Test Dbol Proviron, would you add anything?

[RusTLad]

Obligatory background info: Age 29, training seriously 9 years, height 6'0, weight 205lbs, body fat 14% (dexa scan). Previous cycles include sarms, prohormones, AAS, GH peptides.

So I'm currently fantasising about my next cycle when the world is back to normal. June 2020 will mark 1 year since I finished my last PCT and I think I'm overdue some gains. Pre cycle blood work is pending. Goal of the cycle is to add size and strength, I've sat at 205lbs since the end of my last cycle quite comfortably with fairly good body composition.

I'm planning on running:
- Sustanon (375-500mg)
- Dianabol (30mg first 4 weeks)
- Proviron (50mg)
- Aromasin (as needed)
- PCT (Nolvadex & Clomid)

Question is, would you add anything to this cycle to add more size & strength? I'm open to all suggestions, additional injectables, oral finisher, hidden steroids of Matchu Picchu etc

 

[CroLifter]

Looks good, it is basically a test cycle with dbol kickstart.

If there was anything else that could be done different, then imho lowering test and adding npp would be on my list. Since nandrolone works mainly through the receptor and dbol works mainly through non receptor mediated pathways (igf 1 increase, estrogen) i believe the 2 would stack well.

 

[RusTLad]

Looks good, it is basically a test cycle with dbol kickstart.

If there was anything else that could be done different, then imho lowering test and adding npp would be on my list. Since nandrolone works mainly through the receptor and dbol works mainly through non receptor mediated pathways (igf 1 increase, estrogen) i believe the 2 would stack well.

Thanks for the response, NPP definitely does interest me. I've flirted with the idea of adding a 19nor compound but I've been slightly put off by the potential for prolactin side effects.

Any experience managing these side effects?

 

[CroLifter]

Cabergoline is heavy artillery. I have issues with prolactin on mk677 and so far i found that estrogen is what determines whether i will only get diminished libido or will i also get gyno flare up.

In other words, if you control your estrogen you shouldnt have gyno issues.

 

[RusTLad]

Looks good, it is basically a test cycle with dbol kickstart.

If there was anything else that could be done different, then imho lowering test and adding npp would be on my list. Since nandrolone works mainly through the receptor and dbol works mainly through non receptor mediated pathways (igf 1 increase, estrogen) i believe the 2 would stack well.

Thanks for the response, NPP definitely does interest me. I've flirted with the idea of adding a 19nor compound but I've been slightly put off by the potential for prolactin side effects.

Any experience managing these side effects?

Cabergoline is heavy artillery. I have issues with prolactin on mk677 and so far i found that estrogen is what determines whether i will only get diminished libido or will i also get gyno flare up.

In other words, if you control your estrogen you shouldnt have gyno issues.

Thats interesting regarding Mk677, I wonder by what mechanism it causes prolactin levels to be elevated. I'll have a read up on that, not the first time I've heard of it.

Fortunately I can get my hands on some pharma Caber but it isn't cheap. Generally I can get my estrogen dialled in pretty easily so that wouldn't be much of a concern. Selling myself on NPP already...

Other than gyno I was slightly worried about elevated prolactin levels causing poor libido (not usually an issue on test & proviron) as well as potential ED although I do have a stockpile of cialis.

 

[CroLifter]

Anything that causes more gh secretion will also pull some prolactin, as both gh and prolactin are produced in the pituitary near the same spot.

Yes you shouldnt have gyno issues if you keep estrogen in check even if prolactin is elevated.

As far as prolactin and libido goes, well... we are all different, but in my case nothing, not even cialis, proviron, test...nothing helps.

Test, npp, dbol, proviron sounds beautiful. From everything i read, when one runs nandrolone, testosterone should be kept lowish.

 

[Hyde]

Looks good to me as is. NPP the last 6 weeks or so would be sweet too if you can get the Caber and want to add something for bulking up.

 

[Hyde]

Looks good to me as is. NPP the last 6 weeks or so would be sweet too if you can get the Caber and want to add something for bulking up.

 

[RusTLad]

Looks good to me as is. NPP the last 6 weeks or so would be sweet too if you can get the Caber and want to add something for bulking up.

NPP is looking popular, if I go this route would you recommend using it as a 6 week finisher rather than the entire cycle? I had considered a 4/5 week Superdrol finisher (because I love Superdrol) but I'm not sure I want to see Dbol and Superdrol in the same cycle, even at opposite ends.

