Test + EQ dosages to prevent crashed E2

rspicer0313

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Hey guys, I am currently taking 350 mg dhb + 420 mg test prop. I want to add Equipoise to the cycle at 630mg. Based on your experiences, what is a good test dose for that much EQ to avoid crushing E2 levels? I know everybody is different just looking for others experiences to find a good starting dose and in 6 weeks Ill get my BW done.

Secondly, what doses of Test+NPP/Deca+EQ doses have you all ran to maintain a healthy libido. (No limp dick for me!)
 
I was thinking of starting at 630mg EQ but cannot decide between 700mg/770mg/840mg of the prop. I want to run enough to prevent E2 problems but would like to avoid using an A.I
 
Have you used EQ before? I’m not a fan of EQ but if my life depended on running it I would make sure to run Test higher than the EQ and just run a low dose of it.
 
Have you used EQ before? I’m not a fan of EQ but if my life depended on running it I would make sure to run Test higher than the EQ and just run a low dose of it.
No I have not, I have just heard so many mixed reviews about it I really wanted to try it and see if I am a lover or a hater. What is it about EQ that makes you not like it? And what dose would you recommend instead for the EQ? I was thinking of taking 525 mg instead or even starting at 420mg and titrating every 4 weeks throughout the cycle but decided its better to stick with one dose for a compound with a long ass halflife especially cuz I havent tried it before. (Weird doses are because I inject daily)
 
Have you used EQ before? I’m not a fan of EQ but if my life depended on running it I would make sure to run Test higher than the EQ and just run a low dose of it.
Also, really want to try it for its A.I like properties because it would be nice to avoid the adex
 
Have you used EQ before? I’m not a fan of EQ but if my life depended on running it I would make sure to run Test higher than the EQ and just run a low dose of it.
And lastly lmao! How come some people swear you need to use EQ 600mg + to notice results? Any merit to this?
 
I used Test/Mast at 400 and EQ at 600 for 12 weeks (I maybe stopped earlier), I planned to go longer but I couldn’t wait to stop, low E sides started fairly early and raised Test to 600, it helped some but still low energy/libido and hard time to sleep, don’t think I had a full night of sleep the whole cycle, got a little stronger but nothing to significant, cardio was better but I’ve noticed you get the cardio benefits with a low dose also.

Not a fan.
 
I used Test/Mast at 400 and EQ at 600 for 12 weeks (I maybe stopped earlier), I planned to go longer but I couldn’t wait to stop, low E sides started fairly early and raised Test to 600, it helped some but still low energy/libido and hard time to sleep, don’t think I had a full night of sleep the whole cycle, got a little stronger but nothing to significant, cardio was better but I’ve noticed you get the cardio benefits with a low dose also.

Not a fan.

Probably because you ran Masteron with it
 
I used Test/Mast at 400 and EQ at 600 for 12 weeks (I maybe stopped earlier), I planned to go longer but I couldn’t wait to stop, low E sides started fairly early and raised Test to 600, it helped some but still low energy/libido and hard time to sleep, don’t think I had a full night of sleep the whole cycle, got a little stronger but nothing to significant, cardio was better but I’ve noticed you get the cardio benefits with a low dose also.

Not a fan.
Thanks for the information man! Have you ever considered running again with the test higher than the EQ? I'm not sure if you've seen the MPMD video on it but he breaks it down and shows how EQ actually converts into another form of estrogen, not estradiol (the one responsible for sex drive) and shows that even when ran 1:1 (test:EQ) it can completely tank a lot of peoples E2 levels.
 
Have you had any success with test+EQ; what doses have you ran?
Yep.
I like it, personally.

I've ran:
400 Test, 300 EQ
500 Test, 400 EQ
300 Test, 600 EQ

I enjoyed every run, really.
It made me Really Vascular, and the muscle accrued slowly, but was constant.
 
Yep.
I like it, personally.

I've ran:
400 Test, 300 EQ
500 Test, 400 EQ
300 Test, 600 EQ

I enjoyed every run, really.
It made me Really Vascular, and the muscle accrued slowly, but was constant.
**** yeah man thank you! How did you feel on the last cycle, with your EQ higher than test? + what dose was your favorite to run?
 
**** yeah man thank you! How did you feel on the last cycle, with your EQ higher than test? + what dose was your favorite to run?

Personally I felt good on every run.
Really .... I felt Spectacular.
LOL....
.... I caught a bug on one of the runs, but it couldn't keep me down.
I kept going, and going and going.... (With gym, and work).

Until finally a Dr insisted that I check myself into the Hospital, because I was running around like a madman. .... Even though I had finally developed walking (running LOL) Pneumonia.

Ok .... Don't do that. LOL.
If you ever get sick, give yourself the rest and opportunity to heal.

I think if/when I run it again, I might go for 300 Test and 500 EQ.
 
Personally I felt good on every run.
Really .... I felt Spectacular.
LOL....
.... I caught a bug on one of the runs, but it couldn't keep me down.
I kept going, and going and going.... (With gym, and work).

Until finally a Dr insisted that I check myself into the Hospital, because I was running around like a madman. .... Even though I had finally developed walking (running LOL) Pneumonia.

Ok .... Don't do that. LOL.
If you ever get sick, give yourself the rest and opportunity to heal.

