Test E & NPP

[enhanced]

After doing some research, I've purchased some NPP (already on TRT & have plenty of test e). I plan on a blast coming up soon. I did bloodwork this morning & am quite sure that test levels are low or at lest where the Dr wants them. I'm on 100mg a week.. I'm meeting w/ the Dr next Friday. Like I said, more than likely, my levels will be low, so I'll discuss bumping up the weekly dose. She's just not too up to speed on hrt..
I was hoping to start my blast in December, but the timing w/ bloods just wasn't right.

So, my thinking was a blast of 300 NPP/300 test e for about 8-10 weeks.

Since my test dose was so low, I was thinking of pinning 300 for the next 2-3 weeks & then starting the NPP @ 300.

Anybody think that's a decent plan? Or do you think I could jump right into the NPP?

Also, I've been seeing a lot of people say 300mg a week, eod.. Does that mean M, W, F? Take Sat & Sun off? My NPP is 100mg/ml. I have a ton of slin pins, so I have no problem pinning ed just to make the equation easier.

I have plenty of exemestane and caber on hand.

Also, I've seen a handful of people mention running mast w/ this.. I know that helps somewhat w/ estro related sides..

 

[Whisky]

Hey bro,

I’m massive nandrolone fan so you’ll never find me saying a bad thing about that sort of cycle plan. 300:300 is solid dosing.

what’s the aim of the blast? Bulk or cut? Only ask as I definitely wouldn’t bother with mast on a bulk (actually partly due to the anti estrogenic nature), I’d consider it on a cut (and have used it on my last cut) but depends on you and how you respond to test (how much you aromatise mainly) and either hair loss is a concern (mast is noted by many for negatively affect the hairline). Maybe I’m being harsh on mast, others do like it. For me the DHT’s are just nice additions to a cycle rather than any sort of driving force.

half life is 4 days if I recall right so the pin schedule you’ve outlined would be ok, a true eod or Ed to get more stability in peak serum levels probably preferable but I don’t think we are talking a massive difference

 

[Humbl3]

Subd
Sorry that I can’t contribute to your post but am extremely interested in this exact cycle...

 

[Humbl3]

@enhanced
Please log this if you can

 

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@enhanced
Please log this if you can

I might just do that...

 

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@Whiskey thanks for the info bro!! I guess I'm looking at a clean bulk.. If that is such a thing.. Being that it's a short cycle, I'd like to put on as much as I can without putting on too much extra fat.. I do understand that diet and training play a crucial role in this.
I'm definitely not worried about hair loss. Lol. I've got more hair right now (turning 49 next week), than I've had in years!! Letting it grow out for the winter was a good choice. Lol. I work outside. I hate the cold.

 

[CroLifter]

Hey bro,

I’m massive nandrolone fan so you’ll never find me saying a bad thing about that sort of cycle plan. 300:300 is solid dosing.

what’s the aim of the blast? Bulk or cut? Only ask as I definitely wouldn’t bother with mast on a bulk (actually partly due to the anti estrogenic nature), I’d consider it on a cut (and have used it on my last cut) but depends on you and how you respond to test (how much you aromatise mainly) and either hair loss is a concern (mast is noted by many for negatively affect the hairline). Maybe I’m being harsh on mast, others do like it. For me the DHT’s are just nice additions to a cycle rather than any sort of driving force.

half life is 4 days if I recall right so the pin schedule you’ve outlined would be ok, a true eod or Ed to get more stability in peak serum levels probably preferable but I don’t think we are talking a massive difference

This mast will just add androgenic burden and wont help at alp in a gaining phase.

I had a bad experience with it at a high dose but now really like it in a maintenance cruise phase with trt dose of test at like 50-80mg a week.

For gaining its useless it will make you shed and breakout, way better off increasing either test or nandrolone as cycle progresses...believe me pyramiding up is the sh1t...thee is a max speed at which you can grow at and then when myostatin elevates (for me after 6 weeks gains stall) simply bump up the doses of existing compounds


Most of the time our ability to eat enough cals is the limiting factor when it comes to growth not the amount of drugs we take, i learned that after the 1st cycle where i abused unnecessarily hah

 

[Whisky]

This mast will just add androgenic burden and wont help at alp in a gaining phase.

I had a bad experience with it at a high dose but now really like it in a maintenance cruise phase with trt dose of test at like 50-80mg a week.

