Test + Deca + Mast

[wasabi00]

Getting ready to start my first cycle on top of TRT and would love to hear some experience from the group.

I’m a 45-year-old male, currently on prescribed TRT at 200 mg test per week, and feeling great on it. Labs are all clear and in normal ranges. I’m looking to add some size and planning to run Deca + Masteron alongside the test. From what I’ve read, Deca seems great for steady size and joint support, and Masteron could help keep estrogen a bit more in check. I don’t currently have any E2 issues on TRT.

I already have Deca, Masteron, an AI, and Cabergoline on hand, just trying to make sure I structure this in a smart way. I also don’t want to go huge for my first cycle beyond TRT—more focused on a moderate, controlled approach.
For those who have run this combo before, what ratios have worked best for you?

I’ve seen a few different recommendations like:

1:2:1 (Test / Deca / Mast)
1:1:1

Curious what people here have actually experienced in terms of size, sides, and overall feel.

Would appreciate hearing some real-world experience.

 

[Hyde]

Wouldn’t go 3 compounds right out of the gate, then you don’t know what deca or mast really does for/to you.

I’d just add 200 deca to your test while you move food into a surplus, assuming you don’t have extra test or interest in raising that solo first (I can only assume for hair reasons?). Otherwise first play would just be to see how 400 test goes.

But if you are impatient (or already shedding badly), just go to 200/200 test/deca and see how it goes. That’s twice the mg and the addition is coming from a compound that’s more anabolic per mg as test. If you don’t grow on that, something is off.

Then you can see if you need to add some AI or not, do you get sexual issues, etc. From there, you can always add 200 Mast or what have you later depending on response and need.

It’s a great complimentary trio, but the truth is ratio is just a starting point. It won’t exist for you that way, or scale with mg. You may find you do awesome with deca, and adding something to pull water off would only lessen growth & strength. Or you might feel terrible mentally, or aromatize entirely too much on test and deca, and find you don’t really tolerate it at all. Most people will probably be somewhere in the middle and benefit from having mast in there too at equal or even higher doses than the deca. But you won’t know until you experiment, and that means one change at a time if you want to be sure.

 

[Hyde]

At 300 test & mast with 200 deca, I was still retaining a lot of water. I was pretty big and strong, and my pecker works fine with that much Mast on board, but I really do get every side from Deca and overall the BP increase is pretty substantial compared to the gains for me. I need to use Telmisartan with even 200mg Deca. But I can take 1,200mg of other things combined with no need for BP meds.

 

[wasabi00]

Wouldn’t go 3 compounds right out of the gate, then you don’t know what deca or mast really does for/to you.

I’d just add 200 deca to your test while you move food into a surplus, assuming you don’t have extra test or interest in raising that solo first (I can only assume for hair reasons?). Otherwise first play would just be to see how 400 test goes.

But if you are impatient (or already shedding badly), just go to 200/200 test/deca and see how it goes. That’s twice the mg and the addition is coming from a compound that’s more anabolic per mg as test. If you don’t grow on that, something is off.

Then you can see if you need to add some AI or not, do you get sexual issues, etc. From there, you can always add 200 Mast or what have you later depending on response and need.

It’s a great complimentary trio, but the truth is ratio is just a starting point. It won’t exist for you that way, or scale with mg. You may find you do awesome with deca, and adding something to pull water off would only lessen growth & strength. Or you might feel terrible mentally, or aromatize entirely too much on test and deca, and find you don’t really tolerate it at all. Most people will probably be somewhere in the middle and benefit from having mast in there too at equal or even higher doses than the deca. But you won’t know until you experiment, and that means one change at a time if you want to be sure.

Hair isn't a concern at all, I have none!

I was just hopeful that Deca would allow me to add more mass and the masteron would help reduce added water

 

[Hyde]

Hair isn't a concern at all, I have none!

I was just hopeful that Deca would allow me to add more mass and the masteron would help reduce added water

They both will do those things. However, if you have no hair you really should just see what more test does, like 400mg/wk - it’s the easiest compound on lipids you can push, great for strength & size/off-season growth, and it’s very easy to manage. You just take as much AI (Exemestane) as you find necessary to keep your chest from feeling spicy, or if you’re retaining too much extracellular water.

It does promote more bodyhair growth than many compounds, but it’s definitely the core drug of bodybuilding.

If you’re not going to order more test, just go test and deca at 200/200 for now. Plenty to grow and get a feel for nandrolone. You can use an AI as needed and eat less sodium for water control. Adding mast to it would make more sense for a second/third cycle where you know you need some water management but also wanted more total mg overall. You don’t need more mg right now for a virgin cycle.

 

[BBiceps]

@Hyde came with some good recommendations, as always, but, if you are new to cycling, I would do Test/Mast instead.

Deca can be hard to deal with, can effect your mood negatively and estrogen can go wild. Mast on the other hand is easy to deal with, gives a positive effects on mood and strength. I would do 400/400 Test/Mast for first cycle and then do Test/Mast/Deca for next cycle, that way it’s easier to deal with the sides Deca can give.

 

[wasabi00]

Really appreciate everyone's feedback. I'm going to get bloodwork done again next week to get an updated baseline. More than anything I'm hearing the feedback that Deca isn't really the place to start. I'll probably bump test to 400 and add 400 of mast to see how things run.

Is 16 weeks the ideal time to run this first experiment?

 

[BBiceps]

Really appreciate everyone's feedback. I'm going to get bloodwork done again next week to get an updated baseline. More than anything I'm hearing the feedback that Deca isn't really the place to start. I'll probably bump test to 400 and add 400 of mast to see how things run.

Is 16 weeks the ideal time to run this first experiment?

I think that’s a good idea, an easy to manage cycle that’s still could add a significant amount of muscle.

I did Test/Mast as my first cycle, gained close to 20lb over 8 weeks and kept 15lb. I used Test/Mast P. I kept it shorter because I wanted to recover (not on TRT at the time) but in your case I would do 12 weeks.

 

[Hyde]

I think 12 is a good length for first blast, especially if you are going to go with 800mg right out of the gate.

I think that’s an unnecessary amount for a virgin run, as you’ll get basically all you can out of 400 test for a first run (certainly 400/200 test/mast), but 400/400 is a good stack in my experience. Just wet enough to not give my joints trouble while lifting heavy, but no AI needed either.