test cycle

saugusman

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for a first cycle, do you guys recommend running and anti aramitase with test E, or will it signifigantly decrease my gains?
 
I don't think you should run any anti-e until you think bloat is getting out of control.. If you run it from beginning to end, the almost non-existance of estrogen will likely decrease your gains, yeah..
 
I think you should definately have some letro on hand for week 4 or so when the enan starts to kick in. Depending on how sensitive you are to estrogen you may or may not need it at a low dose. I would say starting at day 30 or so start adding in letro@ .3mg eod....you will stay dry and hard and looking good.....plus you wont gain all that fake (water) weight....
 
ANABROLIC said:
test ran alone during any cycle should be run along with nolvadex.
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Arimidex should be used if bloat gets out of control. Diet is a factor with this.
Nolva should ONLY be used if gyno symptoms occur. A little estrogen and a little bloat are good for gains bro.

And this has been covered many times before.
 
Boss_K said:
I think you should definately have some letro on hand for week 4 or so when the enan starts to kick in. Depending on how sensitive you are to estrogen you may or may not need it at a low dose. I would say starting at day 30 or so start adding in letro@ .3mg eod....you will stay dry and hard and looking good.....plus you wont gain all that fake (water) weight....
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Looking good/dry might be a good for a show but in terms of gains/taking advantage of the test cycle, killing estrogen off isn't wise. Did you not read the thread I posted above?
 
max-rot98 said:
Arimidex should be used if bloat gets out of control. Diet is a factor with this.
Nolva should ONLY be used if gyno symptoms occur. A little estrogen and a little bloat are good for gains bro.

And this has been covered many times before.
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I hadn't refreshed the page... thank you for backing up what I am saying here. It seems no matter how many threads or studys you post.. people just don't seem to listen.
 
max-rot98 said:
Arimidex should be used if bloat gets out of control. Diet is a factor with this.
Nolva should ONLY be used if gyno symptoms occur. A little estrogen and a little bloat are good for gains bro.

And this has been covered many times before.
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i disagree but am not here to argue. i see no point in waiting until you get gyno to fix it if you can prevent it all together. i am a bigger fan of running low dosage nolva 10mgs day througout.
 
It is just the opinion of most here that serms should be reserved for gyno SYMPTOMS and for pct. While serms are beneficial they should be used with caution do to some of the long term effects. Most people can control gyno when they start taking nolva upon first symptoms of it. Some people just don't have problems with gyno so why take it if you are not sure you need it. Check out this thread, it was an eye opener for most. Just so you DR. D is the man that knows probably more than anybody else here and has helped many people here as well so what he says in this thread is not just wild guesstimates from some newbie.

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BTW feel free to disagree. Promotes learning and new ideas. A disagreement doesn't have to turn into an all out war, we are all adults here just be ready to start showing some evidence on why you think you are right. Otherwise you will be disreguarded in a hurry.
 
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