For gaining its useless it will make you shed and breakout, way better off increasing either test or nandrolone as cycle progresses...believe me pyramiding up is the sh1t...thee is a max speed at which you can grow at and then when myostatin elevates (for me after 6 weeks gains stall) simply bump up the doses of existing compounds


Most of the time our ability to eat enough cals is the limiting factor when it comes to growth not the amount of drugs we take, i learned that after the 1st cycle where i abused unnecessarily hah

yeah exactly. I said I could see mast benefitting cut but low dose on a cruise I get as well to be fair.

the calorie thing I am learning right now.

on a bulk that’s going brilliantly in all regards but I’ve stalled at 231 purely because I can’t get the calories in (combination of work getting mad busy and actually limiting time to eat and adrol hitting the appetite hard).

pointless increasing doses as I know that’s not the issue (and they are high already). Stupid thing is I’m still 7lbs off my heaviest bulking weight but I’ve dialled in the cycle and compounds better so I’m not holding as much water.

increasing fats as a way forward cause I have 8 weeks of 16 left and I’m not close to being done yet

 

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I'll stay away from the mast & just run the 2..
Trying to do the math for ed pinning with slin pins right now.

 

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I have a lot of td epiandro. I may include that.

 

[Whisky]

I have a lot of td epiandro. I may include that.

I think that would be a nice basis for a lean bulk bro. Covers the three test variants and shouldn’t be excessive on sides at all.

epiandro is under rated imho. In terms of that up for it, hard training, feel good, wanna sling tin type drive without any excessive sides or even a significant androgenic burden it works really well.

 

[enhanced]

Yeah, I've always loved epiandro. Treats me well.

 

[UNX]

I'm currently on NPP/Test E 400/400, I pin it M/W/F.
I jumped right into the NPP, expecting to feel a lack of libido until the test kicks, but that didn't happen. And it's almost PIP free. I'm bulking, eating around 4400 kcal on training days but my fat % is still below 20% despite I tend to gain a lot of fat. My BP is higher than usual despite taking 15 mg aromasin ED, but gyno is under control.

 

[Pleonastic]

EOD means every other day. MWF is not EOD. I think with NPP eod would be best but just MWF is still fine.

 

[CroLifter]

I'm currently on NPP/Test E 400/400, I pin it M/W/F.
I jumped right into the NPP, expecting to feel a lack of libido until the test kicks, but that didn't happen. And it's almost PIP free. I'm bulking, eating around 4400 kcal on training days but my fat % is still below 20% despite I tend to gain a lot of fat. My BP is higher than usual despite taking 15 mg aromasin ED, but gyno is under control.

There is something about 19 nors and bp they seem to cause it to go higher regardless. Both nandrolone and tren. I think its vasoconstriction perhaps.

 

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Welp.. Now I'm starting to second guess my decision to run the NPP...

https://forums.t-nation.com/t/npp-and-deca-dick-the-real-reason/250849/21

I have everything I need to run it smart, but I just don't know if im ready for a limp willy...

 

[Pleonastic]

Welp.. Now I'm starting to second guess my decision to run the NPP...

https://forums.t-nation.com/t/npp-and-deca-dick-the-real-reason/250849/21

I have everything I need to run it smart, but I just don't know if im ready for a limp willy...

I'm on deca only right now. Dick is not limp, I'm logging the cycle of you care to check it out.

 

[enhanced]

I'm on deca only right now. Dick is not limp, I'm logging the cycle of you care to check it out.

I will! Thank you!

 

[Whisky]

Welp.. Now I'm starting to second guess my decision to run the NPP...

https://forums.t-nation.com/t/npp-and-deca-dick-the-real-reason/250849/21

I have everything I need to run it smart, but I just don't know if im ready for a limp willy...

I’m running 600mg deca right now and just been up to my nuts in guts (it’s Saturday night here and I came about 10 mins ago ) with no problem bro.

never had an issue on any deca cycle although I will say it I sometimes don’t get as hard. Like hard enough for sure but you know when your really turned on and it feels like your foreskin might rip hard doesnt happen as much or at all (so when I know I might need to go a couple of times over a couple of days I drop 10-20 gm cialis and could **** a hole in a wall).

 

[Humbl3]

If the only problem with NPP is a limp dick then I’m in... ain’t no Thing but a chicken Wing!!

 

[Pleonastic]

If the only problem with NPP is a limp dick then I’m in... ain’t no Thing but a chicken Wing!!

Like I said mine works fine on deca right now. But damn why you say that? Lol You never **** or what? I don't much these days but at times.

