Rodja
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Why would test prop not be good for a first cycle? Some would argue that it's a better option since it's easier to control the sides due to the short ester half-life.
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Why would test prop not be good for a first cycle? Some would argue that it's a better option since it's easier to control the sides due to the short ester half-life.
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It's a much better option. Like tren ace. If things get too rough it's easier to jump off and get into PCT than a longer ester. Oh and a half life of 7 - 10 days doesn't mean 2 - 3 weeks and it's out of your system...
fueledpassion
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My first one was Test Prop. It was fun but I liked my long ester Test/EQ/Mast run better..
fueledpassion
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And I also learned that in general, Test E half life is closer to 5-6 days and Cyp is closer to 7 days. This makes sense too considering I was on the one shot per week TRT program for 9 months. Every week I looled forward to my next shot because the difference in serum T was evident.
LionHeart56
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Test Prop / Tren Ace would mean every day or every other day. Your virgin muscles are going to be sore as f*ck especially since most UG gear has higher than necessary BA in it (in an effort to prevent bad sh!t from happening to people who do stupid things like reuse syringes or don't swab the stopper etc.) which is going to irritate your muscle. Some of your first shots are probably gunna fu*king HURT for about 4 days. So the advice you got was solid. Break yourself in before you mess around with short esters.
Stay cautious (500mg EW or so), keep an AI on hand. If bloat gets real bad or nipples are feeling funny estro is too high, if joints get sore or sex drive crashes estro is too low. Use those as guidelines for how to adjust your AI and like I said honestly I probably wouldn't even take it on 500mg per week, MAYBE on the day of your shot. Twice a week pinning would be slightly better but once a week will do you fine. PCT properly at the end of your 16 weeks. Give the test a good ten days to mostly clear before you start. I prefer clomid at 50mg ED for six weeks, but there are other ways to do it. Also you can front-load the first three or four days at double the dose. Feel free to double your first two weeks of test as well this is called "front-loading", it will get your blood levels up to where they are going to be all cycle more quickly.
Good luck bro, work your MOTHER****ING ASS off in that gym and make the iron and everybody who ever talked sh!t your mother****ing bitch. Show all the haters what you're made of.
Stay cautious (500mg EW or so), keep an AI on hand. If bloat gets real bad or nipples are feeling funny estro is too high, if joints get sore or sex drive crashes estro is too low. Use those as guidelines for how to adjust your AI and like I said honestly I probably wouldn't even take it on 500mg per week, MAYBE on the day of your shot. Twice a week pinning would be slightly better but once a week will do you fine. PCT properly at the end of your 16 weeks. Give the test a good ten days to mostly clear before you start. I prefer clomid at 50mg ED for six weeks, but there are other ways to do it. Also you can front-load the first three or four days at double the dose. Feel free to double your first two weeks of test as well this is called "front-loading", it will get your blood levels up to where they are going to be all cycle more quickly.
Good luck bro, work your MOTHER****ING ASS off in that gym and make the iron and everybody who ever talked sh!t your mother****ing bitch. Show all the haters what you're made of.
asilentj3w
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Remember bro he said he gets pharm grade gear. I'm quoting him "And yes I know those prices were high but I'm not upset paying the extra money to know Forsure that my **** comes from the pharmacy rather than getting off some online source which could have something else in it than what labeled on the packaging". His stuff shouldn't have that extra BA in it which is even more reason to run prop first cycle don't you think?
DREA_25
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Man..coming from someone who almost took the dive at your age and about the same size ...don't do it. I just finished my first at 23. Allow yourself more time to increase your natural strength more than anything. You should easily be able to bench 300 and squat 4 bills naturally within the next couple years. I listened to the older guys that said to wait and I had plenty of good gains over the next 4 years.
Alex.k96
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I've heard the sides could be more extreme due to the fact that your system is just getting slammed with test in such a short period of time where as cypionate or enanthate is released in a time release manner rather than just getting slammed with a **** load of test and idk if it's true or not but I also heard that there is a higher conversion rate to estrogen due to the fact your body doesn't know what to do with all that test at once
Alex.k96
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Not to mention you have to pin up a **** load more than you do for cypionate or enanthate
Alex.k96
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Kinda late for that bro I've already pinned up twice I've got 550mgs already in me lol I'm not gonna go back and ***** out and btw sure i could bench 300 naturally I've already hit 270 raw as **** but **** once this test kicks in foreal all my lifts are going to go through the roof
Alex.k96
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Slin pins are really small doesn't I have to be injected intramuscularly??
asilentj3w
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Broscience at its finest
asilentj3w
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Yes it's IM injections. Depends how much BF the pin has to get through if you can use it or not. I used 23 or 25ga 1 to 1-1/2" pins (because it's what I had easiest access to) with my last cycle which was pinning ed for 8 weeks and didn't have any problems. Just buy a foam roller and roll the injection site after pinning. Minimizes pip
Rodja
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Nope.
Alex.k96
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Yah that's the same size I'm using . 23 gauge 1 and 1/2 inch because I'm pinning in the glutes which is a fattier area but by no means am I a fatty individual I'm pretty lean 9-10% body fat
Alex.k96
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Never knew that I thought all aas had to be injected intramuscular expect for the orals of course
LionHeart56
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OK maybe i should have read the whole thread before talking too much trash, because that right there is bull****. Do they even make pharm grade Test Prop? I know one of the posters was saying Tren Ace for a first cycle and there is no pharm grade Trenbolone that is manufactured, veterinary sure but nothing human grade.
