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Test E only cycle essentials

TheBigJS said:
Indeed, the bodybuilders of the 70s,80s and even 90s didn't use AIs or PCT or know what they were. But they did favour cycles with no test, everything they took was pharma grade, they didn't do grams a week and we only know what happened to the very best. We don't see those who got gyno from their first cycle. Or those who did one cycle and never recovered.

To say they dedicated their lives to it they weren't that lean or that big, so stories of them using steroids in low doses (and occasionally, Jean Paul Guillaume? claiming natty when there was no reason to) are very believable. Arnold is taller and competed at lighter than me! Ok I'm probably 10% higher bodyfat than him on stage but even so muscle mass wise for my height I'm not a million miles away, do I look like him? God no! I look like a regular big guy in the gym.
And Arnold was big, Frank Zane competed at 190lb! Ok he was lean but 5'9", 190lb and lean is probably achievable natty.
Once again you wouldn't look like him as you don't have a 28" waist or those crazy wide shoulders but his mass was nothing special, there are dozens on this board with higher FFMIs and leaner than him.

So, you're not Arnold, Frank or Jean, you don't really know what they did. Don't try and emulate them ;)
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I don't have a 28 inch waste. I have a 29 inch waste. Please don't assume brother.

Again, AIs are overkill. I'm speaking from experience. I'm not "emulating" anyone.

I'm not comparing myself to them.
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TheBigJS said:
You can draw with a 29, it just takes time. Leave the vial in a bowl of hot water for 5 mins if you really struggle.
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No you can't draw with a 29.

That's fukkin rediculous.

Why do that, when you can buy 20gauges and not have to heat up anything.

Don't try drawing with a 29 kids...
 
TheBigJS said:
You can draw with a 29, it just takes time. Leave the vial in a bowl of hot water for 5 mins if you really struggle.
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I tried drawing my deca the other day with a 25... Took forever.

Idk about you, buy I don't have time to sit there all day trying to pull thick oil through a tiny needle. The viscosity is too thick.

Save yourself time and frustration, get the 20s to draw.
 
a basic anti estrogen or serm will work. Nolva, clomid, ralox is my favorite. Crushing estrogen with an ai will limit size and can have nasty side effects if overdone. On top of that ai's arnt good for cholesterol. Serms are
 
Is it safe to say use AI as necessary if i get estro sides? Ive always kept an AI on hand for sarm cycles but never had to use
 
Davy25 said:
Is it safe to say use AI as necessary if i get estro sides? Ive always kept an AI on hand for sarm cycles but never had to use
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Yes always good to have an ai on hand just in case. That said if intelligent more than likely you wont need it. Its okay to use them though, I personally dont like them much bc Ive always had trouble with the,. Maybe its my body chemistry, so i prefer a serm

Bintherduntht said:
Sure keep the AI handy, but if your nipples flare up and you get moody, take nolvadex
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I say take a serm if you suspect gyno may occur. Im on 200 mgs test a week and taking a serm, raloxifene, one of the reason is, bc raloxifene increased bne mineral density so mines for my bones
 
Just wanted to get some general feedback without starting a new thread, but do yall take pre workout while on cycle?

I am starting my cycle tomorrow, can i keep taking beta alanin, cittruline, arginine, caffeine, and creatine pre workout or should i just limit it to a caffeine pill?

A little worried all that stuff prior to lifting might be hell on mt heart.
 
Also, ive never taken tbol or test before, should i start out just taking the tbol for the first week or should i start taking tbol AND test at the same time about 45 mins pre workout?
 
Bintherduntht said:
And a 20 is even easier, and faster. And they cost the same... Man this is a toughy
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25g is my preferred for everything but flutes
That I use a 23g 1.5”
It’s not about the cost but I like to use the smallest needle possible to limit the about of scar tissue
 
BloodManor said:
25g is my preferred for everything but flutes
That I use a 23g 1.5”
It’s not about the cost but I like to use the smallest needle possible to limit the about of scar tissue
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We were talking specifically ABOUT DRAWING UP THE OIL

THIS HAPPENS A LOT. GUYS DON'T READ THE WHOLE POST.

My stance is that drawing with anything smaller than a 20g will take longer/ineffective.

I never said I shoot with a 20.

I shoot large muscles with a 25x1 and smaller with a 27x1/2
 
BloodManor said:
25g is my preferred for everything but flutes
That I use a 23g 1.5”
It’s not about the cost but I like to use the smallest needle possible to limit the about of scar tissue
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We were talking specifically ABOUT DRAWING UP THE OIL

THIS HAPPENS A LOT. GUYS DON'T READ THE WHOLE POST.

My stance is that drawing with anything smaller than a 20g will take longer/ineffective.

I never said I shoot with a 20.

I shoot large muscles with a 25x1 and smaller with a 27x1/2
 
Bintherduntht said:
Not to argue, but for me, nolvadex cures all that. Makes me randy af. Sucks all water out, and evens out my mood.

I asked my mentor for AIs all the time, he said you don't need it
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LOL
You reminded me of my old doc again.

I remember a bit but you would need to check it out to be sure. I think it's a pre-hcg
and blasting&crusing way.

Nolva used from the start of a cycle fills the estro receptor and estro has a spike but the body will compensate and down regulate natural estro production to find a better balance because the receptors stay happy.
Nolva also has the opposite effect as e2 on the pituitary keeping lh production going and olso helps hdl.
Once AIs get used if I remember correct some will upregulate the estro receptor. Not good.

I learnt all this a long time ago so check it out. It's a bit vague but I'm pretty sure that's the idea behind it.
 
Newth said:
LOL
You reminded me of my old doc again.

I remember a bit but you would need to check it out to be sure. I think it's a pre-hcg
and blasting&crusing way.

Nolva used from the start of a cycle fills the estro receptor and estro has a spike but the body will compensate and down regulate natural estro production to find a better balance because the receptors stay happy.
Nolva also has the opposite effect as e2 on the pituitary keeping lh production going and olso helps hdl.
Once AIs get used if I remember correct some will upregulate the estro receptor. Not good.

I learnt all this a long time ago so check it out. It's a bit vague but I'm pretty sure that's the idea behind it.
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Exactly. AIs are not needed. Period. Why do these companies tell you that you need 1000mg of test, 500mg tren 600mg primo to notice effects?

So you buy all their juice!

Lol idk.

For me, I can gain on 100mg tren a week.

Think about it. Trenbolone is 5Xs as anabolic and 5Xs as androgenic as test...

So why the FUK would you need 500mg a week???

Makes no sense to me.

I'm stoked I can gain off 100mg tren a week. Just means I can buy less, see more.

Also, I can take 100mg Primobolan a week and see differences.

People will say Primobolan isn't working. It is just not the way you want it.
 
Bintherduntht said:
Exactly. AIs are not needed. Period. Why do these companies tell you that you need 1000mg of test, 500mg tren 600mg primo to notice effects?

So you buy all their juice!

Lol idk.

For me, I can gain on 100mg tren a week.

Think about it. Trenbolone is 5Xs as anabolic and 5Xs as androgenic as test...

So why the FUK would you need 500mg a week???

Makes no sense to me.

I'm stoked I can gain off 100mg tren a week. Just means I can buy less, see more.

Also, I can take 100mg Primobolan a week and see differences.

People will say Primobolan isn't working. It is just not the way you want it.
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I think ai's are needed but shouldn't be anywhere as ofter as they are.
For most well tuned cycles shouldn't but doses like you were just saying then yeah, lol.
Then just some people can't do without.
 
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