 

[jimmydee2000]

Deca Dick is no joke! Did Deca for the first time at 400 mg week along with Test 400, anavar and MAst at 400mg a week. About a month into the Deca I started to notice softer erections and drop in libido. Started 0.25 mg of PRamipexole right away. ITs been about a month and things are starting to return to normal slowly. Not sure if the PRamipexole is helping or the Deca is finally leaving my system.

 

[CroLifter]

Like I said mine works fine on deca right now. But damn why you say that? Lol You never **** or what? I don't much these days but at times.

I couldnt eff on test and masteron. My prolactin was almost the double the top of the range. It wasnt ed, just complete absence of libido. So its not only deca.

You find yourself rather watching some youtube videos and going to sleep.


All steroids unfortunately have the ability to cause problems in this area. Once you start you re phuked. On cycle you dont have libido (at least in my case) because hormones are all over thplace. Off cycle your test is low and you re stressed cant sleep so that impacts libido too.

It will never be the same as before ime.

 

[jimmydee2000]

I couldnt eff on test and masteron. My prolactin was almost the double the top of the range. It wasnt ed, just complete absence of libido. So its not only deca.

You find yourself rather watching some youtube videos and going to sleep.


All steroids unfortunately have the ability to cause problems in this area. Once you start you re phuked. On cycle you dont have libido (at least in my case) because hormones are all over thplace. Off cycle your test is low and you re stressed cant sleep so that impacts libido too.

It will never be the same as before ime.

How long have things been messed up for you? If prolactin was almost double did you try Caber or PRamipexole?

 

[Whisky]

I couldnt eff on test and masteron. My prolactin was almost the double the top of the range. It wasnt ed, just complete absence of libido. So its not only deca.

You find yourself rather watching some youtube videos and going to sleep.


All steroids unfortunately have the ability to cause problems in this area. Once you start you re phuked. On cycle you dont have libido (at least in my case) because hormones are all over thplace. Off cycle your test is low and you re stressed cant sleep so that impacts libido too.

It will never be the same as before ime.

does cialis not work for you bro?

I get a slightly softer erection when I’m on deca and I’ve already knocked one out during the day but even 10mg cialis has been like steel no problem....

 

[CroLifter]

How long have things been messed up for you? If prolactin was almost double did you try Caber or PRamipexole?

I never had what you guys call ED ever in my life. Its purely lack of libido. I know this because stimulsting by hand isnt an issue. Its the lack of sensitivity and connection to the brain.

You are attracted to a woman but you cant get aroused. I dont know if you understand if you didnt experience it.


Tbh idk...ever since i turned 20, 21 i noticed my libido was severely lacking, before i touched aas. Its just that its a bit worse on cycle and it also seems to be bit worse now after cycling of coure because my natural test is not the same.

I used caber on cycle did nothing. Masteron and tren both killed my libido. Test also does which is weird yes. In fact aas in general destroy it. Hcg kinda helps though.


I managed to increase my libido off cycle recently with p5p and l dopa, significantly, but never put it to use so cant really say how effective those really are.

@Whisky i am actually planning to test out the cialis and l dopa combo just to see how powerful erections can i get lol. I dont really have the opportunity to test with a real partner but at least i will see if cialis has an effect.


Back in the day cialis also did nothing, pde5 inhibitors dont do jack sh1t if your libido is non-existent. Brain is a complex, tedious and fuked up structure.



Off topic here we go. @enhanced as you can see a million things can have a negative impact, so the bottom line is, if you like npp and find that it suits your goal, i wouldnt simply discount it because it may or may not cause a particular issue thats not even serious health risk

 

[Whisky]

I never had what you guys call ED ever in my life. Its purely lack of libido. I know this because stimulsting by hand isnt an issue. Its the lack of sensitivity and connection to the brain.

You are attracted to a woman but you cant get aroused. I dont know if you understand if you didnt experience it.


Tbh idk...ever since i turned 20, 21 i noticed my libido was severely lacking, before i touched aas. Its just that its a bit worse on cycle and it also seems to be bit worse now after cycling of coure because my natural test is not the same.

I used caber on cycle did nothing. Masteron and tren both killed my libido. Test also does which is weird yes. In fact aas in general destroy it. Hcg kinda helps though.


I managed to increase my libido off cycle recently with p5p and l dopa, significantly, but never put it to use so cant really say how effective those really are.

@Whisky i am actually planning to test out the cialis and l dopa combo just to see how powerful erections can i get lol. I dont really have the opportunity to test with a real partner but at least i will see if cialis has an effect.


