6 weeks at medium dose but you may need to go 60/40/40/20 then UTY. 2x 19 can sometimes be tricky got to watch how body and balls feel. My PCT for any medium strength is clomid 50/50/25/25e2d/12.5e2d/12.5e2d and nolva 20/20 at first. After long thread debate I will start clomid a weed early at 12.5 ed in place of HCG But you are on short esters so you can immediately PCT. Unless you PCT easy and fast, I would add a natty T booster.

***Ai & ancillaries. I would have enough aromasin and caber for entire cycle. But I agree with you completely as for just throwing in AI. I usually run a all-in-1 cycle support my fave is Ar1macare Pro. 8 caps is the dose but I take 2-4 for the beginning 6-8 weeks. This will give you a constant mild AI and Liver+, Lipid+, Heart/BP+ [many ppl overlook these but I guarantee it's worth extra money to keep this above norm]. I like this method because you never crash e2 but you keep armatase at lower ends. Then pop an aromasin and caber 1 a week just to check it. On Arom/Caber days watch how you feel. Caber in excess should make you horny, Aromasin in excess will make you feel tight like needing to stretch. If you dont feel exess pop another in 2 days and up dose till you feel exess.
 
Matthew1237 said:
Thanks man, this is why i did it so early so i can plan it well. I do find I react a bit better to nandro than tren so I guess that'll be the higher one. My original thought was 100 eod test and npp and 50eod tren ace. Perhaps the wiser start point.

I could grab some aromasin as well. I just always went with the rule of, unless you need it leave it out as someone said throwing in a ton of anti estrogen stuff if you don't need it will just do more harm than good. I did research from others cycles like this and most of them were doing either 100/100/100 or 100/100 npp/50 T.A. Would you recommend HCG on a cycle like this or is it too short to bother warranting something like that.
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I am still debating the effect of HCG so I would say no since I find either that it's ineffective(HCG is fragile and can degrade if not handled right)
or ineffective as anything other than ant-atrophy( I don't get much atrophy even when shut down). For me 12 weeks is not enough to cause atrophy of any note.

I won't argue if you have done research on 100 e2d but if I was going to pin that often I would go 85mg Test, 130mg NPP, 60mg Tren e2d. That is 300mg test 450 mg Nandro, 200mg Tren. Assuming all this mixes well for you a great move is to inverse later so week 8-12 go 350mg test 200 nandro, 400 tren. This however is usually done on a 18-24 week cycle but its very effective and I like to experiment. So if you have never inverted your triangle you might try.

I always PCT for 6 weeks at medium dose but you may need to go 60/40/40/20 then UTY. 2x 19 can sometimes be tricky got to watch how body and balls feel. My PCT for any medium strength is clomid 50/50/25/25e2d/12.5e2d/12.5e2d and nolva 20/20 at first. After long thread debate I will start clomid a weed early at 12.5 ed in place of HCG But you are on short esters so you can immediately PCT. Unless you PCT easy and fast, I would add a natty T booster.

***Ai & ancillaries. I would have enough aromasin and caber for entire cycle. But I agree with you completely as for just throwing in AI. I usually run a all-in-1 cycle support my fave is Ar1macare Pro. 8 caps is the dose but I take 2-4 for the beginning 6-8 weeks. This will give you a constant mild AI and Liver+, Lipid+, Heart/BP+ [many ppl overlook these but I guarantee it's worth extra money to keep this above norm]. I like this method because you never crash e2 but you keep armatase at lower ends. Then pop an aromasin and caber 1 a week just to check it. On Arom/Caber days watch how you feel. Caber in excess should make you horny, Aromasin in excess will make you feel tight like needing to stretch. If you dont feel exess pop another in 2 days and up dose till you feel exess.
 
HCG is ineffective? Yes, it's fragile but as long as you're not a moron it's pretty simple to mix, store, and even use HCG. That's like saying don't use HGH because it's ineffective and too fragile lol come on bro. Atrophy isn't the sole purpose of HCG anyway, it's about gonadal stimulation to help PCT transition easier. Suggesting armicare for this cycle is like telling someone to bring a knife to a gun fight. It's amazing the people giving advice openly on this forum now. I could poke a few more holes in your advice but I'm kinda bored with it already, hopefully op is smart enough to not listen.
 