But you are correct Sir if indeed he has pharm grade Prop that would be a great run although probably unimaginably expensive as hell.
Rodja
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Of course there's pharm grade test prop. There's also pharm grade tren as well.
LionHeart56
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Bro just do intramuscular those pins you have are perfect.
I've never had any gear that could be pushed through a slin-pin, I know some gear is MCT based instead of the usual grapeseed oil or what have you and supposedly that is good to go with a slin-pin (and of course water based gear but stay away from anything water based that is UGL).
Anyway it doesn't matter hardly anyone pins that subcutaneous and you just need to run standard protocol, this other poster is just trying to show off his internet dick and is confusing all the issues that are relevant to you doing this safely by throwing out a bunch of esoteric ****.
I've never had any gear that could be pushed through a slin-pin, I know some gear is MCT based instead of the usual grapeseed oil or what have you and supposedly that is good to go with a slin-pin (and of course water based gear but stay away from anything water based that is UGL).
Anyway it doesn't matter hardly anyone pins that subcutaneous and you just need to run standard protocol, this other poster is just trying to show off his internet dick and is confusing all the issues that are relevant to you doing this safely by throwing out a bunch of esoteric ****.
LionHeart56
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There absolutely is not bro. Trenbolone is not approved for human use by the FDA. You cannot go to the pharmacy with a script and get tren. It is used for feed efficiency in cattle, and by athletes. That's it.
Rodja
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You must get thick gear then.
You do realize that there are pharmacies outside of the US, right?
LionHeart56
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Here is an interesting thread about the nuances of this argument.
Essentially there is no Human-grade trenbolone, it is not approved for use by humans in any country in the world. Depending upon how you define "pharm grade" it is arguable that some of the unregulated or vet stuff could be labeled that way. Sounds like a sales pitch to me.
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LionHeart56
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In any case Rodja you are completely derailing this thread by trying to argue about stuff completely irrelevant to the OP just to show off. You've spent way too much time on one board and around one local circle apparently and do a lot of preaching. And you were a complete dick to this kid. He didn't create this thread for you to come in here and suck your own e-dick by making yourself feel elite and discouraging him, or for you to show off your AAS knowledge.
The kid is gunna do what he's gunna do, the best we can do for him is inform him of the risks and rewards, be honest, and steer him in a good direction. You're adding a lot of noise that he or any other new guys are going to have to see through to get the information they need to start safely.
I mean all of this with much respect bro you've obviously been to a few rodeos. I'm just suggesting we keep this on track and not be such a dick to new guys.
The kid is gunna do what he's gunna do, the best we can do for him is inform him of the risks and rewards, be honest, and steer him in a good direction. You're adding a lot of noise that he or any other new guys are going to have to see through to get the information they need to start safely.
I mean all of this with much respect bro you've obviously been to a few rodeos. I'm just suggesting we keep this on track and not be such a dick to new guys.
Rodja
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Approved for human use and pharmaceutical grade are not the same things. Pharmaceutical grade is simply is made under a certain set of regulations and procedures; whether or not the product is intended for human use is another story.
Alex.k96
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Couldn't have said that one any better lmfao idk why he even keeps mentioning prop I'm clearly running enanthate right now anyway
LionHeart56
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You're obviously knowledgeable Rodja I just don't think you are being helpful in this thread! Much respect to you bro
Rodja
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I attempted to steer him in the right direction, which is to wait several more years before starting AAS. This advice was ignored and marginalized by the OP. At no point did I insult the guy on any level (besides debunking his claim that he's strong for his age) and, if he's unable to even consider an opinion that doesn't coincide with his desires, then he's shown that he's not emotionally mature to handle the ride of AAS.
Rodja
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I attempted to steer him in the right direction, which is to wait several more years before starting AAS. This advice was ignored and marginalized by the OP. At no point did I insult the guy on any level (besides debunking his claim that he's strong for his age) and, if he's unable to even consider an opinion that doesn't coincide with his desires, then he's shown that he's not emotionally mature to handle the ride of AAS.
LionHeart56
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OP you don't need this guys approval. It's your life, your book. You define you not some random guy on the internet.
And no you're not gunna be winning any powerlifting comps tomorrow but you're certainly not weak. Keep working hard. Read that book I told you about.
And no you're not gunna be winning any powerlifting comps tomorrow but you're certainly not weak. Keep working hard. Read that book I told you about.
Alex.k96
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That's what I've been trying to say the whole time to this dude I'm gonna run my test either way I just wanted advice on what was the best / safest way to run and any other tips relevant to cycling rather than helping me he looked for any ****ing thing to hate on me about but it's whatever.
Haha yah I'm not really into the powerlifting part of the game anyway I train mostly to get big and look good on stage! But thank man I appreciate the motivation and yah I'll deffinately look into that book
B5150
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You came to this conclusion is a short three day...hmmmm. So you're saying it might just be him? Huh!
Then why don't you show your several days from 30yo maturity and move on with the rest of your weekend!?
No one is required to act on your advice. Are you that dense?
Hit the road!
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