Back in the day cialis also did nothing, pde5 inhibitors dont do jack sh1t if your libido is non-existent. Brain is a complex, tedious and fuked up structure.



Off topic here we go. @enhanced as you can see a million things can have a negative impact, so the bottom line is, if you like npp and find that it suits your goal, i wouldnt simply discount it because it may or may not cause a particular issue thats not even serious health risk

genuine question bro but you considered whether it’s a gender thing? Society tells men we should find women attractive (and obviously many do) but I’ve friends who got married, had kids and then came out in their 30’s and 40’s. I asked one my mate who had three kids at the time how come he got married and all that if he knew he liked men and he said he never consciously considered it. He just thought his low libido was down to stress and life etc, apparently him and his wife had sex infrequently and he had trouble getting an erection but it was doable on occasion (hence the three kids).

last time I saw him he was the happiest he’d ever been and was getting married to his partner.

i mention it purely as some similarities in what you are saying and life is way too short too spend it not being as happy as you can.

whatever the cause I hope you find a solution bro

 

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I find out next week where my t levels are at.. Every time I go for bloodwork (every 6 months), I reduce my test intake to make sure I'm not too high.
I think I started too soon this time as I have noticed a definite drop in libido and erectile quality..
I guess that's why I'm nervous.. Going into a cycle that could likely make bedroom matters worse..
Might just let those vials sit & just blast test.. Maybe next fall, if I blast again, I will run the npp.

 

[theswede]

I find out next week where my t levels are at.. Every time I go for bloodwork (every 6 months), I reduce my test intake to make sure I'm not too high.
I think I started too soon this time as I have noticed a definite drop in libido and erectile quality..
I guess that's why I'm nervous.. Going into a cycle that could likely make bedroom matters worse..
Might just let those vials sit & just blast test.. Maybe next fall, if I blast again, I will run the npp.

I hear you. Add in the epi andro and 5mg of cialis and a day and you’ll have no problem going to pound town when you need too.

 

[enhanced]

You saying add those to the test AND npp?

 

[theswede]

You saying add those to the test AND npp?

Yes sir! DHT (less than mast) will help libido and cialis will keep blood flow moving and allow the noodle to stay a little more plumb than usual.

 

[Whisky]

I hear you. Add in the epi andro and 5mg of cialis and a day and you’ll have no problem going to pound town when you need too.

this defo works (for me and people I know anyway).. granted I’ve never had an libido issue but cialis and epiandro put it through the roof and give you the tools to take advantage of that situation

 

[CroLifter]

@Whisky i wont spam the thread anymore but I have to respond to that question lol (before i throw my lagging phone out the window) , no, its not a gender thing lol maybe i am turning asexual slowly since i entered 20s, maybe, but then from time to time i have bouts of libido that remind me i am a normal male, its just that its so elusive and me trying to analyze whats wrong ands find a solution always failed to produce a desirable outcome

and actually it does bother me in a way because it gets in the way of relationships, ie you are afraid to make a move because you realize what the girl is after but you also know your sh1t doesnt work so you miss out
You see why i m pissed. Even gay men are able to perform with women and my sh1t dead, there is an element of anxiety in there, once it happens it tends to linger thr thought that its btoken forever, but still...




@theswede what do you meaan by "less than mast"? Mast is a dht derivative, alongside proviron the closest one can get to natural dht.

 

[theswede]

@Whisky i wont spam the thread anymore but I have to respond to that question lol (before i throw my lagging phone out the window) , no, its not a gender thing lol maybe i am turning asexual slowly since i entered 20s, maybe, but then from time to time i have bouts of libido that remind me i am a normal male, its just that its so elusive and me trying to analyze whats wrong ands find a solution always failed to produce a desirable outcome

and actually it does bother me in a way because it gets in the way of relationships, ie you are afraid to make a move because you realize what the girl is after but you also know your sh1t doesnt work so you miss out
You see why i m pissed. Even gay men are able to perform with women and my sh1t dead, there is an element of anxiety in there, once it happens it tends to linger thr thought that its btoken forever, but still...




@theswede what do you meaan by "less than mast"? Mast is a dht derivative, alongside proviron the closest one can get to natural dht.

Op said he was gonna postpone masteron and that he enjoys Epi andro. So I was saying that epi andro can provide some of the same benefits as mast, albeit on a smaller scale.

