TEST E + DMZ Question

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I've noticed that many people on this board are opposed to running orals as a kick starter but rather as a finisher to a cycle. I plan on running test for 12 weeks and DMZ for 6 weeks. My question is.....

Do I run test weeks 1-12 and DMZ weeks 6-12?

OR...

Test weeks 1-12 and DMZ 9-15 considering that it will take a few weeks from my last injection for the ester to clear from my system and orals half-life 9-12 hours?

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Here is my cycle layout if anyone is interested.

STATS:
-35 year old male
-5"10
-185 lbs.


PREVIOUS CYCLE HISTORY:
-6 week P-Mag
- 6 week DMZ
-12 weeks Test E with anavar oral kick starter


The Cycle:
Testosterone E - 300mg
Premier Research Essentials - DMZ 15mg
30/45/45/45/45/45

Support Supplements:

5% Nutrition - Liver and Organ Defender (cycle assist)
CEL TUDCA 500mg daily
Creatine
Fish Oil
Multivitamin
Cialis 5mg-20mg (for blood pressure issues)


PCT 6 weeks

Clomid 50/50/25/25/25/25
Nolvadex 20/20/10/10/10/10
Competitive Edge Labs - M-Test
TUDCA 500mg daily
SNS - Reduce XT
Creatine
Arginine
Fish Oil
X Gels
 
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Everything looks good. There is nothing wrong with Kick-starting dmz, you can start it week 2 or 3 just to be safe if you want.
 

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I've noticed that many people on this board are opposed to running orals as a kick starter but rather as a finisher to a cycle. I plan on running test for 12 weeks and DMZ for 6 weeks. My question is.....

Do I run test weeks 1-12 and DMZ weeks 6-12?

OR...

Test weeks 1-12 and DMZ 9-15 considering that it will take a few weeks from my last injection for the ester to clear from my system and orals half-life 9-12 hours?

_____________________________________________________________

Here is my cycle layout if anyone is interested.

STATS:
-35 year old male
-5"10
-185 lbs.


PREVIOUS CYCLE HISTORY:
-6 week P-Mag
- 6 week DMZ
-12 weeks Test E with anavar oral kick starter


The Cycle:
Testosterone E - 300mg
Premier Research Essentials - DMZ 15mg
30/45/45/45/45/45

Support Supplements:

5% Nutrition - Liver and Organ Defender (cycle assist)
CEL TUDCA 500mg daily
Creatine
Fish Oil
Multivitamin
Cialis 5mg-20mg (for blood pressure issues)


PCT 6 weeks

Clomid 50/50/25/25/25/25
Nolvadex 20/20/10/10/10/10
Competitive Edge Labs - M-Test
TUDCA 500mg daily
SNS - Reduce XT
Creatine
Arginine
Fish Oil
X Gels
IMO I’d say you’re fine but I’d just save the creatine arginine and fish oil for the end. Unless you have joint issues I think you’ll be fine and you’re already going to hold some water and just think the creatine would be too much. Better to just use it at the end of cycle. That’s just my opinion based off cycles I’ve ran but depends on the goals you have. I prefer Msten over DMZ as well.
 

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If your are looking for progress start your orals when your oils end. Almost like doing two cycles. When you are done doing your orals your body will be ready to Kickstart rather than waiting for long esters to clear. If you really wanna put on size then do a kick start and a finisher if you actually wanna put then size cruise.
 
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I know a lot of guys like an oral kick starter to see quicker gains, but you also get quicker negative health markers and possible sides like lethargy, loss of appetite, blood pressure. But after the oral, all that’s left is Test. So during about weeks 3-8 is your peak on strength and gains, because your oral was stopped after week 6, and you start to stall around week 9, and still have negative health markers.
If you finish with your oral, it will take patience, as the Test builds up you start noticing gradual strength and muscle gains, with very little if any sides. Then when you add your oral, about week 7, your system is primed and you kind of supercharge your gains. So your cycle will have a gradual buildup until your anabolics are at their peak. That way you continue to gain throughout the cycle , as the anabolics build up, and most of your sides will come towards the end. Your able to stick to your eating plan better, easier to continue cycle and not stop early because of sides, steady gains throughout. In the end typically a much more satisfying cycle.
 

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