Doseage wise, I'd potentially look at 300mg of NPP & 300mg of Test per week. Thoughts?

 

[RusTLad]

Anything that causes more gh secretion will also pull some prolactin, as both gh and prolactin are produced in the pituitary near the same spot.

Yes you shouldnt have gyno issues if you keep estrogen in check even if prolactin is elevated.

As far as prolactin and libido goes, well... we are all different, but in my case nothing, not even cialis, proviron, test...nothing helps.

Test, npp, dbol, proviron sounds beautiful. From everything i read, when one runs nandrolone, testosterone should be kept lowish.

Good point about the pituitary gland, I hadn't considered prolactin being secreted as a result of GH stimulation. Interesting!

Thankfully libido is not generally an issue for me on cycle however I honestly think libido issues are more mental than physical or biological, stress is the killer for me personally.

Dose wise, if I was looking at 300 mg of NPP, how low do you think Test should be?

 

[CroLifter]

I dunno about the test... i would keep it at 300mg a week or lower if i was going to run this cycle.

That is at least what others like to advocate when running 19 nors. I would want test to be at the very top or a bit above normal range, which in my case would be 200-300mg a week.

 

[Hyde]

NPP is looking popular, if I go this route would you recommend using it as a 6 week finisher rather than the entire cycle? I had considered a 4/5 week Superdrol finisher (because I love Superdrol) but I'm not sure I want to see Dbol and Superdrol in the same cycle, even at opposite ends.

Doseage wise, I'd potentially look at 300mg of NPP & 300mg of Test per week. Thoughts?

Haven’t used it. When I do, I’ll be trying 300mg atop the test I was already using. You have to pin it eod, so however long you think you can commit to that. 4-8 weeks makes sense to me.

 

[AnabolicGuru]

Obligatory background info: Age 29, training seriously 9 years, height 6'0, weight 205lbs, body fat 14% (dexa scan). Previous cycles include sarms, prohormones, AAS, GH peptides.

So I'm currently fantasising about my next cycle when the world is back to normal. June 2020 will mark 1 year since I finished my last PCT and I think I'm overdue some gains. Pre cycle blood work is pending. Goal of the cycle is to add size and strength, I've sat at 205lbs since the end of my last cycle quite comfortably with fairly good body composition.

I'm planning on running:
- Sustanon (375-500mg)
- Dianabol (30mg first 4 weeks)
- Proviron (50mg)
- Aromasin (as needed)
- PCT (Nolvadex & Clomid)

Question is, would you add anything to this cycle to add more size & strength? I'm open to all suggestions, additional injectables, oral finisher, hidden steroids of Matchu Picchu etc

I’d add some equipoise or npp/deca if you have enough cycles under your belt. Test as the only injectable just isn’t something I’ve been a fan of, but some people love it by itself for strength and size.

 

[RusTLad]

Haven’t used it. When I do, I’ll be trying 300mg atop the test I was already using. You have to pin it eod, so however long you think you can commit to that. 4-8 weeks makes sense to me.

You raise a very good point! I suspect that I would get quite sick of pinning that frequently! 6 weeks sounds like a reasonable plan to me.

 

[RusTLad]

I’d add some equipoise or npp/deca if you have enough cycles under your belt. Test as the only injectable just isn’t something I’ve been a fan of, but some people love it by itself for strength and size.

Thanks for the input! I've enjoyed my last few Test only cycles but I'm looking for a little extra kick this time round. Then again I've been off cycle for 10 months now so I'm hoping to see big improvements on this next cycle.

 

[CroLifter]

Npp would be my choice as i am personally done with long esters (except for test E as a base).

Pinning eod isnt that much of a hassle. I used to pin 4 times a week all the time when i was self prescribing (50mg test 2x per week and 500iu hcg 2x per week).

 

[RusTLad]

In case anyone was interested, I think I've settled on the below for my next cycle:

- Sustanon (375-500mg)
- NPP (300mg last 6 weeks)
- Dianabol (30mg first 4 weeks)*
- Proviron (50mg)**

* Might also add Anadrol @ 50mg per day for a big kicker to the cycle.
**Might swap this for Masteron as I have both in hand, unsure if I fancy the extra pinning though.

I would like to log the cycle since my last log was derailed by an obscene about of travel for work and relying on hotel gyms and food. I can't see international travel being on the cards any time soon!