 

[Whisky]

I’ll

@Whisky i wont spam the thread anymore but I have to respond to that question lol (before i throw my lagging phone out the window) , no, its not a gender thing lol maybe i am turning asexual slowly since i entered 20s, maybe, but then from time to time i have bouts of libido that remind me i am a normal male, its just that its so elusive and me trying to analyze whats wrong ands find a solution always failed to produce a desirable outcome

and actually it does bother me in a way because it gets in the way of relationships, ie you are afraid to make a move because you realize what the girl is after but you also know your sh1t doesnt work so you miss out
You see why i m pissed. Even gay men are able to perform with women and my sh1t dead, there is an element of anxiety in there, once it happens it tends to linger thr thought that its btoken forever, but still...




@theswede what do you meaan by "less than mast"? Mast is a dht derivative, alongside proviron the closest one can get to natural dht.

Yeah @enhanced - sorry for the derail bro.

@CroLifter fair enough, was a genuine comment, something defo wrong though. Thinking maybe it’s become purely mental now (as in you had an issue for whatever reason but now it’s the mental side/anxiety that’s crushing your libido and causing ED). Fear of what might happen can be crippling

best solution I’ve ever seen to that is open communication with a women, explain your situation and how although you find her attractive you struggle to connect that to your sword. If she’s worth it she’ll help out your mind and ease and you’ll probably find when the pressure is off things happen as they should.

I genuinely wish you the best on that one though. My libido and creaminess (I typed freakiness but love the autocorrect so leaving it ) in the bedroom is so important to me on a primal level, I’m not sure I’d cope with what your going through

 

[Zvch]

I never had what you guys call ED ever in my life. Its purely lack of libido. I know this because stimulsting by hand isnt an issue. Its the lack of sensitivity and connection to the brain.

You are attracted to a woman but you cant get aroused. I dont know if you understand if you didnt experience it.


Tbh idk...ever since i turned 20, 21 i noticed my libido was severely lacking, before i touched aas. Its just that its a bit worse on cycle and it also seems to be bit worse now after cycling of coure because my natural test is not the same.

I used caber on cycle did nothing. Masteron and tren both killed my libido. Test also does which is weird yes. In fact aas in general destroy it. Hcg kinda helps though.


I managed to increase my libido off cycle recently with p5p and l dopa, significantly, but never put it to use so cant really say how effective those really are.

@Whisky i am actually planning to test out the cialis and l dopa combo just to see how powerful erections can i get lol. I dont really have the opportunity to test with a real partner but at least i will see if cialis has an effect.


Back in the day cialis also did nothing, pde5 inhibitors dont do jack sh1t if your libido is non-existent. Brain is a complex, tedious and fuked up structure.



Off topic here we go. @enhanced as you can see a million things can have a negative impact, so the bottom line is, if you like npp and find that it suits your goal, i wouldnt simply discount it because it may or may not cause a particular issue thats not even serious health risk

You mentioned androgens didn’t increase your libido but HCG did? Maybe it’s chronically low estrogen? HCG will definitely raise estrogen a bit. Have you gotten bloodwork done?

I had the same issues around the same age you mentioned and they weren’t resolved until I found the right testosterone dose, ester and AI dosage. It took a while. The sweet spot for me is 125mg Test E on Monday and Friday, and 0.25mg Anastrozole every 3rd injection (week and a half).

If low T and libido is your issue, I highly doubt 50-80mg of Test a week is going to be enough to resolve that. Try bumping that up to 150mg and bump it another 25-50 every 2 weeks until you find a good spot. Get bloodwork done.

And if HCG helps, why not take it year round? You’re on Test anyway.

 

[CroLifter]

Cialis can be a great addition. I feel regrets for not including it on my 500 test cycle as my blood pressure was constantly elevated at like 145/90. Ccuriously enough on lowe test and low dose tren ace bp was great.

Npp (and tren for that matter), well nandrolones in general have a reputation of raising blood pressure so sth like 5mg ed or eod will be of benefit. Also the pumps and nutrient delivery to the muscles.

But...cialis + caber = potentially passing out.





@Whisky its probably mostly mental now, anxiety but there is a hormonal element as at times libido is 0. Its like when you cant sleep, for the love of god you cant "make" yourself fall asleep (i have troubles sleeping off cycle), gotta let it happen by itself. Same with erections, gotta let them happen cant force them when you are all up in yout head pissed off and neurotic (already can hear it coming, drink a shot or two before)


@Zvch i am not on test

Edit: my phone keeps skipping letters as i type, obviously its time to throw it out the window.