Test-c 150mg a week = a waste of time? What did I get myself into...

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I know a lot of this is unique to the person using, but just wanted to ask a few questions.

At age 40 I looked into why for the past 20 years I have been chronically tired... All the time. Even when i was in the gym 5 days a week, not able to really see huge improvements but looking better than 75% of everyone out there (which is not hard to do of course, everyone is out of shape) I was tired.

Finally, being in a place where I could afford to get to a male wellness clinic, having my blood work done, they (of course) recommended TRT to get me from the lower 500s to the upper limit for test.

They prescribed me 150g test-c per week, taken 3x a week at 50mg doses via injection, as well as slow release DHEA, injectable l-carnatine as well as sublingual cialis 10mg every other day.

I am the type that looks online, and when I get on places like reddit, looks like the 150mg will do "nothing" to help muscle gain and fat burn and general overall sense of well being?

I feel that people are in the extremes most places I look. Either they are legit candidates with total test around 150 or they are otherwise healthy and blasting for short term gains.

That is not me.. I am doing this for wellness reasons, to try and get my 20s back when I was so lethargic that I did nothing with myself... and seeing what I can do now that life is better than it was, if only I was optimized.

So is 150mg a week going to see that much if a difference?

My plan was to get to the six month point where things should be stable, slowly lose some of the fat (I am around 20% now) and then get them to prescribe anavar so I could do a gain phase.

Now I am questioning everything.
 

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ha. I know. I should know better than that.

Still the question remains... this is a standard type of TRT dose. I get it is a long term lifetime type commitment. Okay with that. Just want to get some reinforcement from others doing this for quality of life improvements what they experienced I suppose.
 
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ha. I know. I should know better than that.

Still the question remains... this is a standard type of TRT dose. I get it is a long term lifetime type commitment. Okay with that. Just want to get some reinforcement from others doing this for quality of life improvements what they experienced I suppose.
Well, I'm not on TRT, so I can't speak from personal TRT experience....
But I did reply to a TRT question this morning...


Remember... How you felt and looked at 20 was normal for then .... But it would be abnormal for now.

That being said, I cycle, and enjoy it, and the lifestyle associated with it.
I just don't call it TRT, which is meant to bring one back to normal.

I'm not trying to derail your thread, brother.
.... Just offering my perspective.

:)(y)👊
 

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Well, I'm not on TRT, so I can't speak from personal TRT experience....
But I did reply to a TRT question this morning...


Remember... How you felt and looked at 20 was normal for then .... But it would be abnormal for now.

That being said, I cycle, and enjoy it, and the lifestyle associated with it.
I just don't call it TRT, which is meant to bring one back to normal.

I'm not trying to derail your thread, brother.
.... Just offering my perspective.

:)(y)👊
Okay, read the thread. I get your point.
The problem is, I never knew what "good" or "normal" was. The doc and personal care consultant figures that without proper blood work to back things up, I likely always had low free test and was never able to feel "good."

That is what I want to feel. The brain fog I always had (forgetting where things were constantly, or simple things that need to be done a few hours from now) for example, or the lousy sleeping at night.

Want that to go away. that and the terrible energy levels. I quit caffeine entirely last July 17th and that has not had much effect on feeling like an 80 year old that needs a nap at 2pm or else they doze off driving home at 5pm.

Thanks though, I appreciate the context of what you are saying. Just never felt overall great in my life, from a physical perspective.
 
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Okay, read the thread. I get your point.
The problem is, I never knew what "good" or "normal" was. The doc and personal care consultant figures that without proper blood work to back things up, I likely always had low free test and was never able to feel "good."

That is what I want to feel. The brain fog I always had (forgetting where things were constantly, or simple things that need to be done a few hours from now) for example, or the lousy sleeping at night.

Want that to go away. that and the terrible energy levels. I quit caffeine entirely last July 17th and that has not had much effect on feeling like an 80 year old that needs a nap at 2pm or else they doze off driving home at 5pm.

Thanks though, I appreciate the context of what you are saying. Just never felt overall great in my life, from a physical perspective.
If you're able, trying to find a good Endocrinologist might be extremely helpful (if you don't already have one.

The many different hormones, and their ratio and relationship to one another can be complicated for those who've not been trained it it.

I wish you success, brother!
 
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@Renew giving some good stuff bro.

