Test-e junk... need to add an oral. EPI question??

[mgreen3313]

so hypothetically if was already on cycle of test-e at 500 wk in week 6 but suspecting a bad batch...ya. how would you finish up the cycle. my original plan was to run the last 2weeks, wks 8-10, of 500 test and throw in the epi at 40 ed for those two weeks and then two weeks btwn cycle straight to pct. Im not getting the gains or strength or libido from the test that i should by wk 6 (up only like 4 lbs bench up about 5) so i am expecting its underdosed or junk. BTW yes my diet is in check. 3500 cal non training days and 4200 on training days. 350 protien per day. i am giong to finish out the test-e just incase its just underdosed but want to finish with an oral to get something out of this cycle...hence the previous question of 6 wks of epi ed at 30 or 40.. wks 6-10 of cycle then the 2 weeks prior to pct. any thoughts? not effective past 4 weeks. im not too worried about sides of epi as i have run it twice before and its so mild. i appreciate any advice.

 

[ezza]

your probably going to get shitty with me but i'm going to say it anyway your diet could be a lot better.... how did u come to 3500cals on off days and 4200 on work out days??? If i was at your weight (assuming your BF% is relatively low) i would be aiming for like 5000cals... and there is no way i'd drop calories on non training days... your protein intake is good but seriously smash some more complex carbs and quality fats then come back in 2 weeks and tell me i'm wrong...

 

[jman2129]

your probably going to get shitty with me but i'm going to say it anyway your diet could be a lot better.... how did u come to 3500cals on off days and 4200 on work out days??? If i was at your weight (assuming your BF% is relatively low) i would be aiming for like 5000cals... and there is no way i'd drop calories on non training days... your protein intake is good but seriously smash some more complex carbs and quality fats then come back in 2 weeks and tell me i'm wrong...

x2. Week 6 is when my last test cycle really kicked in. I ran epi the last 4 weeks of the test. It helped to hold on to gains. By the way, what brand of test are you running? My diet consisted of 4-500g of protein and all the complex carbs I could get into my stomach.

I gained 15 lbs the last 4 weeks of my cycle.

 

[Rommel]

Keep your calorie intake high every day. 4200 KCAl for example
After training, your protein synthesis is increased 48-72 hours after workout, and the peak is about 10 hours after training.
It is becaused of the increased protein synthesis you grow.

 

[mgreen3313]

your probably going to get shitty with me but i'm going to say it anyway your diet could be a lot better.... how did u come to 3500cals on off days and 4200 on work out days??? If i was at your weight (assuming your BF% is relatively low) i would be aiming for like 5000cals... and there is no way i'd drop calories on non training days... your protein intake is good but seriously smash some more complex carbs and quality fats then come back in 2 weeks and tell me i'm wrong...

right on. why would ui get shitty with you? i am asking for advice and you gave some good advice.. i appreciate it. ill bump cals and protein. i have always changed up my diet and on on/off days... not really any different in fats or protien just carbs from my pre and post meals not being there on off days. seems to work in keeping bf low. but thats why i asked to get some advice so ill give it a shot and let you now how it goes... thanks.

 

[mgreen3313]

x2. Week 6 is when my last test cycle really kicked in. I ran epi the last 4 weeks of the test. It helped to hold on to gains. By the way, what brand of test are you running? My diet consisted of 4-500g of protein and all the complex carbs I could get into my stomach.

I gained 15 lbs the last 4 weeks of my cycle.

thats good to hear. i am hoping maybe its just kicking in late, but i thought id atleast have the libido increase by now. the brand is international pharmaceuticals... any idea? im going to bump cals protein and TRY to put down more carbs. seems like i put down everything i can..

 

[jman2129]

As far as I know IP is a ug thats been around for years so it should be good to go. As far as being underdosed, who knows. Only a lab test can determine that. I have seen scammer sites selling it way over priced.

Usually orals are stopped at the last injection. But week 2 is usually when epi products kick in so running it into the two week period before pct to get 4 weeks would be most beneficial.

What are you running for pct, just wondering to compare to mine. I am running torm @120,90,60,30 and AN Drive. Then reduce xt the last two weeks if cort levels increase.

As far as putting down everything you can, I know the feeling. My diet was in check but I caught the flu mid way and lost everything after that i started the epi and pow!

 

[jman2129]

Keep your calorie intake high every day. 4200 KCAl for example
After training, your protein synthesis is increased 48-72 hours after workout, and the peak is about 10 hours after training.
It is becaused of the increased protein synthesis you grow.

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