Test / Deca / Primo stack

[moslifter]

Great info, thank you all.

I've blasted on Test & Primo 500/500 and even 400/600 before and didn't notice any significant estrogen lowering effects, i guess i aromatize too much. It will be my first time deca though, that's why i was asking.

 

[BBiceps]

Who are you disagreeing with though? All I did was give a personal opinion of what I would do. You're not disagreeing with me at all.

Haha, maybe I misread, sorry.

 

[Hyde]

that’s not a cruise at any dose. I’m on a similar cycle now part of a blast. Test/Deca/mast

600 test
600 Deca
400 mast

yes high doses, but the regular for me I cruise higher then most. No sides for me been taking SNS inhibit-p since day one and take daily cialis anyway. I do have caber but haven’t needed it.

The definition of the slang term cruise is just anything you run inbetween blasts. I have cruised test, mast, and a bit of NPP for a bit. It was 320mg total/wk. I’ve also cruised as low as 150mg test solo. This is all just self-medicated steroid (ab)use.

Do not confuse that with medically prescribed TRT. Which can also be outrageous or very healthy, but that’s a separate topic.

Great info, thank you all.

I've blasted on Test & Primo 500/500 and even 400/600 before and didn't notice any significant estrogen lowering effects, i guess i aromatize too much. It will be my first time deca though, that's why i was asking.

I would start deca at 150-200mg initially and see how it goes for a few weeks before you go all in on it. If you hate it, you are stuck with it for a minute. Acne and bp from the water retention are biggies for me on it even at low doses.

 

[Stopstalking2]

The definition of the slang term cruise is just anything you run inbetween blasts. I have cruised test, mast, and a bit of NPP for a bit. It was 320mg total/wk. I’ve also cruised as low as 150mg test solo. This is all just self-medicated steroid (ab)use.

Do not confuse that with medically prescribed TRT. Which can also be outrageous or very healthy, but that’s a separate topic.



I would start deca at 150-200mg initially and see how it goes for a few weeks before you go all in on it. If you hate it, you are stuck with it for a minute. Acne and bp from the water retention are biggies for me on it even at low doses.

I cruise at 300 test and know that’s high. Been about a year now. Side free minus initial high blood pressure that nattokainse (your recommendation) and natrual supps more than helped.

 

[Smont]

Seems like a good stack to me. The amounts just come down to how you respond to different compounds and how much you aromatize. For myself I would probably do 300/200/500. Total mg needs is more individual though.

For cruising, I subscribe to the idea that 1-3mg/kg is where it should probably be. 1mg is true TRT (100mg test/wk for a 220lb guy), while 3mg is on the overdriven end where you can run it forever but also expect some health consequences longterm. Ie, 300mg test is usually going to require an AI, or you are using test & mast/primo, and both of those will impact lipids over time. And 200/100 test/deca could have more longterm neurological impact.

2mg/kg (180mg for a 198lb man, 220mg for a 242lb man, etc) is generally excellent to maintain quite a bit of muscle and performance.

There are people that cruise on 4-500mg (or more), but they either need to take a ton on blasts or aren’t trying to get a lot out of blasts (1g won’t do much when you never come off 500).

That's a big thing ppl don't realize. All the ppl cruising on 500 test or 300 test and 300 mast or poping a few random orals when they cruise are taking the fore power out there future cycles, this is how the permablast starts. 158lbs on 750 test/750 primo and 100mg of anadrol to break 175

Haha, maybe I misread, sorry.

No, this time you went too far BBiceps
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[Hyde]

That's a big thing ppl don't realize. All the ppl cruising on 500 test or 300 test and 300 mast or poping a few random orals when they cruise are taking the fore power out there future cycles, this is how the permablast starts. 158lbs on 750 test/750 primo and 100mg of anadrol to break 175

People are scared to come down, but they don’t realize how much you can retain on a cc of test. You may not have the cosmetic pop, but most can keep ~90% of their size & strength often if the cruise is only a few months and not cutting.

What’s telling is there are plenty of guys who take grams of stuff on blast who still only use a few hundred mg tops on cruise. It’s really important to have that stark contrast to get the big transition. High cruise/low blast is a good way to not be able to break plateaus, because what it can cost to enter new territory can be so much greater than what it costs to keep it.