I blast and cruise (with a cruise dose at 160mg)

from reading your post it wasn’t clear how much blood work has been done? You mentioned bloods but what came back (I.e free test, estro, lipids, kidney health etc)

low 500s isn’t really low for test. Some guys naturally have that level and feel great. To be honest imo no clinic should see that and automatically say trt is the answer

it’s also impossible to know exactly what 150mg will do for you, everyone is different. Some guys need 200mg to be high range (not many but some), lots of guys need less than 150mg etc - you should be getting blood work regularly to dial it in.

as to your question, personally I feel great on my cruise dose (puts me at the top or just over range). It feels normal to me now but I can recall in my early 30s before I got into this I just felt run down often.

but the endocrine system is complex and unless you had low test the trt may not make a massive difference (I personally don’t think you’ll notice a different going from 500 to 900 for example).

my advice would be to really look at all possible causes, thyroid, all hormones, lifestyle etc as your test levels are imo unlikely to be the issue
 
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If you're able, trying to find a good Endocrinologist might be extremely helpful (if you don't already have one.

The many different hormones, and their ratio and relationship to one another can be complicated for those who've not been trained it it.

I wish you success, brother!
^Solid advice here.

Working under the assumption optimal nutrition, adequate hydration, and quality of night time sleep are on point (like using a CPAP if you snore):

Do you know your DHEA and Pregnenolone levels? Those neurosteroids diminish when the testes are shut down from doing the work of producing their own test. So if you aren’t using HCG alongside your TRT to force that endogenous hormone cascade, you will want to get bloodwork and see how much you need to be supplementing with either or both of those to get to feeling optimal. Testosterone exogenously won’t cover those, longterm.

I finally made the decision to cruise between blasting this year because I have surpassed my genetic limits and am losing too much muscle every PCT now - I used 150mg of test e split into 2 shots per week, with 250iu HCG the days prior to test shots, during the cruise and felt better than I have in close to 10 years. My muscle retention post blast was incredible, my gym performance never better for off a blast, and libido and energy significantly better than my already adequate 500s total levels provided between cycles before when recovered. Quality of life was hugely increased. 150mg feels like more than enough! For wellness and not max gains I suspect 120mg would be plenty for me personally.

I still get tired, but I have a newborn and don’t have a CPAP (which I need to do, because if I am snoring I am not getting proper sleep recovery when I do sleep). A friend who is 35 and a gym rat just got one post COVID and he wishes he had years ago. Night and day difference he said.
 
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Whats your free t and shbg lvls?. should just start you with testosterone first..hold off on dhea..why are you taking cialis? 10mg daily is on the higher dose as well
 

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If you are over 40 and suffering from low T, 150mg's will feel like a cycle. At least it does to me.
 

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150mg is a pretty standard TRT dose but don’t expect miracles, you won’t be stage ready if that’s what you expect, you will have a little higher test level than normal but you won’t see too much of a difference if you keep the same lifestyle.

I think it’s something else because low 500’s is not that low.
 
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If you are over 40 and suffering from low T, 150mg's will feel like a cycle. At least it does to me.
140mg is enough for me...anything over starts to feel like a mini cycle
 
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140mg is enough for me...anything over starts to feel like a mini cycle
I stopped TRT last summer. Was getting good physique results only using 100mg's. Had been on a few years, bp was creeping up and a few other issues. Spent the past 10 months detoxing. Strength down and not as full, but overall I'm doing ok. I'm going back on next week. Gonna do 160mg for 12 weeks along with IML Gear for the 1st 4 weeks (which I will log for Prince and co). Afterwards, I'm gonna do 8 weeks of enclomiphene and see where things are. I'm tempted to do 200mg's per week but for me, that will absolutely feel like a cycle. Also, 100mg per week had me at 1200 day after and 700 day of next shot.
 
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I stopped TRT last summer. Was getting good physique results only using 100mg's. Had been on a few years, bp was creeping up and a few other issues. Spent the past 10 months detoxing. Strength down and not as full, but overall I'm doing ok. I'm going back on next week. Gonna do 160mg for 12 weeks along with IML Gear for the 1st 4 weeks (which I will log for Prince and co). Afterwards, I'm gonna do 8 weeks of enclomiphene and see where things are. I'm tempted to do 200mg's per week but for me, that will absolutely feel like a cycle. Also, 100mg per week had me at 1200 day after and 700 day of next shot.
What's your free T?.. that's what matters most
 

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