I think if/when I run it again, I might go for 300 Test and 500 EQ.
Thanks so much for the info brother! And ill make sure to push through the cycle whether I have a life-threatening condition or not! Lol. I think Ill keep the prop where its at then and add EQ at 500 and adjust if I am experiencing low E sides.
 
Probably because you ran Masteron with it

You think so? I ran Mast before and felt fantastic. Idk, I took EQ out and continued with the Mast (200/200) and started to sleep and feel better soon after, I’m sure it was the EQ that made feel shitty.
 
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And lastly lmao! How come some people swear you need to use EQ 600mg + to notice results? Any merit to this?

Because many people do not understand that actual contractile muscle tissue if growing optimally, is gained in GRAMS per day not lbs per week. People are used to super-compensation of glycogen and intra/extracellular water and the subsequent fullness it delivers and mistake it for "new muscle." Technically yes it's considered "lean mass" as it's not fat but stop those compounds for 2-4 weeks and what's left it what you actually gained. Due to this slower esters and certain compounds get this reputation of needing certain minimum doses to be effective. This is not to say that it does not work more at 600 vs lower doses but the idea that 300mg/week of an AAS does nothing is laughable.(Exception being guys 50-100 lbs past natural limits but that does not describe many here, myself included lol.)
 
All this stuff about masteron, eq etc lowering e2 is anecdotal. Masteron is believed to lower e2 because it was prescribed for breast cancer patients but not a single published study shows this. The reasoning and data on equipoise lowering e2 is even weaker. Even a high volume bodybuilding coach or trt doctor won't have the data to make a definitive statement.

Personal experience here, they seem to lower e2. How much? Is it really that hard to change up your testosterone dose until you feel good and/or have good labs?

I LOL as you go back 15-20 years and almost NO ONE was talking about these AAS like they were psuedo AI's. I suppose back then everyone was simply oblivious to their low E2? Proviron was talked about a little as having mild anti-estrogen-like effects but that was it. Assuming people have actual labs proving this I cannot argue with that but thinking estrogen is lowered because you subjectively feel different after adding in more AAS is not proof of anything other than the estrogen to androgen ratio slanting even more towards androgens.
 
All this stuff about masteron, eq etc lowering e2 is anecdotal. Masteron is believed to lower e2 because it was prescribed for breast cancer patients but not a single published study shows this. The reasoning and data on equipoise lowering e2 is even weaker. Even a high volume bodybuilding coach or trt doctor won't have the data to make a definitive statement.

Personal experience here, they seem to lower e2. How much? Is it really that hard to change up your testosterone dose until you feel good and/or have good labs?

Why do you think Masteron was prescribed for breast Cancer patients?
That's why it was developed, and that's how it was used medically.
(As an AI).
 
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Yeah that's the bro science reasoning for this so it must reduce estrogen, right? Wrong.

Masteron was prescribed for breast cancer because any androgen that doesn't convert to estrogen shrinks breast tissue via the androgen receptor. Before masteron was invented, nandrolone was used. In fact it's been shown that there's no difference in breast cancer remission rates between masteron and nandrolone.
There's definitely bro science a lot of bro science around ....
But I actually read the literature and papers on it.
It was developed as an AI, and Used as an AI.
Personally, I don't care what you believe.
 
Yeah I just pulled up all 15 articles in the medical literature that came out in the medical journals at the time it was released and before. Being an AI was never even a consideration.

LOL.

... Have a Great day!
 
I think you are both right in a way. Mast acts as an ANTI-estrogen in its effects without being a strictly defined inhibitor of aromatase.
 
I think you are both right in a way. Mast acts as an ANTI-estrogen in its effects without being a strictly defined inhibitor of aromatase.

Yes. With no disrespect to anyone here, it’s fairly well established anecdotally that drostanolone competes well with estrogen. I am not aware of any actual AI properties, but it’s essentially fact that when you use Masteron you can often get away with less AI to prevent gyno, as well as hold less water. Same as if you took some Proviron or Epistane, or Winstrol.

OP, I have only used EQ at 1:1 with testosterone last cruise, 120mg of each. By week 7 I dropped it because I was having low estrogen sides AND aggravation of my gyno, and my bloodwork revealed elevated hematocrit, rbc, and lipids with very low E2 based off an Ultra-sensitive Estradiol test on my panel.

The THEORY that MPMD has put forth, based on anecdote, that seems to completely hold up with my personal experience, is that EQ successfully out-competes testosterone largely for the aromatase enzyme, so less testosterone gets converted to Estradiol and more EQ becomes some other estrogen metabolite. But if you don’t get the ultra-sensitive assay like I did, you would see elevated estrogen levels instead of crashed e2. So you get some estrogens, but not the kind you need to maintain cardiovascular and joint health, and maybe not even libido.

If you were like me, you would probably need to run 4:1 test:eq to get away with it, but at that point it’s probably smarter to just not use it and find something you do better on.

As far as the guys saying you need to run 600+, my assumption is they’re probably leaning on the trace conversion to DHB. You know how it goes; some guys are satisfied with the gains they get on a few hundred mg and some guys feel they need to run grams and expect massive changes. And everyone does respond differently, in their defense.
 
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