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Test E solo Vs. Mk 677 + Rad 140

Davy25

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Hey guys,

There was a thread in 2017 inquiring about the potency of sarms relative to testosterone. Im curious how you guys feel running s4 or Rad 140 would compare to a test E only cycle.

I have tried a few sarms cycles now and feel like i may take the next step and just do test as the sarm long term effects are still unknown. How do you think the results would compare at say 250-500 mg test e a week vs the sarm stack listed.
 
Test-E at 250-350mg along with (legit) Rad-140 @ appx. 10mg is a very nice, clean cycle. Higher Test will only amplify the results.
 
I’m in the same boat as you although the reason I don’t want to make the move is because I’m scared of messing with my prostrate and my LH&FSH this is where it comes down to do you want kids or not? Sarms don’t touch or barely touch those hormones.
 
From what I’ve seen rad can really tax your lipids and liver, of course I hope that has been debunked now as I still have a full bottle of rad in my cabinet begging to be swallowed.can anyone chime in?
 
From what I’ve seen rad can really tax your lipids and liver, of course I hope that has been debunked now as I still have a full bottle of rad in my cabinet begging to be swallowed.can anyone chime in?

If it messes your liver get some NAC rad can’t be worse than dbol
 
From what I’ve seen rad can really tax your lipids and liver, of course I hope that has been debunked now as I still have a full bottle of rad in my cabinet begging to be swallowed.can anyone chime in?

I never had bloods done during any of my Rad experiences. What I will say is that it gave me darkened (amber hue) urine during all three (?) experiences. Whether that was liver or kidney function issues, or otherwise, is uncertain. An increase in water and cessation of RAD always showed a very quick turnaround in urine hue.
 
Op why rad? I’ve had amazing results on LGD4033 and MK677 great for bulking then when you go for cut I use Osta and MK677. I don’t get the increased hunger from MK677 therefore I can use it for cut if you get hunger probably not a good idea.
 
You'll get greater results from Test E although there's no reason not to stack all 3 if you want to. No SARM on its own comes close to Test E.
 
I never had bloods done during any of my Rad experiences. What I will say is that it gave me darkened (amber hue) urine during all three (?) experiences. Whether that was liver or kidney function issues, or otherwise, is uncertain. An increase in water and cessation of RAD always showed a very quick turnaround in urine hue.

My point is; if sarms are supposed to be a safer alternative to ph why bother if there going to tax you? You might as well go for ph’s that offer more gains if the sides are similar... just my 2cents( euro cents that is )
 
I’m in the same boat as you although the reason I don’t want to make the move is because I’m scared of messing with my prostrate and my LH&FSH this is where it comes down to do you want kids or not? Sarms don’t touch or barely touch those hormones.

If you don’t want to mess with prostate, lh, fah, etc, then you probably should stay natural. Not saying that sarms are extremely suppressive, but they’re definitely still suppressive.
 
If you don’t want to mess with prostate, lh, fah, etc, then you probably should stay natural. Not saying that sarms are extremely suppressive, but they’re definitely still suppressive.

Of natty T yes but suppression doesn’t have to deal with lh and fsh. Only saying this because there studies out there that state sarms don’t affect the prostate and lh and fsh. Even if they were to get slightly affected wouldn’t a proper pct bring them back to range of your normal?
 
My point is; if sarms are supposed to be a safer alternative to ph why bother if there going to tax you? You might as well go for ph’s that offer more gains if the sides are similar... just my 2cents( euro cents that is )

I guess that really depends on what "tax" you're willing to accept. If I can run 6 weeks of LGD, have great results, and at the same time see no noticeable negative side-effects, I'd take that any day of the week over a DMZ/Msten run where the results might be better but I know I will see some mild acute liver issues and definitely some hairloss. Personal experience and acceptance of perceived sife-effects will always be the ultimate decider.

SARMs, from my experence, don't affect hairloss, liver values and blood pressure as much as many oral steroids. Of course the gains aren't usually as nice either. And yes, they can absolutely affect hormones, lipids, liver values, etc. My SARM experiences have been overwhelmingly positive for the most part.

Having said all of that, who knows what the long-term side-effects of using these investigational drugs will be... I think part of the problem with SARMs, and to a lesser extent oral steroids, is that you never really know what you're getting or if the dose actually matches the label claim. We're all really just guessing with this stuff anyway. SARMs are also readily available so the ease in which they can be purchased is just silly.

For those that think these drugs are an escape from having negative side-effects while still having great gains, that's just not the case. The "side-effect free" SARM agenda that was pushed by the people who originally brought these compounds to the research/supplement market has had a hard time dying. SARMs are not without side-effects in their paid studies and they are certainly not without increased drawbacks when used at many times the studied dosing. These selective androgens are not nearly as selective, when overused as bodybuilding supplements, as people would like to believe.

One thing is for sure, SARMs are not close to being the "holy grail" that people wish they were. Many more years of study and development needs to take place. Thankfully these pharmaceutical companies have all of us as guinea pigs....

I'll agree with your notion that, if the side-effects are similar, why would you choose a SARM over a more widely used steroid hormone. For many though, the side-effects are less or at least different and that tends to match up with the "gains".
 
I like lgd amd had good gains but whenever I run it I end up with black lumps on my inner thighs. Even with all the cycle care to go alongside it. Maybe it’s just coincide it happens.
 
I like lgd amd had good gains but whenever I run it I end up with black lumps on my inner thighs. Even with all the cycle care to go alongside it. Maybe it’s just coincide it happens.

Wow, I've never heard that. Thankfully my experience with SARMs has been positive. Definitely not enough studies on this stuff for people to be using them for many months out of a year. I keep my SARM experiences short and don't repeat compounds without a lot of inbetween time.
 
Of natty T yes but suppression doesn’t have to deal with lh and fsh. Only saying this because there studies out there that state sarms don’t affect the prostate and lh and fsh. Even if they were to get slightly affected wouldn’t a proper pct bring them back to range of your normal?

Suppression of natural testosterone will include suppression of lh and fsh
 
Then why do people not use HCG as part of their pct when using sarms but they do when using steroids
 
Then why do people not use HCG as part of their pct when using sarms but they do when using steroids

Hcg is an lh analogue, meaning it’s practically a synthetic form of lh. Using it in pct isn’t how it’s properly used, as it would suppress natural lh. People use it prior to pct to help with the transition to pct. Sarms are suppressive just like ph, ds, and aas; just to a less severe degree, depending on dose, duration etc.
 
Then why do people not use HCG as part of their pct when using sarms but they do when using steroids
HCG just kickstarts the balls by mimicing LH. It’s generally used in conjunction with long cycles (12-16 weeks) to help restart the hpta after an extended period of shutdown.

If you could run sarms at effective doses for this long of a period, there would be no reason not to run HCG along with it. This isn’t reality, however, because it’s just not worth it to run any orals for longer than 8 weeks. And one wouldn’t need HCG on an 8 week test cycle either

As stated above, sarms suppress LH and FSH. The level of suppression depends on the compound and the individual
 
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