yates84 said:
HCG is ineffective? Yes, it's fragile but as long as you're not a moron it's pretty simple to mix, store, and even use HCG. That's like saying don't use HGH because it's ineffective and too fragile lol come on bro. Atrophy isn't the sole purpose of HCG anyway, it's about gonadal stimulation to help PCT transition easier. Suggesting armicare for this cycle is like telling someone to bring a knife to a gun fight. It's amazing the people giving advice openly on this forum now. I could poke a few more holes in your advice but I'm kinda bored with it already, hopefully op is smart enough to not listen.
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Wow Gomer your first comment was get some cager and youre G2G. hahaha now youre saying $hit cuz I took the time to give real advise. Go back to leaving useless comments on posts. everyone likes that

READ the post, Arimacare as base with Aromasin and Caber on top. It's amazing how some people want to make a negg comment so bad that they don't even read anything. JFYI I get Bayer Zydec Pharm HCG, I'm not the only person to debate the effectiveness of HCG. It can be stored improper and lose potency BEFORE you ever receive it and If you don't believe it can be easily damaged I will sell you a bunch of IGF-1 that's G2G lol
 
FRITZBLITZ said:
Wow Gomer your first comment was get some cager and youre G2G. hahaha now youre saying $hit cuz I took the time to give real advise. Go back to leaving useless comments on posts. everyone likes that

READ the post, Arimacare as base with Aromasin and Caber on top. It's amazing how some people want to make a negg comment so bad that they don't even read anything. JFYI I get Bayer Zydec Pharm HCG, I'm not the only person to debate the effectiveness of HCG. It can be stored improper and lose potency BEFORE you ever receive it and If you don't believe it can be easily damaged I will sell you a bunch of IGF-1 that's G2G lol
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I read it and what you said is dumb. I get HCG and HGH shipped from China with no issues. These compounds are lipholized to prevent damage during transportation, the real issue is after reconstition. I wouldn't buy water from you if I was on fire. You act like you're the only person with pharma connections lol find some other idiot to down talk to because you are talking to a person with 10x the knowledge and experience as you. Nothing wrong with his cycle, have seen it ran a million times successfully​.
 
Matthew1237 said:
woah my amigos, we're all friends here!
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Nah, he's feeding you garbage bro. A real friend would only speak from experience and this dude is nothing more than a parrot. Look at his last thread in this forum, dude is an amateur.
 
Matthew1237 said:
woah my amigos, we're all friends here!
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Anyways hope my info helps, Post updates and if you decide to inverse your triangle. I know it's not a common practice but it can make a huge difference. If you read into it some top trainers suggest it on many bulk cycles but it's perfect for a double 19 cycle.
 
It's a short ester cycle so you will only get yourself in so much trouble. I'm not a big supporter of HCG but it definitely has it's place if used correctly. Just have the proper ancillaries on hand and go for it! PCT is a little overkill imo but will work just fine.
 
yates84 said:
I read it and what you said is dumb. I get HCG and HGH shipped from China with no issues. These compounds are lipholized to prevent damage during transportation, the real issue is after reconstition. I wouldn't buy water from you if I was on fire. You act like you're the only person with pharma connections lol find some other idiot to down talk to because you are talking to a person with 10x the knowledge and experience as you. Nothing wrong with his cycle, have seen it ran a million times successfully​.
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Ok Gomer. I know youre a big deal. I can tell youre so connected that the chinese probably pay you to run their gear, I can tell youre so smart that Organon and Phyzer ask you how to design compounds,Youre so informed that there is no reason for you to be on a forum because youre too busy training the Pros, I can tell that you know so much that there is no room for improving a cycle cuz you have designed all cycles.

Wait wait you havn't actually helped at all

Get some caber and your g2g
 
FRITZBLITZ said:
Ok Gomer. I know youre a big deal. I can tell youre so connected that the chinese probably pay you to run their gear, I can tell youre so smart that Organon and Phyzer ask you how to design compounds,Youre so informed that there is no reason for you to be on a forum because youre too busy training the Pros, I can tell that you know so much that there is no room for improving a cycle cuz you have designed all cycles.

Wait wait you havn't actually helped at all

Get some caber and your g2g
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Yeah, overanalyzing the situation is key lol go run your andros and stick to the kiddie threads bro.

Op, if you want some real cycle advise just holler at me. Not gonna argue with an idiot on your thread. Yates out.
 
Yah guy he was just waiting for that invite from the big deal master of AM lol your comeback on PM was weaker than your gym work
 
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